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DET and STL interested in Edmundson

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 22, 2022
Published: Nov. 22, 2022
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Important scouts from both teams are in MTL tonight. Chris Yzerman for Detroit and Pete Chiarelli for St-Louis.

https://twitter.com/StuCowan1/status/1595178636214423553

Both teams are looking for LHD help. Edmundson would fit nicely on each team 2nd pair.
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  1. 2023 1st round pick (DET)
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  1. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:54 a.m.
    #51
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Olli Maata is usually a bad defenseman, he'll come back to his normal self soon.

    Edmundson isn't signed for the next 15 years.


    Maatta was very good last season for LA and he's been very good for Detroit. You obviously haven't watched him play for the past 2 seasons.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Look what MTL got for Chiarot last year. Same player, same price.


    They aren't the same player at all. 🤭
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Olli Maata is usually a bad defenseman, he'll come back to his normal self soon.

    Edmundson isn't signed for the next 15 years.


    And neither is Maata. Please stop your post on this issue make you look desperate and well sad.

    When people make legitimate and coherent rebuttals, all toy say see we traded Charoit for a 1st and we will get more for Ed. Chariot was having the best year of his life and Ed has been injured and not playing well. But hey he is worth more.

    Wings not trading a 1st for. LHD, sorry understand the team you are talking about. Just blathering is not going to make it true. Charoit and Maata have both played well so far. Could Maata come back to earth sure and Ed could get hurt again.

    Please just stop.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: jpsnow13
    There's scouts at every games. It doesn't mean anything.

    It's like seing a cloud and calling an incoming storm.


    I went to this guys twitter page, just showed a list of scouts at the Montreal /Buffalo game. In no way did he say that Detroit and St Louis were looking for LD help. pretty sure this dude just made that part up.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:01 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    This is Yzerman's brother and Pete Chiarelli, ex NHL GM, not any scouts. I watch that list every home game and those are not usual names.

    But as someone stated, Blues scouts were probably there to watch Buffalo play for tomorrow's game against them.


    I went to that guys Twitter page, he just listed the scouts at the Montreal and Buffalo game. in no way did he list that Detroit or St Louis had any interest in LD. So you're making that part up. Detroit is fine short term and long term at LD.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:06 a.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Olli Maata is usually a bad defenseman, he'll come back to his normal self soon.

    Edmundson isn't signed for the next 15 years.


    Maatta is a solid defensive defenseman, who will occasionally put up some points. So far Maatta is making Filip Hronek much better that he's on pace for 64 points this season. i'll gladly take Maatta over Edmundson who can't even stay healthy. Much alone worth anything to us.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    Maatta is a solid defensive defenseman, who will occasionally put up some points. So far Maatta is making Filip Hronek much better that he's on pace for 64 points this season. i'll gladly take Maatta over Edmundson who can't even stay healthy. Much alone worth anything to us.


    Literally no GM would take Maata over Edmundson. Maata was a cap dump 2 years ago. Maata has 3 goals over the past 3 years, he has no offense, quoting Hronek's stats is some kind of crazy! Edmundson isnt close to the same cap dump that the Kings acquired 2 years ago or the Wings play today.
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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    Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
    Literally no GM would take Maata over Edmundson. Maata was a cap dump 2 years ago. Maata has 3 goals over the past 3 years, he has no offense, quoting Hronek's stats is some kind of crazy! Edmundson isnt close to the same cap dump that the Kings acquired 2 years ago or the Wings play today.


    And yet production wise, Maatta is country miles better than Edmundson.

    Maatta has 2 29 point season heading to a 32 point season with Detroit. And yet Edmundson has one 20 point season and the rest way low. Sorry but yeah i'll take Maatta over Edmundson any day of the year.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:27 a.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    And yet production wise, Maatta is country miles better than Edmundson.

    Maatta has 2 29 point season heading to a 32 point season with Detroit. And yet Edmundson has one 20 point season and the rest way low. Sorry but yeah i'll take Maatta over Edmundson any day of the year.


    Arguing Maata is anything close is simply clownshoes. I've seen discussions whether Gostibehere and Klingberg have as close value to Joel E. but this im out!

    This is the all too familiar Petry and a 1st rounder to Dtown discussion from the Summer.

    You Wings fans are another level of homer crazy
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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:31 a.m.
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    Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
    Arguing Maata is anything close is simply clownshoes. I've seen discussions whether Gostibehere and Klingberg have as close value to Joel E. but this im out!

    This is the all too familiar Petry and a 1st rounder to Dtown discussion from the Summer.

    You Wings fans are another level of homer crazy


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    Nov. 23, 2022 at 9:46 a.m.
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    Detroit just signed Chiarot to a big contract to play LD1, have Maatta/Walman playing serviceable LD2/3, have a trio of prospects that are close to NHL ready playing in Grand Rapids right now (Edvinsson, Sebrango, and Johansson), and, let's be honest, are a bubble team for the playoffs this year. It doesn't make sense for them to pay a 1st this year for a minor upgrade to their 2nd pair LD.

    St. Louis, on the other hand, has Torey Krug & Nick Leddy signed long term to be LD1/LD2. It really doesn't matter what you think about those guys, because they're signed and both have NTCs, so they're not going anywhere anytime soon. It doesn't make sense for St. Louis to spend a 1st to upgrade LD3.

    This is just putting a ton of your own speculation into this without anything to really back it up. The most likely reason that there were that many scouts present is because it's a game between two projected deadline sellers and a great chance to kill two birds with one stone.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 10:13 a.m.
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    Edmundson would be an upgrade over both players for the playoffs. We both saw how good he is in the playoffs, helped both our teams reach SCF (you won, we didn't).

