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Passing on the speculation with a proposal

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 23, 2022
Published: Nov. 23, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
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https://youtu.be/k0_SIpyqpWM

https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/11/23/new-jersey-devils-very-interested-in-montreal-canadiens-forward/
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Casey, Seamus [Reserve List]
  2. Daws, Nico
  3. Foote, Nolan
  4. Johnsson, Andreas
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. 2023 4th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Idk why Devils would want him or do it
But here is what I think a deal would be around if it happens
2.
MTL
  1. Petersen, Cal
  2. Spence, Jordan
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (PIT)
LAK
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Wideman, Chris
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $833,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Evgeni Dadonov: $2,500,000 (50%)
  • Nick Bonino: $1,025,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$79,730,832$1,132,500$5,442,500$2,769,168
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Caufield, Cole
$880,833
LW
RFA - 1
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Suzuki, Nick
$7,875,000
C
UFA - 8
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Dach, Kirby
$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 4
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Slafkovsky, Juraj
$950,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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Monahan, Sean
$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
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Dadonov, Evgeni
$2,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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Hoffman, Mike
$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
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Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
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UFA - 1
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Evans, Jake
$1,700,000
C
UFA - 3
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Armia, Joel
$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Guhle, Kaiden
$863,333
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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Petersen, Cal
$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Montembeault, Samuel
$1,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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Xhekaj, Arber
$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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Spence, Jordan
$820,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Daws, Nico
$850,833
G
RFA - 2
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Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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Harris, Jordan
$842,500
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Kovacevic, Johnathan
$766,667
RD
UFA - 3

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Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:00 a.m.
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There is no speculation, just reporters trying to get click bait. You forget 40% retention for Anderson, and half the return you expect.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:05 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
There is no speculation, just reporters trying to get click bait. You forget 40% retention for Anderson, and half the return you expect.


This comment is gonna look real bad when Anderson is traded.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:09 a.m.
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Interesting package. For Caufield.

Try Anderson, with salary retained, for a 2nd. And that’s it.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:14 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
There is no speculation, just reporters trying to get click bait. You forget 40% retention for Anderson, and half the return you expect.


lmao. Anderson isnt going anywhere despite this board hatred for Josh!
Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:15 a.m.
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Interesting package. For Caufield.

Try Anderson, with salary retained, for a 2nd. And that’s it.


There is literally zero chance any salary is retained on a 5 year deal. You already have Palat that is older and more injury prone at big money, dont act like they wouldnt jump all over Josh
Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:33 a.m.
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Words can't describe how bad the value is in that NJ deal
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:36 a.m.
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The Kings aren't prepared to pay to dump Petersen.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:38 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
There is no speculation, just reporters trying to get click bait. You forget 40% retention for Anderson, and half the return you expect.


I dunno man, we all said the same about the Chiarot trade and look what happened.

We all know Anderson is about as useful on the ice as hedgehogs are in a condom factory, but for some reason GMs still like guys like him. Overpayment is to be expected (and for me personally, anything over a 3rd is already an overpayment for him, anything added to that is just making things worse).

Given that Hughes has Anderson on a high standard, I don't think he'll be moving him for cheap either. So if NJ wants him, for whatever reason...it's going to cost them. I can see them spending a 2023 1st for him, but I can't really justify it, since there's absolutely nothing to justify.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 1:09 a.m.
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Substitute Sean Walker for Jordan Spence and Joel Edmundson with 50% retention for seventh defenseman Chris Wideman and add your 2023 second and then Los Angeles might consider that.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 2:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
There is literally zero chance any salary is retained on a 5 year deal. You already have Palat that is older and more injury prone at big money, dont act like they wouldnt jump all over Josh


Josh Anderson is much worse at hockey than Palat.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 3:14 a.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
dont act like they wouldnt jump all over Josh

They really wouldn't.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 5:42 a.m.
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They really wouldn't.


Maybe at 50% retained for Andreas Johnsson
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 6:27 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Maybe at 50% retained for Andreas Johnsson


Maybe. But even then why commit 2.75m of cap to a guy that's basically topping out as a 4th liner / 13th forward for the duration of his tenure here.
Makes no sense.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:01 a.m.
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This comment is gonna look real bad when Anderson is traded.


Guy's turning into a click-bait troll lol
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:12 a.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
I dunno man, we all said the same about the Chiarot trade and look what happened.

We all know Anderson is about as useful on the ice as hedgehogs are in a condom factory, but for some reason GMs still like guys like him. Overpayment is to be expected (and for me personally, anything over a 3rd is already an overpayment for him, anything added to that is just making things worse).

