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Created by: ToneCapone420
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 23, 2022
Published: Nov. 23, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)
  2. Schenn, Luke
VAN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Minten, Fraser
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
  6. 2024 7th round pick (OTT)
2.
TOR
  1. Gavrikov, Vladislav ($1,400,000 retained)
  2. Jenner, Boone
CBJ
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Knies, Matthew [Reserve List]
  3. Voit, Ty
  4. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$82,500,000$81,117,913$212,500$0$1,382,087
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$840,630$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2

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Nov. 23, 2022 at 1:24 p.m.
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Take out Jenner and Knies and lets get these deals done NOW!
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Nov. 23, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.
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Take out Jenner and Knies and lets get these deals done NOW!


LFG, IMO leafs two biggest needs right now is a 3C who could slot in as 2C if something happened to AM34 Or JT and another top 4 d. Gavrikov and Horvat would be my two top targets for them.
Nov. 23, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.
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Columbus isn't trading their captain in the first year of his new extension. I agree with the other poster saying remove him and Knies, but I don't know if Engvall and Voit move the needle much for Columbus, and LA and Edmonton almost certainly beat that offer by virtue of offering a 23 first instead.
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Nov. 23, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
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Quoting: HollywoodHudon
Take out Jenner and Knies and lets get these deals done NOW!


Gavrikov is not remotely good enough to warrant that kind of a return. His advance stats are pretty poor for the past couple of seasons. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him and definitely not a top prospect.
Nov. 23, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Gavrikov is not remotely good enough to warrant that kind of a return. His advance stats are pretty poor for the past couple of seasons. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him and definitely not a top prospect.


OMG NOOOOOOOO NOT THE ADVANCED STATS
Nov. 23, 2022 at 3:08 p.m.
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OMG NOOOOOOOO NOT THE ADVANCED STATS


He gets scored on more than his team scores when he's on the ice. He never possesses the puck and gives up a large percentage of high danger chances. Nothing about his game points to being a player worth this return. Just public perception based off nothing
Nov. 23, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
He gets scored on more than his team scores when he's on the ice. He never possesses the puck and gives up a large percentage of high danger chances. Nothing about his game points to being a player worth this return. Just public perception based off nothing


hahah im just joking around i really dont have any idea how good Gavrikov is I apologize for being a dick, was mostly sad cause Belgium scored on Canada
Nov. 23, 2022 at 3:56 p.m.
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hahah im just joking around i really dont have any idea how good Gavrikov is I apologize for being a dick, was mostly sad cause Belgium scored on Canada


That's fair
Nov. 23, 2022 at 5:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
He gets scored on more than his team scores when he's on the ice. He never possesses the puck and gives up a large percentage of high danger chances. Nothing about his game points to being a player worth this return. Just public perception based off nothing


Yeah that has nothing to do with his deployment or the fact the jackets have been pretty bad the last few years. Iirc jfresh has liked him in the past and he’s shown improvement offensively. He will be one of the better defenseman available at the deadline and is very cheap (can be half retained down to 1.4 million
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Nov. 23, 2022 at 6:11 p.m.
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Yeah that has nothing to do with his deployment or the fact the jackets have been pretty bad the last few years. Iirc jfresh has liked him in the past and he’s shown improvement offensively. He will be one of the better defenseman available at the deadline and is very cheap (can be half retained down to 1.4 million


Ah the old, I don't have anything to back this up but everything you said that is backed by evidence is wrong.
Nov. 23, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.
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Ah the old, I don't have anything to back this up but everything you said that is backed by evidence is wrong.


Yes as opposed to all the evidence you provided to back up your claim
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Nov. 23, 2022 at 6:50 p.m.
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Yes as opposed to all the evidence you provided to back up your claim


Gavrikov doesn't have a single positive metric on natural statrick. Not one
Nov. 23, 2022 at 8:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Gavrikov doesn't have a single positive metric on natural statrick. Not one


gavrikov turns it over a lot and isn't as much of a defensive Dman as Savard was. Peeke is better.
But GMs don't look at those, especially evolvinghockey, who currently says Tatar is a better overall player than McDavid beacause of the D/60 side.
Gav will fetch a 2nd minimum.
Nov. 23, 2022 at 10:28 p.m.
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Yes as opposed to all the evidence you provided to back up your claim

Isn't it fun when someone learns how to read a public stats site and suddenly thinks they know everything about everyone? smile
Nov. 23, 2022 at 10:31 p.m.
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Gavrikov doesn't have a single positive metric on natural statrick. Not one

Yeah, how many of those stats account for teammate quality and therefore truly isolate the player's contribution?

I think... I believe it was none of them?

Seriously, give it up. There are no good public analytics for defensively-focused blueliners. Per said measurements, the only blueliners that are any good defensively are two-way guys who, by Some Miracle Of Happenstance That Totally Has Nothing At All To Do With Team Quality Or Sheltered Minutes No Really I Swear, get to spend all their time in the offensive zone.
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Nov. 23, 2022 at 10:54 p.m.
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Yeah, how many of those stats account for teammate quality and therefore truly isolate the player's contribution?

