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Size and speed in bottom six

Created by: NHLfan10506
Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 24, 2022
Published: Nov. 24, 2022
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Habs fans have been insistent that Devils are aggressively pursuing Anderson. Sounds like these “rumors” are mostly click-bait. But I’ll play along.

For Comtois - Ducks get a few good pieces here, including a huge dman and speedy center.

For Meier - Considering the timing of the trade before you respond. This would be after season, before first arbitration window. In other words, if it gets to this point, Meier would not be extending in San Jose and the best case option for the Sharks would be to get 1-year arb award of around $8.5m. That would leave one last window between January 2024 (when extension can first occur) and March (2024 deadline) for Sharks to trade him. instead of hanging onto him for possible late 1st rounder in 2024, they take a top-forward back in Sharangovich.

For Anderson - to start, there would have to be a significant amount of his $5.5 million salary and he worth about $1.8m. There is no viable deal that exists with Devils taking full salary.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
3$950,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,500,000
4$4,000,000
4$2,750,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
3$2,250,000
6$7,750,000
2$1,050,000
2$1,050,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,000,000
3$3,000,000
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
ANA
  1. Bahl, Kevin
  2. Boqvist, Jesper [RFA Rights]
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
2.
NJD
  1. Meier, Timo [RFA Rights]
SJS
  1. Sharangovich, Yegor
  2. Stillman, Chase
Additional Details:
After season, before first Arbitration window. Extension agree to beforehand.
3.
NJD
  1. Anderson, Josh ($2,750,000 retained)
MTL
  1. Blackwood, Mackenzie [RFA Rights]
  2. McCarthy, Case
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
A goalie to compete with Allen. Case McCarthy is stay-at-home RD who plays with chip on his shoulder (and is currently Lane Hutson’s line partner at BU).
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Recapture Fees
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,889,167$422,500$1,390,000-$389,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 7
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW
RFA - 2
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LW
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RW, C
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
UFA - 6
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
C
RFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$850,833$850,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
G
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$789,167$789,167 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Taxi Squad
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$918,333$918,333 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$3,250,000$3M)
RD
RFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
RFA - 3
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$950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
RFA
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$762,500$762,500 ($0$0$0$0)
RW
RFA - 1
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$850,833$850,833 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
G
RFA - 1

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Nov. 24, 2022 at 7:11 a.m.
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Sort of a cool deal but that doesn’t get Verbeek to trade Comtois away
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 7:30 a.m.
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 7:40 a.m.
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Big no from Quebec, 0 chance we retain and if we do 0 chance we retain for that return.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 7:42 a.m.
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Interesting trade for Anderson, but Habs are not going to tie up retention slots for 4.5 years. They would rather keep the player.

Please understand it's not that your value is off, it's the reality of only having 3 active retentions
Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:15 a.m.
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.


👀👀 who?
Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:22 a.m.
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👀👀 who?


Shakir Mukhamadullin...Devs 20th OA pick in 2020...Big boy LD which should fill the required specs.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:23 a.m.
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Shakir Mukhamadullin...Devs 20th OA pick in 2020...Big boy LD which should fill the required specs.


Ahhh but I feel like we have to many defensemen his age in the system
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 8:27 a.m.
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Ahhh but I feel like we have to many defensemen his age in the system


Just dress more defensemen. Put 10 or 12 of them in the lineup if needed. It's the least we can do for Gibster.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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Big no from Quebec, 0 chance we retain and if we do 0 chance we retain for that return.


Without any retention, it’s unlikely anyone bids for him. So if there are rumors of a bidding war, it’s likely Kent has offered some serious money back.

We are talking about 30-point 4th liner here
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.
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Seems a bit high for Josh Anderson, when we already have the best 4th line in the league.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:38 a.m.
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.


He is a personal favorite of our GM (probably in part because he has had to often defend drafting him at #20 as he was slated to be around 50-75). So far, so good. But has only played a few games in North America thus far. So we shall see next year.

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👀👀 who?