Given that Hughes has Anderson on a high standard, I don't think he'll be moving him for cheap either. So if NJ wants him, for whatever reason...it's going to cost them. I can see them spending a 2023 1st for him, but I can't really justify it, since there's absolutely nothing to justify.


It's that killer 5.5m for four full seasons after this season , makes him such a difficult unless big retention is included.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
lmao. Anderson isnt going anywhere despite this board hatred for Josh!


I agree with you he is not being traded. But there isn't hatred for Josh. It's the illogic of any team giving up good assets for him and then fitting in a 5.5m X 4 years (after this season) into their cap.
Lot better value for 5.5m in the summer than Anderson. Now, something around a retained Anderson makes trade sense for NJ, but then it really doesn't benefit Montreal much.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:47 a.m.
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It's that killer 5.5m for four full seasons after this season , makes him such a difficult unless big retention is included.


Think it simply means including a cap dump. In NJ's case, it'd likely be Johnsson.

Cap is increasing for up to 4 million for next year which will make acquiring Anderson (or any guy with higher pay and longer contract) more feasible.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:02 a.m.
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Think it simply means including a cap dump. In NJ's case, it'd likely be Johnsson.

Cap is increasing for up to 4 million for next year which will make acquiring Anderson (or any guy with higher pay and longer contract) more feasible.


The thing I have a such a hard time understanding is why Habs fans (or anyone for that matter) think it’s a good idea to trade for Anderson and his contract when much superior wingers can be found in FA to similar or lesser cap hit.
Why going through the bother of trading 3 quite good prospects and a 2nd for a middling player with term when the Devils might just as well try for Kuzmenko or Bunting in FA?
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:25 a.m.
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The thing I have a such a hard time understanding is why Habs fans (or anyone for that matter) think it’s a good idea to trade for Anderson and his contract when much superior wingers can be found in FA to similar or lesser cap hit.
Why going through the bother of trading 3 quite good prospects and a 2nd for a middling player with term when the Devils might just as well try for Kuzmenko or Bunting in FA?


For 3 reasons I wager

1) he's got something GMs like, size in this case
2) he could be considered available due to Habs rebuilding
3) in terms of age he could be considered a prime target for a team that thinks they need to improve in various areas now and in the long term (not that I think Anderson would improve anyone)

I agree that adding guys like them makes much more sense, but they'd likely only become available in the offseason.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:42 a.m.
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Guy's turning into a click-bait troll lol


You don't know... @LIRIK taking notes of people who wronged him, he's a bad dude! Look out!
Nov. 24, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.
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I agree with you he is not being traded. But there isn't hatred for Josh. It's the illogic of any team giving up good assets for him and then fitting in a 5.5m X 4 years (after this season) into their cap.
Lot better value for 5.5m in the summer than Anderson. Now, something around a retained Anderson makes trade sense for NJ, but then it really doesn't benefit Montreal much.


Two further thoughts about that contract: it's $23.5 million in actual cash, ALL of which is salary (i.e., not signing bonuses), which means that a buyout is more expensive. Those aren't major factors, but they ARE negative ones . . .
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:35 p.m.
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You don't know... LIRIK taking notes of people who wronged him, he's a bad dude! Look out!


Tired of trolls who think they know hockey, saying for 3 months Chiarot is never fetching a 1st, only to see him being traded for an unprotected 2023 1st and a prospect.

Trolls were so wrong on that one, and they keep going, never admitting they were wrong. Still think they're so smart at hockey. Posting the same comments about Edmundson.

How many times they gotta be wrong before they realise they don't know ****?
Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.
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Interesting package. For Caufield.

Try Anderson, with salary retained, for a 2nd. And that’s it.


You think that's what he's gonna be traded for? Or that's your "mom's basement dude" thought about Anderson's value? Big difference.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 12:48 p.m.
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You think that's what he's gonna be traded for? Or that's your "mom's basement dude" thought about Anderson's value? Big difference.


I don’t think he gets traded at all if Kent’s valuation is anywhere close to Habs fans valuations.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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Tired of trolls who think they know hockey, saying for 3 months Chiarot is never fetching a 1st, only to see him being traded for an unprotected 2023 1st and a prospect.

Trolls were so wrong on that one, and they keep going, never admitting they were wrong. Still think they're so smart at hockey. Posting the same comments about Edmundson.

How many times they gotta be wrong before they realise they don't know ****?


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