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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 16, 2022
Published: Nov. 16, 2022
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The Leafs need to find a permanent solution to their LW in the top 6. Bunting is good but could be improved on. Also, Kerfoot is a good player but not the right fit for the 2nd line LW spot. As for D, not sure that can be fixed on the market but clearly need something more come playoff time. If Muzzin is able to comeback for the playoffs, all the better (maybe.. I think he's done and should stay done).
Hate to trade Robertson but to get a guy like O'Rielly is worth it. I'm not sure where Robertson fits in this lineup moving forward.

Send the hate. Also, prices . . . obviously who knows but generally I think those are reasonable considering the years those players are having. The Kerfoot move might return a 4th instead and the aquiring team might include a 3rd team for retention but that isn't a factor here.
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TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SJS)
2.
TOR
  1. Gavrikov, Vladislav ($1,400,000 retained)
CBJ
  1. Abramov, Mikhail
  2. Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (SJS)
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TOR
  1. O'Reilly, Ryan ($3,375,000 retained)
STL
  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
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G
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RD
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
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UFA - 1
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G
UFA - 1
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LD
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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LD
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:40 a.m.
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Switch a third rounder to a first and the jackets consider. Can also take back a bad expiring contract
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:43 a.m.
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You said "The Leafs need to find a permanent solution to their LW in the top 6", there's no guarantee that O'Reilly would stay around, he would need to take no more than 5mx5, but probably something more like 4.25mx6 which is a major discount, it would put his career earnings to 100m before taxes but that doesn't mean he would be willing.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:45 a.m.
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Nope.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:46 a.m.
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Quoting: SK101
Switch a third rounder to a first and the jackets consider. Can also take back a bad expiring contract


Leafs don't really have a bad expiring contract, and they wouldn't give that much up for Gavrikov, I think Dubas would give two 2nds worth at most, which means he might not land Gavrikov. Perhaps he offers a 2025 1st+2023 4th + prospect but doubt it.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:50 a.m.
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The trades are a bit light for the other teams. Ultimately the Leafs are the buyers.

1. Not sure NASH has the cap or wants UFA to be, but a high round 3rd MIGHT be enough
2. Gavi with retention is probably more than two mid level (at best) prospects and two 3rds. I think Steeves (instead of SDA) and/or a 2nd (instead of a 3rd) would be needed. Like Steeves, a 2nd and a 3rd might do it.
3. I think Robertsons value isnt high enough and the 1st is lower round, and thats a lot of retention, I think you'd have to add a fairly substantial piece (a 2nd, or a top 5 prospect, or Sandin)

Just not sure its enough or what the team needs, that bottom 6 still looks weak and goaltending is still a question mark
Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:50 a.m.
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Nope.


You might not like it and Armstrong probably ask for Knies even if it means not getting a 1st, but if O'Reilly does continue at this pace and the Blues decide to move him, 2023 1st+Robertson+Kerfoot (I think he would be included) would be a the starting point for a competitive offer, it may get beat but it would be competitive.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:54 a.m.
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Sorry I don't understand your narrative " The Leafs need to find a permanent solution to their LW in the top 6." Moving Tavares to LW for the season and having a rental centre ROR certainly isn't a permanent solution.
I really don't like the trades. LHD isn't a big need for the Leafs. And certainly right now do the Leafs want to give up anything for the current edition of ROR.
Gavrikov and ROR, for Kerfoot, Robertson, SAD, a first and two thirds, Seems like a waste of futures for minimal upgrade IMO
Nov. 16, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.
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Leafs don't really have a bad expiring contract, and they wouldn't give that much up for Gavrikov, I think Dubas would give two 2nds worth at most, which means he might not land Gavrikov. Perhaps he offers a 2025 1st+2023 4th + prospect but doubt it.


I could see that maybe working if the jackets don’t get any other offers with a first included. Maybe throw in kerfoot
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 10:11 a.m.
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You might not like it and Armstrong probably ask for Knies even if it means not getting a 1st, but if O'Reilly does continue at this pace and the Blues decide to move him, 2023 1st+Robertson+Kerfoot (I think he would be included) would be a the starting point for a competitive offer, it may get beat but it would be competitive.