    He's a playoffs beast and would help any team going for a cup. And you never have enough defenseman. And at 50% retained, he's only 1.75M

    You're probably right about them being in MTL for tomorrow's game though.


    Edmundson would not fit with Parayko style wise as Parayko needs a Leddy type of defensemen in transition and to get the puck out of the D-Zone. Maybe with Faulk but I doubt we are trading a first just for Edmundson when we have committed to Krug and Leddy to play the top 4. Most likely any trade we make to upgrade our top 4 will be done in the offseason and will involve moving one of Krug or Leddy.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 11:19 a.m.
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    It so means they are smarter not dumber.


    Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
    Zito is a good GM. Armstrong made the disastrous Scandella deal as spoken minutes earlier. They are no certainties that the Chiarot trade return is a misnomer when it comes to the same type of D on the market in the same environment.


    By what conceivable metric was Scandella a "disaster" for the Blues?
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    I went to that guys Twitter page, he just listed the scouts at the Montreal and Buffalo game. in no way did he list that Detroit or St Louis had any interest in LD. So you're making that part up. Detroit is fine short term and long term at LD.


    I never said he said those teams needed LHD help. I looked at their roster and saw their weakness are on LHD. Didn't make anything up... Mister Grinch...

    I'm not pretending to be an insider or anything. Just a simple hockey fan watching other teams roster and trying to find trading match. Relax dude.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.
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    I never said he said those teams needed LHD help. I looked at their roster and saw their weakness are on LHD. Didn't make anything up... Mister Grinch...

    I'm not pretending to be an insider or anything. Just a simple hockey fan watching other teams roster and trying to find trading match. Relax dude.


    Dude you just said that both Detroit and St Louis are looking for LHD help, Perhaps St Louis is but you're wrong with Detroit. We're 100% not currently looking at LD help and it sure as hell wouldn't be Joel Edmundson.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
    They aren't the same player at all. 🤭


    Both were on MTL roster 2 years ago. I think i can say both are similar players... Both signed for 3.5M with MTL. Both big physical defensive D.

    I mean, maybe one of them like rock and the other prefer country, and you think that makes them different players. But trust me, on the ice, they're very close...
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    Dude you just said that both Detroit and St Louis are looking for LHD help, Perhaps St Louis is but you're wrong with Detroit. We're 100% not currently looking at LD help and it sure as hell wouldn't be Joel Edmundson.


    I wouldn't trust Olli Maata for a playoffs run even as a 7th D.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    And yet production wise, Maatta is country miles better than Edmundson.

    Maatta has 2 29 point season heading to a 32 point season with Detroit. And yet Edmundson has one 20 point season and the rest way low. Sorry but yeah i'll take Maatta over Edmundson any day of the year.


    I mean, Pittsburg and Chicago both dumped him for a late pick or a AHLer over the last 3 years, but he must be a good defenseman right?
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    I wouldn't trust Olli Maata for a playoffs run even as a 7th D.


    LOL Joel Edmundson 1 point in 9 games, Olli Maatta 7 points in 18 games. Sorry i'll take my chances on Maatta. And i'm pretty sure Steve Yzerman know's more about D than you do.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    LOL Joel Edmundson 1 point in 9 games, Olli Maatta 7 points in 18 games. Sorry i'll take my chance on Maatta. And i'm pretty sure Steve Yzerman know's more about D than you do.


    Maataa is an offensive D and Edmundson is a defensive D. Why would you compare both guys points production only?

    10 time out of 10, Edmundson would win a fight, win a puck battle and kill Maatta in the corner. He would win anything physical over Maataa.

    Also, when did i say i know more than Yzerman?
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
    Arguing Maata is anything close is simply clownshoes. I've seen discussions whether Gostibehere and Klingberg have as close value to Joel E. but this im out!

    This is the all too familiar Petry and a 1st rounder to Dtown discussion from the Summer.

    You Wings fans are another level of homer crazy


    That why we rarely see a Detroit or Blues ACGM, their fans are too scared to make one, or don't know hockey enough.

    They rather **** on other people ACGM.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Maataa is an offensive D and Edmundson is a defensive D. Why would you compare both guys points production only?

    10 time out of 10, Edmundson would win a fight, win a puck battle and kill Maatta in the corner. He would win anything physical over Maataa.

    Also, when did i say i know more than Yzerman?


    First off Olli Maatta isn't no offensive Dman he's a defensive Dman he's very sound at his own end. hence why Hronek is having a career year scoring wise for us.

    And frankly i could care less if Edmundson is tougher than Maatta that's not the issue. We're not a playoff team so we don't need a tougher Dman when we already have both Chiarot and Seider throwing the body around

    And i never said that you know more than Yzerman, You are comparing Edmundson to Maatta. And all i'm saying is that Yzerman chose to sign Maatta and not trade for Edmundson.
    Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    First off Olli Maatta isn't no offensive Dman he's a defensive Dman he's very sound at his own end. hence why Hronek is having a career year scoring wise for us.

    And frankly i could care less if Edmundson is tougher than Maatta that's not the issue. We're not a playoff team so we don't need a tougher Dman when we already have both Chiarot and Seider throwing the body around

    And i never said that you know more than Yzerman, You are comparing Edmundson to Maatta. And all i'm saying is that Yzerman chose to sign Maatta and not trade for Edmundson.


    "And i'm pretty sure Steve Yzerman know's more about D than you do."

    Why would you say that then?

    You should stop commenting ACGM and stick to making lineup ACGM.

    You had to change account once because you looked so bad on your comments about the Chiarot trade, maybe you shouldn't do that again this year
     
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