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DET and STL interested in Edmundson

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 22, 2022
Published: Nov. 22, 2022
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Important scouts from both teams are in MTL tonight. Chris Yzerman for Detroit and Pete Chiarelli for St-Louis.

https://twitter.com/StuCowan1/status/1595178636214423553

Both teams are looking for LHD help. Edmundson would fit nicely on each team 2nd pair.
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  1. 2023 1st round pick (DET)
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  1. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
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    Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:09 p.m.
    #26
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    Quoting: Tennisman142
    Army has also signed Leddy and Krug to play top 4 minutes for us. Unless Eddy is a huge upgrade on either of them we won't spend a first. Also there has been no reports from any stl Journalists saying they have been looking for help in upgrading the defense, maybe the bottom pairing but certainly not the top 4 spots. Also we play the sabres tomorrow so probably just have a scout there to see how they are playing


    Edmundson would be an upgrade over both players for the playoffs. We both saw how good he is in the playoffs, helped both our teams reach SCF (you won, we didn't).

    He's a playoffs beast and would help any team going for a cup. And you never have enough defenseman. And at 50% retained, he's only 1.75M

    You're probably right about them being in MTL for tomorrow's game though.
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:14 p.m.
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    There's scouts at every games. It doesn't mean anything.

    It's like seing a cloud and calling an incoming storm.
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    Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Y'all said that about Chiarot last year, y'all were wrong.


    DA isn’t a ****ing moron like Zito
    And no I was right, I said the blues would never pay a first for Chariot, guess what they didn’t.
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    Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: jpsnow13
    There's scouts at every games. It doesn't mean anything.

    It's like seing a cloud and calling an incoming storm.


    This is Yzerman's brother and Pete Chiarelli, ex NHL GM, not any scouts. I watch that list every home game and those are not usual names.

    But as someone stated, Blues scouts were probably there to watch Buffalo play for tomorrow's game against them.
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Could be, but both teams are looking for LHD.


    Detroit is NOT looking for LHD!!

    We have just signed Chiarot to a 4 year deal, Määttä is playing fantastic on the 2nd pair, and we have Walman, Hägg, and Oesterle charing 3rd pair duty. On prospects we have Edvinsson, Johansson, Viro, Buium, Wallinder, McIsaac, Sebrango. Detroit are set on LD for the next 15 years.

    Whoever told you that Detroit was looking for LD lied to your face and you didn't even take 3 seconds to check if it was true.
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    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Yzerman just signed Chiarot, who is a copy of Edmundson, for 4 years X 5M. He loves those kind of defenseman.

    Army gave a 2nd and a 4th for Scandella 2 years ago.


    1 - We all know Yzerman ain't trading his 23 1st, let alone for a maybe 4th Dman who's been hurt a lot the last two seasons.

    2 - Yeah, at the trade deadline, as a top seed in the West trying to scramble to cover the sudden, unexpected loss of J-Bo. Not quite the same scenario.
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    St-Louis gave a 2nd and a 4th for Scandella 2 years ago. A much worse player than Edmundson.

    Edmundson would be an upgrade over both players for the playoffs.


    1 - He's really not. And again... top West seed reeling from the sudden loss of J-Bo at the trade deadline. This is not a good equivalency.

    2 - Haha. Good one. Is Eddy gonna run the PP1? Reel it in, man.
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    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    Detroit is NOT looking for LHD!!

    We have just signed Chiarot to a 4 year deal, Määttä is playing fantastic on the 2nd pair, and we have Walman, Hägg, and Oesterle charing 3rd pair duty. On prospects we have Edvinsson, Johansson, Viro, Buium, Wallinder, McIsaac, Sebrango. Detroit are set on LD for the next 15 years.

    Whoever told you that Detroit was looking for LD lied to your face and you didn't even take 3 seconds to check if it was true.


    Olli Maata is usually a bad defenseman, he'll come back to his normal self soon.

    Edmundson isn't signed for the next 15 years.
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    1 - He's really not. And again... top West seed reeling from the sudden loss of J-Bo at the trade deadline. This is not a good equivalency.

    2 - Haha. Good one. Is Eddy gonna run the PP1? Reel it in, man.


    1 - A 1st for 2 years of Edmundson half retained would be a better investment than a 2nd and a 4th for Scandella.

    2 - Don't know why you're putting Edmundson and PP in the same sentence. Krug could run the PP1 and play 3rd pair at 5v5. Edmundson would be alot better at 5v5 and especially PK.
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Look what MTL got for Chiarot last year. Same player, same price.


    How did that trade work out for Florida?
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    St-Louis gave a 2nd and a 4th for Scandella 2 years ago. A much worse player than Edmundson.


    Buffalo gave him away to MTL for a 4th rounder the month before he was traded to STL you left out the best part LOLfalo
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    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    How did that trade work out for Florida?


    They look like Cup contenders. I doubt they care much.
    Nov. 22, 2022 at 11:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: xercuses
    DA isn’t a ****ing moron like Zito
    And no I was right, I said the blues would never pay a first for Chariot, guess what they didn’t.