Continue at what pace? The one where he as 2g 2a in the last four games? It's not a competitive offer, you glossed right over the retention part. And the part where the Blues are not a Quickie Mart for teams to pick clean like a carcass. Folks need to reel it in.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 10:22 a.m.
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The trades are a bit light for the other teams. Ultimately the Leafs are the buyers.

3. I think Robertsons value isnt high enough and the 1st is lower round, and thats a lot of retention, I think you'd have to add a fairly substantial piece (a 2nd, or a top 5 prospect, or Sandin)

Just not sure its enough or what the team needs, that bottom 6 still looks weak and goaltending is still a question mark


I think 2-2.5m of the retention would essentially need to be free, if O'Reilly is continues at a 30-40 pt pace (he's currently just under 30), Nick Foligno was at a 30 pt pace when he was traded to Toronto for a 1st+two 4th with 2.75m retention. O'Reilly is better and has a selke and conn smythe so that will build up his value, but trading him off as a 1C would be a hard sell, so it's probably as a 2C at best or a solid 3C with those accolades. Giordano cost them two 2nds for his value as a player, he won the Norris same year as O'Reilly won the Conn Smythe+Selke, imo the 3rd was for the 3.375m retention+Blackwell. So, I think that puts O'Reilly with retention at a 1st+two 2nds + two 4ths + whatever winning the cup+conn smythe raises his value by, he's younger than Foligno/Giordano too.

So, something like 2023 1st + Robertson (>2nd) + Kerfoot (3rd) would be a solid start imo, OP used Kerfoot for assets for the Gavrikov but I agree with you that package isn't enticing at all for them, I think they would want a two 2nds+4th or 1st+3rd for Gavrikov. The 1st being a late one isn't going to be much of an issue since every contender looking to add O'Reilly have late 1st and historically, the Leafs 1st has been one of the more earlier of the late picks. There could always be conditions on picks based on team performance+O'Reilly performance to net them another 1st conditional 2024/25 pick that upgrades to a 1st if the Leafs make it to the Conf. Finals, Finals, or win the cup.
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.
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Continue at what pace? The one where he as 2g 2a in the last four games? It's not a competitive offer, you glossed right over the retention part. And the part where the Blues are not a Quickie Mart for teams to pick clean like a carcass. Folks need to reel it in.


He's at a 30 pt pace, he probably gets it up to 50-60pt pace at most, but he may not. I didn't gloss over the retention, it's going to be required if they want to move him. I also said that 2023 1st+Robertson+Kerfoot would be a solid start for a competitive offer. Below is kind of how I see O'Reilly at his current pace assuming he gets it up to the 30-40 pace at most. Basically started off at Foligno and tried to build up his value from their.

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I think 2-2.5m of the retention would essentially need to be free, if O'Reilly is continues at a 30-40 pt pace (he's currently just under 30), Nick Foligno was at a 30 pt pace when he was traded to Toronto for a 1st+two 4th with 2.75m retention. O'Reilly is better and has a selke and conn smythe so that will build up his value, but trading him off as a 1C would be a hard sell, so it's probably as a 2C at best or a solid 3C with those accolades. Giordano cost them two 2nds for his value as a player, he won the Norris same year as O'Reilly won the Conn Smythe+Selke, imo the 3rd was for the 3.375m retention+Blackwell. So, I think that puts O'Reilly with retention at a 1st+two 2nds + two 4ths + whatever winning the cup+conn smythe raises his value by, he's younger than Foligno/Giordano too.

