i would personally be shocked if he doesnt get a late first from a contender.

I think it really depends on when a potential trade happens. For instance, if he gets moved at the deadline, and the Sharks retain 50% on him, I would *assume* that the return would be solid and include a 1st. If it's the offseason? That's a different story.

So you still say he’s worth 8 mil, but only pay a second and third for him? Makes no sense. Don’t represent our fan base on this page with that ridiculous trade offer

meier def worth a first, one was traded at draft and tdl is different from draft, prob gon getch at least a 1st and 2nd from a contender at 50% retained.

The Blues have no use or cap for Blackwood, thanks. And that Meier trade ain't it.

Frank is on the hard stuff obviously. This is a ridiculous low ball offer for a near ppg player and a 26 yo on pace for his 3rd 30+ goal season.

The only thing I can think of that might depress his value is the super high qualifying offer coming up in June. In order to retain his rights you have to offer him 10m at the end of this contract. Anyone trading for him would probably want to get an extension locked now, and that might scare some teams off unless everyone's pretty confident that the cap will raise 3-4m like the NHL hopes. And that's assuming Meier is willing to extend, which he might not if he feels the pull of UFA. And I don't think anyone will want to trade for him knowing he could just accept that 10m offer (threatening to blow up his new team's cap) and then walk the following summer.

Otherwise this should be a slam dunk 1st + good prospect trade, maybe even more.

I mean, I can envision a weird scenario where a team that know they can't afford him next year goes out and pays a price for him as a pure-rental and then non-tenders him if they can't get a deal done.

He's certainly a very good player, but that's gotta be the most outrageous QO's that anyone has had in recent memory.

as an offseason trade i could see that, but at the deadline i think he is a lock at a first round pick.

In other news Oilers are open to trading McDavid most reps think his value is "considerably less" than Tkatchuk recieved.

If that's the return, why trade him at all?

I think the return is more than this, but less than a lot of the proposals on this site.

He'll get a first rounder and a solid prospect.

If he came with that extension, I'd swap the 2nd for a 1st.

Just tired of all the Holtz+1st trades. If that's the price for him, it's a pass from me. Pretty over the Meier talk in general, hard to evaluate what the team needs when they're winning 13 straight, but it definitely seems like they can get by without Meier.

3 years x $8 million allows him another bite at UFA apple when he is still in his 20s. It was intended to be similar to Sam Reinhart trade and extension.

And the trade offer is not ridiculous at all.

For this to happen, it would need to be immediately after season...before first arbitration window. If they get past that point, SJS likely elects arb to avoid $10m QO and Meier would be on the hook for only one more year (2023-24) before his UFA and couldn't be extended until January 2024. San Jose wouldn't want to let it wait since it would lessen the return. The acquiring team wouldn't want to let it wait since they would not be able to extend him.

Wouldn't be a deadline deal....would be between end of season and first arbitration window. So that an extension could be included.



I don't think Devils make a big move during season.

100% depends on his contract situation.
I have seen some where they want Holtz, 1st ++ and say he gets $9-10 million in AAV, which is nuts.

I'd do Holtz + 1st if he signs for below $7m.
Holtz or the 1st if he signs for below $8m.
Package above if he wants that contract.

Its not our obligation to rebuild San Jose.

Ur telling me that Foote, who will most likely never be more than a healthy scratch, a third rounder which will likely be no one and same for that second rounder. All that nothingness for a point per game player last year and 18pts in 21games this year. Are you actually serious when you say that offer is fair?? Cmon man I know we are devils fans but you are straight up representing our fan base with disgrace

Every year, every deadline, every off-season, the same thing happens. Everyone excepts these insanely high prices for wingers...and rarely do the actual trades come in that high. For Meier, the trade value depends on his contract situation. This offer is for 2023-24, so its done after this season is over. Just think about the timeline....

Early March -- Trade deadline (SJS may get more for teams that need the extra help for playoffs. But this would not be that scenario)

Early June -- Stanley Cup Playoffs complete

Mid June -- First arbitration window (if SJS does not elect arbitration in June, their only options are extension or qualifying offer. If he doesn't want to extend, its only QO. If SJS does elect arbitration, its 1-year, probably around $8.75 million, UFA in summer 2024 and no extension until January 2024)

Late June -- NHL Draft

Later June or early July -- Qualifying deadline (if SJS does not qualify him, he becomes UFA a few days later. If they do offer QO, its 1-year $10 million, UFA in summer 2024 and no extension until January 2024)

Early July -- Free agency begins (if Meier is not heading for arbitration and has not been qualified, he will be free to sign anywhere)

San Jose is in a tricky spot. Buying teams will want more than one-year out of him, so the trade return will be discounted. If he asks for big money (or wants to get to UFA sooner), the trade return will be discounted.

I listed some of the quotes that people are saying about this situation here.

"With the gigantic qualifying offer due to him at the end of the season, some teams may view and pursue him as a pending UFA instead of an RFA. If he’s to be considered an RFA, his starting value on the market is considerably less than the Alex DeBrincat deal last summer."

"His contract status could also affect whatever return the Sharks might hope to get for him. Interested parties could prove reluctant to pay a big price for a talented winger like Meier if they're to face an arbitration hearing next summer for a player who could depart in a year's time via free agency."

"What can they get in return? I think they have to take a notch below the Alex DeBrincat deal that the Chicago Blackhawks took this summer. Not only was DeBrincat’s qualifying offer less, but you had one more season of DeBrincat on a somewhat reasonable deal, whereas already from the jump, you’re getting Meier as a rental. The Blackhawks were able to get a first-, second-, and third-round pick, but you see No. 7 overall from Ottawa as pretty high up in the draft. you’re probably dealing with teams that are way later in the first round, probably closer to the second-round pick they got from the Sens at No. 39 overall. Then you factor in what happens next, which is that maybe somebody treats him as a pure rental, but then the prices are probably even lower than that. I think it’s an easy warning shot that the Sharks are probably in a really tough spot trying to deal Timo Meier as we move closer to the March 3 trade deadline.”



As for this. I have been around here a while and most frequent Devils fans know me. As do many fans of other teams. I don't think anyone has ever lodged a similar complaint before.

I feel that this trade warrants a complaint. Your previous ones do not, but a point per game player traded for nothing is absolutely absurd

One year of Pacioretty was free (before injury) and he was ppg player. Seattle got a 28-goal scorer for nothing. Chicago got a Vezina winner for free. Philly got 0.80 ppg dman for very little. It’s all about cost and control.

Meier is making $10 million this year, with $6 million cap hit. Maybe $10m / $10m next year. And possibly UFA as early as next summer.

If he wants only 3 years, like Reinhart, and the deal is done after this season, I think the trade is appropriate. If he is willing to sign $6 million long-term, I’d happily offer Holtz, 1st, 3rd. If he wants $10 million+ long-term…I probably wouldn’t give a mid-pick. That is my thinking here. It’s all about the next contract.

All occurred in a flat cap world. Cap is gonna go up next year. Completely different market

Cap was flat, but salaries were up 7%. Players on LTIR doubled. Most of the impacts of flat cap were felt yet.