    Zito was an analytics darling before that deal but ok. They also paid a 2nd and 4th for Scandella when they could have had him for a 4th a month earlier. If anything screams mismanagement its that sequence of trades from STL
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 12:06 a.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    How did that trade work out for Florida?


    Is every GM trading a 1st for a rental at trade deadline, just to watch his team get eliminated in the first 3 rounds, doing a bad trade? I don't think so.

    They tried to upgrade their team and it didn't work out, just like many others before and many after. Only one team win the cup every year.
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 12:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Is every GM trading a 1st for a rental at trade deadline, just to watch his team get eliminated in the first 3 rounds, doing a bad trade? I don't think so.

    They tried to upgrade their team and it didn't work out, just like many others before and many after. Only one team win the cup every year.


    Its the risk averse capfriendly user mantra. Where nobody trades 1st rounders and GMs never use their cap space for anything but Ondrej Kase at 1 million per year
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 12:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
    They look like Cup contenders. I doubt they care much.


    Ok you completely missed the point. Chiarot wasn't good at all and was partially responsible for Florida's 1st round exit. Florida looking like a cup contender this season has nothing to do with Chiarot. If anything teams will be less likely to give up a bunch of assets for a dman like Chiarot or Edmundson.

    I think you're right about Florida not caring about Chiarot they've put that debacle behind them and are moving forward.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 12:47 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Is every GM trading a 1st for a rental at trade deadline, just to watch his team get eliminated in the first 3 rounds, doing a bad trade? I don't think so.

    They tried to upgrade their team and it didn't work out, just like many others before and many after. Only one team win the cup every year.


    You are right it didn't work out but you have to admit Chiarot was awful in Florida. So there are a lot of Montreal fans using that trade as a blueprint for an Edmundson trade when it's actually more likely other teams use that trade as a cautionary tale to not give up a bunch of assets for a dman like Chiarot or Edmundson. But who knows?
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 12:57 a.m.
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    Detroit isn't a playoff team yet and that 2023 1st will be a lottery pick. So Detroit rather easily passes on Edmundson. Especially since they already have Chiarot for 4 seasons and Edvinsson has looked really good so far in the AHL.

    It won't happen but I'd be willing to trade Chiarot for Edmundson straight up. Starting next season without either of them would be nice.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 3:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    Detroit isn't a playoff team yet and that 2023 1st will be a lottery pick. So Detroit rather easily passes on Edmundson. Especially since they already have Chiarot for 4 seasons and Edvinsson has looked really good so far in the AHL.

    It won't happen but I'd be willing to trade Chiarot for Edmundson straight up. Starting next season without either of them would be nice.


    Has Chiarot been that bad you already want him out?
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    You are right it didn't work out but you have to admit Chiarot was awful in Florida. So there are a lot of Montreal fans using that trade as a blueprint for an Edmundson trade when it's actually more likely other teams use that trade as a cautionary tale to not give up a bunch of assets for a dman like Chiarot or Edmundson. But who knows?


    Hughes didnt just make the Chiarot trade tho It is simply a glaring example of a deal at the extreme end. When ppl say Edmundson wont have a chance at a bounty with absolute certainty they are wrong! That is the point. It is not the rule. No one acknowledges that but so many here like to speak in certain terms so it is simply an easy rebuttal.

    If you want to talk about 'realistic' or 'likely' trades. Edmundson will assuredly go for at least a 2nd rounder plus when they traded Kulak whom was a healthy scratch and 3rd pair D for a 2nd rounder from Edmonton. Edmundson is much a better asset than Kulak, even the most biased person (should) agree.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:17 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Y'all said that about Chiarot last year, y'all were wrong.


    Habs fans are going to live off a trade every panned the second it happened. It's why Bill Zito isn't a good GM maybe? For making mistakes like that?

    Is Yzerman a dumb GM? For sure not. Is Armstrong? I don't thinks so either.

    What about the Anderson for a 1st trade we were promised?
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:41 a.m.
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    Quoting: NJDevils1317
    Habs fans are going to live off a trade every panned the second it happened. It's why Bill Zito isn't a good GM maybe? For making mistakes like that?

    Is Yzerman a dumb GM? For sure not. Is Armstrong? I don't thinks so either.

    What about the Anderson for a 1st trade we were promised?


    Zito is a good GM. Armstrong made the disastrous Scandella deal as spoken minutes earlier. They are no certainties that the Chiarot trade return is a misnomer when it comes to the same type of D on the market in the same environment.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:48 a.m.
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    St-Louis gave a 2nd and a 4th for Scandella 2 years ago. A much worse player than Edmundson.


    It so means they are smarter not dumber.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:51 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Y'all said that about Chiarot last year, y'all were wrong.


    I didn't. I made CFACGM rosters where Chiarot went for a 1st and most fans got angry. I was wrong though because Chiarot got a prospect and a 4th to go with the 1st.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Has Chiarot been that bad you already want him out?


    Chiarot has been excellent for us. 👍
     
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