So, something like 2023 1st + Robertson (>2nd) + Kerfoot (3rd) would be a solid start imo, OP used Kerfoot for assets for the Gavrikov but I agree with you that package isn't enticing at all for them, I think they would want a two 2nds+4th or 1st+3rd for Gavrikov. The 1st being a late one isn't going to be much of an issue since every contender looking to add O'Reilly have late 1st and historically, the Leafs 1st has been one of the more earlier of the late picks. There could always be conditions on picks based on team performance+O'Reilly performance to net them another 1st conditional 2024/25 pick that upgrades to a 1st if the Leafs make it to the Conf. Finals, Finals, or win the cup.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 10:49 a.m.
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He's at a 30 pt pace, he probably gets it up to 50-60pt pace at most, but he may not. I didn't gloss over the retention, it's going to be required if they want to move him. I also said that 2023 1st+Robertson+Kerfoot would be a solid start for a competitive offer. Below is kind of how I see O'Reilly at his current pace assuming he gets it up to the 30-40 pace at most. Basically started off at Foligno and tried to build up his value from their.


I know people would love to cherry pick the worst handful of games a player has had over a long career and set that as the pace or value, but that's just not how this works. The 1st is still late, Robertson still isn't very enticing to the Blues and adding Kerfoot with retention is basically paying ROR money for Kerfoot. Everybody wants to offer up the pieces they can do without and assign them full value, but take ROR at a discount because three weeks. Again, not how it works. And that's before we even get to the part where, ya know, the Blues are very much still using him for their own competitive purposes. People are getting way ahead of themselves on every level. Frankly, I don't think ROR would be the player Toronto splurges on anyway.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 10:49 a.m.
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Switch a third rounder to a first and the jackets consider. Can also take back a bad expiring contract


They'd be the only ones considering.

Gavrikov is awful this season.
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.
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I know people would love to cherry pick the worst handful of games a player has had over a long career and set that as the pace or value, but that's just not how this works. The 1st is still late, Robertson still isn't very enticing to the Blues and adding Kerfoot with retention is basically paying ROR money for Kerfoot. Everybody wants to offer up the pieces they can do without and assign them full value, but take ROR at a discount because three weeks. Again, not how it works. And that's before we even get to the part where, ya know, the Blues are very much still using him for their own competitive purposes. People are getting way ahead of themselves on every level. Frankly, I don't think ROR would be the player Toronto splurges on anyway.


I don't think ROR won't have any value he's more than likely to end the season with 50-60 pts, he had 60 last year, I think he then gets considered a 2C rather than a 1C. I also agree that Toronto isn't going to splurge, so their 1st (team acquiring him will be late and Toronto doesn't have a history of going deep) + Robertson + Kerfoot (still a useful player to the Blues if they are in competition) is what they would add as the major value part of the deal probably a 2nd (that turns to a 1st) and a B-prospect, again nothing that's immediately enticing for the Blues, but it can still be competitive. They are obviously going to ultimately take the best or most enticing offer that they get.

The prized C that could be available is going to be Horvat, then O'Reilly, since Toews likely be limited to 2 or 3 teams which may or may not include Toronto.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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Gavrikov is awful this season.


Seems like an unpopular opinion, which aspect is he worse in this year vs last?
Nov. 16, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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Seems like an unpopular opinion, which aspect is he worse in this year vs last?


Dom @ the Athletic released his first set of rankings this week and GSVA has not been kind to him at all - I know analytics are kind of a crapshoot in a sub-20 game sample size, but Gavrikov literally has the worst GSVA of every D who's played at least 10 GP. At even strength, he's getting caved in, with the Jackets only getting 41% of the chances with him on the ice. He's been somewhat lucky, too - the team's on-ice shooting percentage at even strength for him has been 12%, which makes the threat of regression to the mean a little more damning for his game.

Again: 15 game sample size, so take it with however many grains of salt you need. But looks like he's been lucky and still put up pretty bad numbers.
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 11:57 a.m.
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I don't think ROR won't have any value he's more than likely to end the season with 50-60 pts, he had 60 last year, I think he then gets considered a 2C rather than a 1C. I also agree that Toronto isn't going to splurge, so their 1st (team acquiring him will be late and Toronto doesn't have a history of going deep) + Robertson + Kerfoot (still a useful player to the Blues if they are in competition) is what they would add as the major value part of the deal probably a 2nd (that turns to a 1st) and a B-prospect, again nothing that's immediately enticing for the Blues, but it can still be competitive. They are obviously going to ultimately take the best or most enticing offer that they get.

