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Created by: Terry_AkiSauce
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 15, 2022
Published: Nov. 15, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Schenn, Luke
VAN
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
2.
TOR
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel
STL
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Niemelä, Topi
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Johansson, Marcus
WSH
  1. 2024 4th round pick (TOR)
  2. 2025 4th round pick (TOR)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$82,392,913$212,500$0$107,087
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Bunting, Michael
$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Buchnevich, Pavel
$5,800,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Robertson, Nicholas
$796,667
LW
RFA - 2
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Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Johansson, Marcus
$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Aston-Reese, Zach
$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Kämpf, David
$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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Järnkrok, Calle
$2,100,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Rielly, Morgan
$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Murray, Matt
$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Sandin, Rasmus
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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Samsonov, Ilya
$1,800,000
G
RFA - 1
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Schenn, Luke
$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Benn, Jordie
$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Simmonds, Wayne
$900,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Nov. 15, 2022 at 3:21 a.m.
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mokumboi
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Not a chance, but I'll assume you know that.
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 3:35 a.m.
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Canucks reject, awful trade
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 6:51 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Not a chance, but I'll assume you know that.


Your response to anything eh?
Nov. 15, 2022 at 7:27 a.m.
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Not close for Buch at all, your missing another first and another good prospect
Blues might not even trade him then
Also Id’ be kerfoot not engvall
Nov. 15, 2022 at 8:18 a.m.
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buch is not gonna be traded. the term and aav is really good and yall dont have the assets to get him
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 9:02 a.m.
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Canucks reject, awful trade


youre not getting more than a 3rd for schenn lmao
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 9:06 a.m.
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youre not getting more than a 3rd for schenn lmao


And who are you?
Nov. 15, 2022 at 9:07 a.m.
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Danny Mr. GM Briere
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And who are you?


i will come back to this at the TDL dw
Nov. 15, 2022 at 9:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Your response to anything eh?


In his defense, this one is a really terrible trade for the Blues.
Nov. 15, 2022 at 10:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Your response to anything eh?


Anything overtly ludicrous, yes. Why, do you actually imagine the Blues will trade Buch? Let alone for a weak offer? This is a no-brainer, dude.
Nov. 15, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
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youre not getting more than a 3rd for schenn lmao


Shouldn't get a 4th
Nov. 15, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Anything overtly ludicrous, yes. Why, do you actually imagine the Blues will trade Buch? Let alone for a weak offer? This is a no-brainer, dude.


I'm not saying this is a fair deal, but your response to everything is that it's not enough. You want a top top prospect and 2 firsts for ROR no matter how bad he's playing
Nov. 15, 2022 at 11:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
I'm not saying this is a fair deal...

You want a top top prospect and 2 firsts for ROR no matter how bad he's playing


1- Then what exactly is the point of your comment? I call **** trades ****. And that is a hopping business around here, to say the least.

2 - Where do you imagine I said anything even remotely resembling this?
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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i will come back to this at the TDL dw


Sound mate
Nov. 15, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Anything overtly ludicrous, yes. Why, do you actually imagine the Blues will trade Buch? Let alone for a weak offer? This is a no-brainer, dude.


A first round pick and top 10-15 d prospect (not to mention RHD) is a weak offer lmao. Maybe it's not exactly enough but calling it a weak offer is a joke, you should make your own ACGMs instead of just ripping other peoples, this isn't far off
Nov. 15, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: dickie_boon
buch is not gonna be traded. the term and aav is really good and yall dont have the assets to get him


How do we not have the assets? I could add two more firsts, Robertson and Knies if I wanted to. Stupid comment
Nov. 15, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.
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A first round pick and top 10-15 d prospect (not to mention RHD) is a weak offer lmao. Maybe it's not exactly enough but calling it a weak offer is a joke, you should make your own ACGMs instead of just ripping other peoples, this isn't far off


A late 1st and a microscopic Dman who is in no way a top 10-15 D prospect (bruh... c'mon) plus a cap dump for Buch is a weak ass offer, yes. Duh. Is this some sort of shock to you?
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
A first round pick and top 10-15 d prospect (not to mention RHD) is a weak offer lmao. Maybe it's not exactly enough but calling it a weak offer is a joke, you should make your own ACGMs instead of just ripping other peoples, this isn't far off


Buch is a point per game guy with 3 years of term at a more than reasonable 5.8 Mil cap hit, he's going to get more than that should St. Louis look to trade him. It's a weak offer for what St. Louis would actually consider/accept.
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Nov. 15, 2022 at 12:31 p.m.
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1- Then what exactly is the point of your comment? I call **** trades ****. And that is a hopping business around here, to say the least.

