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Created by: NewDG
Team: 2022-23 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 21, 2022
Published: Nov. 13, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
COL
  1. Monahan, Sean ($3,000,000 retained)
MTL
  1. Ranta, Sampo
  2. 2025 1st round pick (COL)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$79,303,333$25,000$3,775,000$3,196,667
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$908,333$908,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,375,000$3,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 5
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$987,500$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
C
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 8

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Nov. 14, 2022 at 9:18 a.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
You paid a prospect who was picked in the 1st round in 2020 (that's very recent) plus a second round 2024. Don't try to get away with this.

If you're in the game of insulting people about their expectations, maybe you should stay in your comfortable bubble where you're alone and with no one to think differently from your narrow mind.


I’d make the argument that more people are aligned with the view that Monahan for a 1st+ is optimistic than the view of Habs fans on here.

Monahan is on a ~44 point pace while playing 20 mins a night and getting top PP minutes. If he stays healthy and continues to put up points while being deployed in such favorable conditions, I’m sure some team will give him a return. And maybe that team will be as dumb as Florida last season, who knows. But acting like Monahan will get a king’s ransom because he can play NHL hockey again is not the guaranteed take that Habs fans seem to think it is.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
CAR got Pacioretty for future considerations, can I use that as the benchmark for future trade proposals?


Oh well, apparently I just got a 5 minute penalty for fighting with you. Nothing personal. As you said this place is not for the thin skinned but let's try to stay positive and constructive.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 9:34 a.m.
#28
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Quoting: turtlemountain
I’d make the argument that more people are aligned with the view that Monahan for a 1st+ is optimistic than the view of Habs fans on here.

Monahan is on a ~44 point pace while playing 20 mins a night and getting top PP minutes. If he stays healthy and continues to put up points while being deployed in such favorable conditions, I’m sure some team will give him a return. And maybe that team will be as dumb as Florida last season, who knows. But acting like Monahan will get a king’s ransom because he can play NHL hockey again is not the guaranteed take that Habs fans seem to think it is.


I agree with you that it's not a guarantee and it might be on the hopeful side of expectations, but as we know a contending team could pay a hefty price to get a missing piece at TDL. So we'll see. It's only November after all.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
No, you don't get it.

Habs received a 1st to take Monahan's salary. In other words we were paid to acquire him. But this acquisition price has nothing to do with the value of Monahan on the market.


Strike “nothing” replace with “everything”
Nov. 14, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
#30
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Strike “nothing” replace with “everything”


Acquisition cost and current market value are two seperate things. It's a common behavioral bias to associate both of them, like if you buy a stock at $100 and it's current value is now $60 and you're not willing to sell it under $100 because that's the price you paid for it, even though you rationally know the stock will never come back to $100. Buy and sell should be two different drawers in your brain but we, imperfect humans, tend to associate both of them together.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 3:52 p.m.
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Quoting: VladislavTretiak
Acquisition cost and current market value are two seperate things. It's a common behavioral bias to associate both of them, like if you buy a stock at $100 and it's current value is now $60 and you're not willing to sell it under $100 because that's the price you paid for it, even though you rationally know the stock will never come back to $100. Buy and sell should be two different drawers in your brain but we, imperfect humans, tend to associate both of them together.


Take an economics course. Where buy and sell prices meet is the market price.
Nov. 14, 2022 at 3:55 p.m.
#32
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Take an economics course. Where buy and sell prices meet is the market price.


That's what I was trying to explain. Current market value is when the bid and ask meet. Acquisition cost (i.e., how much you paid for it in the past) has nothing to do with the current bid and ask.
 
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