The prized C that could be available is going to be Horvat, then O'Reilly, since Toews likely be limited to 2 or 3 teams which may or may not include Toronto.


O'Reilly's measure isn't covered by points alone. And in matchups, ROR remains a 1C. Kerfoot to the Blues would be a nice luxury 3rd line winger. So swapping ROR for Kerfoot while keeping the same cap hit does not help any team trying to compete. That's a downgrade while still paying for the cornerstone piece you lost, so you can't afford to find a new C. Anyone who wants to acquire an ROR has to serve the needs of the team they want to take him from. It's not just "here's the value and that's it". The Blues have wingers coming out of their ears. This package is not enticing for them.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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O'Reilly's measure isn't covered by points alone. And in matchups, ROR remains a 1C. Kerfoot to the Blues would be a nice luxury 3rd line winger. So swapping ROR for Kerfoot while keeping the same cap hit does not help any team trying to compete. That's a downgrade while still paying for the cornerstone piece you lost, so you can't afford to find a new C. Anyone who wants to acquire an ROR has to serve the needs of the team they want to take him from. It's not just "here's the value and that's it". The Blues have wingers coming out of their ears. This package is not enticing for them.


Kerfoot is a 3C technically, he's not gifted in the circle at all but it is what it is. He only plays wing in the top 6, otherwise he's typically the C if he's on line 3. He's also the C on PP2 and PK2, although with Jarnkrok on the Leafs roster it can vary.

I don't see Blues trading ROR unless 1) contract negotiations aren't going too well and 2) the Blues are more of a long-shot to make the playoffs, if they are pretty close or in and still willing to move him, then for sure it would require a more significant piece going their way, someone like Knies over Robertson if it's the Leafs who are trading for him. So, the context of in which he's being dealt is important too, I was just assuming that the assumption here is that they are out, looking in. Even then, the offer I suggested could easily get outbid, I'm not denying that at all.

Unless a certain player is known to be a teams target or is going to have 10+ teams binding for him, I tend to lean more towards the buyers when evaluating a "realistic" mock trade or offer because the team selling is always going to take the perceived best offer for them.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 12:21 p.m.
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You said "The Leafs need to find a permanent solution to their LW in the top 6", there's no guarantee that O'Reilly would stay around, he would need to take no more than 5mx5, but probably something more like 4.25mx6 which is a major discount, it would put his career earnings to 100m before taxes but that doesn't mean he would be willing.


I would agree. I don't think there is an option for permanent LW out there this season at the moment. I think Ryan O'Rielly will return to decent form and the TML don't need his scoring. They need a great 3C or 2C to allow Tavares to play C/LW. It gives more options in the top 6 and bottom 6, and not just offensive options.
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Kerfoot is a 3C technically, he's not gifted in the circle at all but it is what it is. He only plays wing in the top 6, otherwise he's typically the C if he's on line 3. He's also the C on PP2 and PK2, although with Jarnkrok on the Leafs roster it can vary.

I don't see Blues trading ROR unless 1) contract negotiations aren't going too well and 2) the Blues are more of a long-shot to make the playoffs, if they are pretty close or in and still willing to move him, then for sure it would require a more significant piece going their way, someone like Knies over Robertson if it's the Leafs who are trading for him. So, the context of in which he's being dealt is important too, I was just assuming that the assumption here is that they are out, looking in. Even then, the offer I suggested could easily get outbid, I'm not denying that at all.

Unless a certain player is known to be a teams target or is going to have 10+ teams binding for him, I tend to lean more towards the buyers when evaluating a "realistic" mock trade or offer because the team selling is always going to take the perceived best offer for them.


I thought I saw his name out there that the Blues were entertaining offers.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 12:25 p.m.
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Kerfoot is a 3C technically, he's not gifted in the circle at all but it is what it is. He only plays wing in the top 6, otherwise he's typically the C if he's on line 3. He's also the C on PP2 and PK2, although with Jarnkrok on the Leafs roster it can vary.