2 - Where do you imagine I said anything even remotely resembling this?


I haven't seen you do anything but say no to every offer. Even other St Louis fans say you're asking too much.
Nov. 15, 2022 at 12:58 p.m.
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I haven't seen you do anything but say no to every offer. Even other St Louis fans say you're asking too much.


1 - You're either having selective memory or you're just not seeing everything. Just yesterday, I said an offer (I think it was for Barbashev) was in the neighborhood. Either way, look at the selection of trade offerings I'm dealing with. The overwhelming majority of trades on here are either made with no regard to the other team's cap, made with no regard to the other team's needs, made with no regards to the other team's competitive status or just downright delusional in value.

2 - Now you're just lying through your teeth. Not only have I never once posted an ask for Buch (or Tarasenko or ROR or Parayko or or or... ), but no Blues fans have said any such thing to me.
Nov. 15, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
1 - You're either having selective memory or you're just not seeing everything. Just yesterday, I said an offer (I think it was for Barbashev) was in the neighborhood. Either way, look at the selection of trade offerings I'm dealing with. The overwhelming majority of trades on here are either made with no regard to the other team's cap, made with no regard to the other team's needs, made with no regards to the other team's competitive status or just downright delusional in value.

2 - Now you're just lying through your teeth. Not only have I never once posted an ask for Buch (or Tarasenko or ROR or Parayko or or or... ), but no Blues fans have said any such thing to me.


Typical response, guy wants astronomical returns and when everyone says that guys is out of his mind, everyone else is lying. Fake news right?
Nov. 15, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Typical response, guy wants astronomical returns and when everyone says that guys is out of his mind, everyone else is lying. Fake news right?


What are you babbling about now? For the THIRD time now, feel free to show everyone ONE astronomical return I asked for. Or ONE time "Blues fans" or "everyone" said I was out of my mind for a trade ask.

ONE.

I dare you.
Nov. 15, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
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-Holl is probably equal to Schenn in terms of talent/production. Why are you giving up a 3rd at the deadline to save a few bucks here? At the deadline, the difference in AAV between Holl & Schenn would only save you about $400K against the cap; there are cheaper ways to get that cap hit covered than a 3rd round pick.

-St. Louis easily rejects. Buchnevich has basically been a PPG player the past two seasons and is extremely affordable at $5.8M through 2024-25. I'm guessing the ask would *start* with a 2023 1st and Matt Knies, and Toronto would still add from there.

-Kinda feel like the Caps would jump on this, and probably offer you retention to boot. The injury history is enough to make me want to pass on this deal if I'm the Leafs, though.
Nov. 15, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
A late 1st and a microscopic Dman who is in no way a top 10-15 D prospect (bruh... c'mon) plus a cap dump for Buch is a weak ass offer, yes. Duh. Is this some sort of shock to you?


Niemela is the 10th ranked D prospect by DailyFaceoff, 26th skater prospect by TheHockeyWriters, 7th ranked D prospect on TSN (I'm aware he's not this good), etc.

Engvall isn't a cap dump, since when is 15 goals for 2M a cap dump lol

Enjoy missing the playoffs
Nov. 15, 2022 at 3:13 p.m.
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-Holl is probably equal to Schenn in terms of talent/production. Why are you giving up a 3rd at the deadline to save a few bucks here? At the deadline, the difference in AAV between Holl & Schenn would only save you about $400K against the cap; there are cheaper ways to get that cap hit covered than a 3rd round pick.

-St. Louis easily rejects. Buchnevich has basically been a PPG player the past two seasons and is extremely affordable at $5.8M through 2024-25. I'm guessing the ask would *start* with a 2023 1st and Matt Knies, and Toronto would still add from there.

-Kinda feel like the Caps would jump on this, and probably offer you retention to boot. The injury history is enough to make me want to pass on this deal if I'm the Leafs, though.


Schenn is more physical than Holl and Dubas has mentioned a few times he wants a more physical guy on the backend, cap saving might be crucial

Buch has only had one ppg season and his on ice shooting % was nearly 15%, we're seeing the regression already, he's a top 6 winger, not some elite star
 
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