I think... I believe it was none of them?

Seriously, give it up. There are no good public analytics for defensively-focused blueliners. Per said measurements, the only blueliners that are any good defensively are two-way guys who, by Some Miracle Of Happenstance That Totally Has Nothing At All To Do With Team Quality Or Sheltered Minutes No Really I Swear, get to spend all their time in the offensive zone.


Ah the old "his team sucks" routine. If he's such a difference maker, why isn't he making a difference?
Nov. 24, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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Ah the old "his team sucks" routine. If he's such a difference maker, why isn't he making a difference?

Because there's six defensemen on the roster, and four other players on the ice, and he's good but he's not superstar enough to offset all of those.

And you seem to be assuming "the team is bad" is always invalid because it's overapplied for positions and skillsets for which it doesn't actually matter, regardless of the fact that it's been long known defensive defensemen are the exception to that rule of thumb, owing to the fact that said stats are strongly event-based whereas ideal defensive defenseman play leads to a lack of measurable events.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
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Because there's six defensemen on the roster, and four other players on the ice, and he's good but he's not superstar enough to offset all of those.

And you seem to be assuming "the team is bad" is always invalid because it's overapplied for positions and skillsets for which it doesn't actually matter, regardless of the fact that it's been long known defensive defensemen are the exception to that rule of thumb, owing to the fact that said stats are strongly event-based whereas ideal defensive defenseman play leads to a lack of measurable events.


That is completely wrong. A good defensive player keeps the puck away from his net. Gavrikov is not at all good at that. Which is why when he's on the ice, the team gets a lot of shots against. He also allows a lot of high danger chances. There are lots of good defensive players who grade out well despite being defensive defenceman. Brodie for example is a defensive defenceman with terrific underlying numbers. So is Gio, Ekholm was another defensive defenceman who had great underlying numbers. None of them get many points anymore but they are smart with the puck and get it out of their zone and up the ice well, preventing chances against. Big guys who hit people lots, never have the puck and get block shots always have a big number of fans defending them, but there is nothing to defend. You are just choosing to ignore the warts of their game and get excited when they block a shot or hit someone. Gavrikov is fine, doesn't hurt you that much but doesn't do much to help either.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 7:50 p.m.
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Brodie


Huh. What did I say again?

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Per said measurements, the only blueliners that are any good defensively are two-way guys


Huh. How about that.

As for the rest - you're continuing to focus on events. The team gets a lot of shots against when anybody at all is on the ice here. There are a lot of high danger chances when anybody at all is on the ice here. Because no one single guy can handle defending for the entire team. Every single of those stats are correlations that have as a built-in implicit assumption that the rest of the team is at least playing a consistent NHL-capable style and at least attempting to do their part without completely ****ing it up. Columbus cannot do that right now because there is no defensive system working - folks are still trying to learn and constantly failing - and so all our defenseman, in advanced stats, look like horrible trash compared to their actual ability. Especially the ones that get the most time and deployments.

Every defensive advanced stat out there presumes that there is a system, and measures everyone's contribution within that system. When there is no system, there's nothing useful to measure.

Put him on a different team and I guarantee you, per stat-wtaching, suddenly he'll miraculously look like a solid top-4 guy out of nowhere.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:44 p.m.
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Huh. What did I say again?



Huh. How about that.

As for the rest - you're continuing to focus on events. The team gets a lot of shots against when anybody at all is on the ice here. There are a lot of high danger chances when anybody at all is on the ice here. Because no one single guy can handle defending for the entire team. Every single of those stats are correlations that have as a built-in implicit assumption that the rest of the team is at least playing a consistent NHL-capable style and at least attempting to do their part without completely ****ing it up. Columbus cannot do that right now because there is no defensive system working - folks are still trying to learn and constantly failing - and so all our defenseman, in advanced stats, look like horrible trash compared to their actual ability. Especially the ones that get the most time and deployments.

Every defensive advanced stat out there presumes that there is a system, and measures everyone's contribution within that system. When there is no system, there's nothing useful to measure.

Put him on a different team and I guarantee you, per stat-wtaching, suddenly he'll miraculously look like a solid top-4 guy out of nowhere.


So it's coaching then that makes him look bad.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 9:40 a.m.
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So it's coaching then that makes him look bad.

That's one of the major factors. Larsen's trying to teach folks this complicated system that is a mix of zone and man and it's been confusing the hell out of everyone. At this point there's an extensive debate going on w/r/t whether or not Larsen is coaching something crazy versus whether or not our forwards don't know how to defense at all.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 10:22 a.m.
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That's one of the major factors. Larsen's trying to teach folks this complicated system that is a mix of zone and man and it's been confusing the hell out of everyone. At this point there's an extensive debate going on w/r/t whether or not Larsen is coaching something crazy versus whether or not our forwards don't know how to defense at all.


Often coaches seem to coach a system that doesn't always work with the personnel they have.
 
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