I don't see Blues trading ROR unless 1) contract negotiations aren't going too well and 2) the Blues are more of a long-shot to make the playoffs, if they are pretty close or in and still willing to move him, then for sure it would require a more significant piece going their way, someone like Knies over Robertson if it's the Leafs who are trading for him. So, the context of in which he's being dealt is important too, I was just assuming that the assumption here is that they are out, looking in. Even then, the offer I suggested could easily get outbid, I'm not denying that at all.

Unless a certain player is known to be a teams target or is going to have 10+ teams binding for him, I tend to lean more towards the buyers when evaluating a "realistic" mock trade or offer because the team selling is always going to take the perceived best offer for them.


1 - The Blues already have a 3C (and an overloaded PP and PK C chart), and honestly I just think Kerfoot is somewhat better on the wing than he is in the middle.

2- Fair enough. I don;t see the Leafs as a good trading partner for the Blues right now. The needs and wants and viabilities don't really match up from either end.

3 - Realistic is not about setting a raw trade value for player A. Situations matter. This situation is not favorable for what TML fans are asking for. Hoping nobody else makes a worthwhile offer isn't usually the winning strategy.

However, it is a rare treat to have a meaningful discussion with another human, so props for that.
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Nov. 16, 2022 at 12:53 p.m.
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1 - The Blues already have a 3C (and an overloaded PP and PK C chart), and honestly I just think Kerfoot is somewhat better on the wing than he is in the middle.

2- Fair enough. I don;t see the Leafs as a good trading partner for the Blues right now. The needs and wants and viabilities don't really match up from either end.

3 - Realistic is not about setting a raw trade value for player A. Situations matter. This situation is not favorable for what TML fans are asking for. Hoping nobody else makes a worthwhile offer isn't usually the winning strategy.

However, it is a rare treat to have a meaningful discussion with another human, so props for that.


Was a nice chat for sure.

Just one last comment on point 3, I can't really speak to what the Blues would do if they are moving O'Reilly that kind of means there's something going wrong, but what Dubas has shown is that he's not just going to make a splash for a single season, the biggest TDL splash he made was the Foligno or Giordano trade which really isn't much. Like you said earlier, the Leafs are probably not going to splurge on O'Reilly and also that they aren't the best trading partners. So, that why I'm looking at it from the perspective that if the Leafs and Blues were to discuss it what would the starting offer be (the final offer would likely just be more picks or prospects added).

For DeBrincat, I though there would be a ton of teams interested so I looked at proposals through the lens of what CHI would want based off the rumored ask, and obviously a 7th OV is very valuable but I'm still surprised that there wasn't at least a good prospect going their way along with the 2nd and 3rd.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 12:58 p.m.
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I thought I saw his name out there that the Blues were entertaining offers.


Well with the start that they have and the start he has had, they are certainly going to check the market on him especially since similar players like Horvat and Toews could be available down the road too. So far I don't think they had any promising discussion on extension with him either, maybe @mokumboi can give us some insight on contract negotiations news/rumors.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: PeterK
I would agree. I don't think there is an option for permanent LW out there this season at the moment. I think Ryan O'Rielly will return to decent form and the TML don't need his scoring. They need a great 3C or 2C to allow Tavares to play C/LW. It gives more options in the top 6 and bottom 6, and not just offensive options.


Tavares doesn't need to play on the wing, getting him to have a great 3C would make a ton of sense even as a pure rental, but to put him or Tavares on the wing would just be a waste imo.
Nov. 16, 2022 at 1:41 p.m.
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Well with the start that they have and the start he has had, they are certainly going to check the market on him especially since similar players like Horvat and Toews could be available down the road too. So far I don't think they had any promising discussion on extension with him either, maybe mokumboi can give us some insight on contract negotiations news/rumors.


If I recall correctly, they've had some decent starter talks and ROR wants to put that stuff on hold to focus on the season. His comments this week may shed light into his view of the whole situation.
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