Shakir Mukhamadullin, RD, Ufa (KHL). 1st round pick from a couple of years ago. Big, long-reach with very fluid skating style. Is a lefty who plays exclusively at RD. Still a little thin, could use a few more pounds. Set numerous records as teenager in KHL. Has turned into polarizing prospect as his game can be unorthodox at times. Especially in his activations from blue line. Detractors see him as raw, undisciplined, even sloppy. Supporters see him as genius, intelligent, creative, aggressive. He will likely arrive in North America at end of this season when KHL is over (his current contract ends this year), will probably will play 2023-24 in AHL and be ready for NHL in 2024-25.

Huge upside, high-ceiling but very low floor type of prospect. Boom/bust.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:39 a.m.
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Without any retention, it’s unlikely anyone bids for him. So if there are rumors of a bidding war, it’s likely Kent has offered some serious money back.

We are talking about 30-point 4th liner here


Ya lebrun already said teams want him without retention he is a very popular player in GM circles.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:42 a.m.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 9:51 a.m.
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Ah yes using the metrics that determined nick suzuki was one of the worst nhl contracts. Super reliable
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.
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Ah yes using the metrics that determined nick suzuki was one of the worst nhl contracts. Super reliable


Okay well, Habs fans can go back to offering Anderson for Jack Hughes or for Nemec+. And Devils fans will go back to ignoring Habs fans.

Just easier that way for us.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:18 a.m.
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That Meier proposal looks pretty bad tbh.

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Then don't propose a trade for him?

Montreal's not going to retain 50% on Anderson, they don't even want to trade him. They certainly going to retain 50% for a nothing prospect, a future late 2nd and a goalie like Blackwood.

And if you're using data to argue that, I'd point out that you're arguing that Montreal should trade for one of the worst tandem goalies analytically in the NHL this season to replace one of the best.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:24 a.m.
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Okay well, Habs fans can go back to offering Anderson for Jack Hughes or for Nemec+. And Devils fans will go back to ignoring Habs fans.

Just easier that way for us.


I checked the first 2 pages of the habs agms and new jersey agm and that was literally never proposed. Nice hyperbole though
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.
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I checked the first 2 pages of the habs agms and new jersey agm and that was literally never proposed. Nice hyperbole though


Ok, sure, lets pretend all those trade offers from before draft never happened.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.
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Ok, sure, lets pretend all those trade offers from before draft never happened.


You are whining about stuff from 6 months ago? Jesus let it go
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.
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Then don't propose a trade for him?

Montreal's not going to retain 50% on Anderson, they don't even want to trade him. They certainly going to retain 50% for a nothing prospect, a future late 2nd and a goalie like Blackwood.

And if you're using data to argue that, I'd point out that you're arguing that Montreal should trade for one of the worst tandem goalies analytically in the NHL this season to replace one of the best.


I don't want to trade for him. But am showing a much more realistic offer that all the crap Habs nation has been sending us for last 6 months.

Since he signed his ridiculous contract in Montreal, he is #306 in WAR among NHL Forwards (out of 308).
Third to last.

For a team to take his full contract, Habs are paying a large amount in picks.
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Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:39 a.m.
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You are whining about stuff from 6 months ago? Jesus let it go


I said, "Devils fans will go back to ignoring Habs fans. Just easier that way for us."

call it what you want.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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I'd like to figure out a deal where the Ducks get Shak.


Shak for Zegras👀👀
Nov. 24, 2022 at 10:50 a.m.
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Shak for Zegras👀👀


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Nov. 24, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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I don't want to trade for him. But am showing a much more realistic offer that all the crap Habs nation has been sending us for last 6 months.

Since he signed his ridiculous contract in Montreal, he is #306 in WAR among NHL Forwards (out of 308).
Third to last.

For a team to take his full contract, Habs are paying a large amount in picks.


Literally every insider has talked about him being in demand, and how they've reported on him is wildly different that what you deem "realistic".

Its fine that you think he has negative value, but you're opinion on his value has as much value as the proposals you're complaining about.
Nov. 24, 2022 at 11:16 a.m.
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Zegras has -3 plus minus, Shak has 0

Ducks add a 2nd and it’s fair
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