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Van - Det Horvat sign and trade with Det top 5 protected 1st

Created by: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
Published: Nov. 22, 2022 at 7:37 p.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 142/185 (77%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Detroit Red WingsDetroit Red Wings

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Hronek, FilipDetroit Red WingsNHL-$3,377,297011---1841014--
Rasmussen, MichaelDetroit Red WingsNHL-$1,120,649011---16268--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Detroit Red WingsDET)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Horvat, BoVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,221,622011---1915621--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$4,835,0302246793713
Change$276,324-1-1-1-100
Final$5,111,354 (↑)21 (↓)45 (↓)78 (↓)2 (↓)7139-10-1

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

Coincident TransactionInitial StatusNew StatusCap Hit ChangeRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Stillman, RileyNHLMinor-$1,125,000-1-----------
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Horvat, BoVancouver CanucksNHL-$5,500,000011---1915621--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Hronek, FilipDetroit Red WingsNHL-$4,400,000011---1841014--
Rasmussen, MichaelDetroit Red WingsNHL-$1,460,000011---16268--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Detroit Red WingsDET)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,677,0832347693511
Change$765,000011100
Final$2,442,083 (↑)2348 (↑)70 (↑)4 (↑)511-9101
Canuck fans is this a fair trade?
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Nov. 22, 2022 at 7:41 p.m.
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I could see Yzerman doing this if he feels a couple of his young Dmen are ready to step up and he thinks they are ready to compete
Nov. 22, 2022 at 7:50 p.m.
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Intriguing, but if it is a sign and trade, where Detroit knows they're getting Horvat long-term, I feel it just isn't quite enough? Maybe? Not 100% on how I feel about it. Hronek would be a nice piece for Vancouver's blueline, no question, and a mid first round pick is good, not great, but good. Rasmussen is probably better suited for a 4th line role than a 3rd line role? Or does anyone know better, I don't see Wings games.

The Wings would also be thinning themselves out on D, the right side without Hronek has Seider, Lindstrom, Pysyk, Kampfer.. maybe Lindstrom is a 2nd pair guy, I don't know that either..

There's a tendency to propose larger trades, playing cap gymnastics and such while attempting to balance talent.. so I'll suggest instead of Rasmussen, Detroit sends Andrew Copp, and Vancouver adds a D-man in return, maybe Myers with retained salary if it works.
Nov. 22, 2022 at 8:02 p.m.
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I really see the fit for Horvat in Detroit but I just can't see yzerman giving up Hronek, he's extremely valuable to the team and Thier 1st round pick isn't normally something he starts trading until his team is cup competitive.

Stevie probably waits until Horvat is UFA and makes a push for him...
Nov. 22, 2022 at 9:48 p.m.
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My opinion this would be the best fit for Horvat and the Red Wings as he would step in right away and wear an A and also get out of the tire fire known as the Canucks and the Red Wings are loaded with defenseman prospects so losing Hronek would suck but it’s not like they are losing Sieder or Edvinsson or two of them and most likely they would have to move on from someone on their D to get more scoring anyways and I doubt Horvat will be a UFA in the summer as someone like Boston wants him to replace one of their aging center's long term
The old saying you have to give up something to get something specially when the player is tied with McDavid in goals and is on the same heater he ended last season on and has gotten better every year he’s been in the league and is near a point per game player in the playoffs
Nov. 22, 2022 at 9:54 p.m.
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Edvinsson would have to be in the deal if Detroit want Horvat.
Only way I would if I was Van. You gotta give to get.
Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:08 p.m.
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Edvinsson would have to be in the deal if Detroit want Horvat.
Only way I would if I was Van. You gotta give to get.

Edvinsson isn’t getting traded and not for a 1 for 1 or even Horvat++ type deal, he is too key to the Red Wings taking the next step
Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:10 p.m.
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That’s fair. Its just what I would ask for.
Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:21 p.m.
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That’s fair. Its just what I would ask for.

I’m just trying to stop the Canuck fans - Red Wings fans knife fights on this thread by keeping Edvinsson out of it LoL
Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:45 p.m.
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No from the Red Wings (value fits however)
- Ras has improved each season, and while I don’t think he is a main component for the rebuild, he is the perfect fit for a bottom 6 player (physical, timely scoring, hot streaks) that championship teams look for, while “rarely” being able to fill in top 6. Can’t live up to where he was drafted, but he is not going to be a journeyman for his career. In saying that, he could also be a key piece in a trade similar to this. (Description was for your question on 3rd or 4th line suited, also personally I see him as a perfect LW that takes draws depending on matchup rather than an outright C).

- Hronek as a second pairing D behind Mo has been huge this season. Now that he isn’t a number 1-2 guy, he seems to have settled in. Always had the offense, drastically has increased his defensive game (still has a ways to go). Behind him Detroit gets very thin, and RHD prospects aren’t what’s propping up the prospect pool.

- 2023 1st SY has stated numerous times he wants to acquire picks, not rid himself of them. Obviously that could change, but unlikely to happen based on all things happening this season. Also, although the Wings are looking good, there still is a chance that pick could be very high.

The value is there, but it doesn’t fit at “this cost.” Swap a few things around and it would be hard to turn down. One last thing, Horvat does have some affinity for Detroit. In saying that, he may have a desire to go there which bodes well for Detroit. Not saying that is the case, just a thought.
Nov. 23, 2022 at 12:08 a.m.
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No from the Red Wings (value fits however)
- Ras has improved each season, and while I don’t think he is a main component for the rebuild, he is the perfect fit for a bottom 6 player (physical, timely scoring, hot streaks) that championship teams look for, while “rarely” being able to fill in top 6. Can’t live up to where he was drafted, but he is not going to be a journeyman for his career. In saying that, he could also be a key piece in a trade similar to this. (Description was for your question on 3rd or 4th line suited, also personally I see him as a perfect LW that takes draws depending on matchup rather than an outright C).

- Hronek as a second pairing D behind Mo has been huge this season. Now that he isn’t a number 1-2 guy, he seems to have settled in. Always had the offense, drastically has increased his defensive game (still has a ways to go). Behind him Detroit gets very thin, and RHD prospects aren’t what’s propping up the prospect pool.

- 2023 1st SY has stated numerous times he wants to acquire picks, not rid himself of them. Obviously that could change, but unlikely to happen based on all things happening this season. Also, although the Wings are looking good, there still is a chance that pick could be very high.

The value is there, but it doesn’t fit at “this cost.” Swap a few things around and it would be hard to turn down. One last thing, Horvat does have some affinity for Detroit. In saying that, he may have a desire to go there which bodes well for Detroit. Not saying that is the case, just a thought.

I was thinking of adding Schenn and Höglander or Rathbone but Canuck fans would riot in the streets
 
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