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EK65

Created by: Terry_AkiSauce
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 18, 2022
Published: Nov. 19, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Kane, Patrick1$2,625,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($3,500,000 retained)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (CAR)
SJS
  1. 2023 5th round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. Kane, Patrick ($5,250,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Sandin, Rasmus
  3. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (CAR)
3.
TOR
    Kane Double Retention
    ARI
    1. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
    2. 2025 4th round pick (TOR)
    4.
    TOR
    1. Schenn, Luke
    VAN
    1. Engvall, Pierre
    2. 2024 5th round pick (TOR)
    5.
    TOR
    1. 2023 4th round pick (COL)
    SEA
    1. Holl, Justin
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$82,500,000$81,967,913$212,500$0$532,087
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    Robertson, Nicholas
    $796,667
    LW
    RFA - 2
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    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 2
    Kane, Patrick
    $2,625,000
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    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 3
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    Marner, Mitchell
    $10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
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    Bunting, Michael
    $950,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
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    Järnkrok, Calle
    $2,100,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
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    Malgin, Denis
    $750,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
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    Aston-Reese, Zach
    $840,630
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    Kämpf, David
    $1,500,000
    C
    UFA - 1
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    Simmonds, Wayne
    $900,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Rielly, Morgan
    $7,500,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    Liljegren, Timothy
    $1,400,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    Murray, Matt
    $4,687,500
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Karlsson, Erik
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    Samsonov, Ilya
    $1,800,000
    G
    RFA - 1
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    Giordano, Mark
    $800,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
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    Schenn, Luke
    $850,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    Benn, Jordie
    $750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
    Kane, Patrick
    $5,250,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1

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    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:10 a.m.
    #1
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    Hawks decline, Sandin doesn't fill much of any gaps for us and Kerfoot isn't useful at all to a rebuilding team
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:13 a.m.
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    Holly horrible for San Jose
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    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    Hawks decline, Sandin doesn't fill much of any gaps for us and Kerfoot isn't useful at all to a rebuilding team


    Kerfoot is just to make money work but could be flipped by CHI after for picks. If Leafs swap third for first? Can never have too many young dmen
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:22 a.m.
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    Heh.
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:23 a.m.
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    Honestly want to hear the thought process behind that SJ trade.

    They move down to rounds in the draft, lose their best player, AND have to retain 3.5 million for the next 5 years?
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    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    Honestly want to hear the thought process behind that SJ trade.

    They move down to rounds in the draft, lose their best player, AND have to retain 3.5 million for the next 5 years?


    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Holly horrible for San Jose


    That contract has five seasons on it, Karlsson is having a good year but let's not act like this level of play will continue for many more years, might not even last the season
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:52 a.m.
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    That contract has five seasons on it, Karlsson is having a good year but let's not act like this level of play will continue for many more years, might not even last the season


    It’s still better for SJ to keep him than trade him for much less than nothing
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    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:58 a.m.
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    It’s still better for SJ to keep him than trade him for much less than nothing


    Will this be the case in 3-4 years? They would likely die for a trade like this if the injury bug comes back or his play declines again
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 1:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    Will this be the case in 3-4 years? They would likely die for a trade like this if the injury bug comes back or his play declines again


    He is a contender for the Norris this season. His contract isn't pretty but no way is SJS retaining 3.5 for 5 years while paying a more valuable draft pick to dump him
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    Nov. 19, 2022 at 1:31 a.m.
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    Horrible, worst one yet by a lot
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    That contract has five seasons on it, Karlsson is having a good year but let's not act like this level of play will continue for many more years, might not even last the season


    Would you trade Tavares with 3 mil retained for a 2022 second round pick? I mean odds are his production will probably decline somewhat in the years to come.
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: Luguber
    Would you trade Tavares with 3 mil retained for a 2022 second round pick? I mean odds are his production will probably decline somewhat in the years to come.


    Tavares hasn't been horrible for the last 3 seasons
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 1:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    Kerfoot is just to make money work but could be flipped by CHI after for picks. If Leafs swap third for first? Can never have too many young dmen


    We have too many young dmen, Sandin won't be valued in that trade by much and neither would Kerfoot so Chicago likely declines. You are better off sending both somewhere else first, getting more assets in draft capital to get Kane as ultimately that is what Chicago would want. They may even be entertained by Robertson + 2023 1st.
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 7:48 p.m.
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    Matthews for Nieto one for one. makes as much sense
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 8:50 p.m.
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    Sharks decline and offer Gregor for Marner and a 2nd.

    Ease off the psychadelics kid.
    Nov. 19, 2022 at 9:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    Tavares hasn't been horrible for the last 3 seasons


    Karlsson was good last year too though. And in the 2019-2020 season
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: The_Rocket
    Karlsson was good last year too though. And in the 2019-2020 season


    Definitely worth 11.5M for 5 seasons good, right? 35 points in only 50 games cause he continues to be injured is certainly worth paying that for
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:09 p.m.
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    Lemme think, I'm San Jose's GM and I get this offer. I can either:

    A: Continue to pay Erik Karlsson $11.5M for the rest of this season and the next 4, with the knowledge that it's likely he misses time each year, but will probably be a 0.5-0.7 PPG RHD for me when he's healthy, and hope that he can be a good mentor for the young players I'll be bringing through the rebuild over the next 3-4 seasons.

    B: Trade my 2023 3rd for a 2023 5th *and* agree to eat $17.5M over the next 5 years to get him off the cap and save $8M/year during a period where, for the most part, cap space will not be as important to my rebuilding squad as it would be if I were contending.

    Hmm, gotta think reallllll long and hard about this one.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    Lemme think, I'm San Jose's GM and I get this offer. I can either:

    A: Continue to pay Erik Karlsson $11.5M for the rest of this season and the next 4, with the knowledge that it's likely he misses time each year, but will probably be a 0.5-0.7 PPG RHD for me when he's healthy, and hope that he can be a good mentor for the young players I'll be bringing through the rebuild over the next 3-4 seasons.

    B: Trade my 2023 3rd for a 2023 5th *and* agree to eat $17.5M over the next 5 years to get him off the cap and save $8M/year during a period where, for the most part, cap space will not be as important to my rebuilding squad as it would be if I were contending.

    Hmm, gotta think reallllll long and hard about this one.


    SJ still gonna be rebuilding in 3-5 years?
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
    SJ still gonna be rebuilding in 3-5 years?


    Logan Couture: turning 34 this season, still owed 4x$8M, 29-team NTC
    Marc-Edouard Vlasic: turning 36 this season, 3x$7M left, 29-team NTC

    And when Vlasic's deal expires you'll have a 33 year old Tomas Hertl with 4x$8.1375M left.

    They're locked into an aging core for *at least* the next 3 seasons whether or not they move EK65. At that point, I hang on to him and wait until there's less term on his deal when you have more options with it. Either he still plays at a strong level and retaining on the last couple years is more palatable, or he sucks and you buy him out and only have 4 seasons of cap penalties. But paying to dump him now when it doesn't put you in a position to accelerate the rebuild doesn't make any sense.
     
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