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Created by: TMLBRIAN
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 25, 2022
Published: Nov. 25, 2022
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I think all the deals make sense.

Leafs get an upgrade at forward
Colorado gets a upgrade at 2c (yes I know it's a lot to pay and they more than likely won't be able to resign him. But this pushes their team over the edge)
Edmonton gets a D upgrade and depth
Islanders get a guy who is close to a ppg right now, although not scoring a ton right now. 3 years left for a cap dump and 1st.
Boston gets extra forward depth for cheap.

Thoughts?
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
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TOR
  1. Kuzmenko, Andrei
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
  1. Olausson, Oskar
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)
3.
VAN
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2024 5th round pick (EDM)
4.
VAN
  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
5.
VAN
  1. 2023 5th round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Engvall, Pierre ($1,125,000 retained)
Buyouts
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2023
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2024
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2025
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22$82,500,000$76,642,084$1,250,000$1,232,500$5,857,916
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$891,667$891,667 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167
RW
RFA - 4
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$883,750$883,750 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
C
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 2
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:04 p.m.
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Why do the bruins want engvall?
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:05 p.m.
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Quoting: DefenseFirst
Why do the bruins want engvall?


Engvall half retained would be good depth at the trade deadline for a competitor. He is fast and good defensively. Doesn't need to be Boston but he would have value at the deadline if he was retained. The Leafs only give him up for cap reasons. They would keep him if they had LTIR accommodations to allow them to keep him.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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Engvall half retained would be good depth at the trade deadline for a competitor. He is fast and good defensively. Doesn't need to be Boston but he would have value at the deadline if he was retained. The Leafs only give him up for cap reasons. They would keep him if they had LTIR accommodations to allow them to keep him.


Sure. He would be in providence, not boston though, so probably a pass.
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:13 p.m.
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So COL trades their top forward prospect whom they have just called up for injuries, leaving not a single viable top 6 prospect in the pipeline, their 23 1st the only pick they have in the first 5 rounds in the deepest draft since 2015 and their only pick in the last 2 drafts and another pick for a guy they can’t even re-sign if they were to move Girard for pure futures. COL just needs to get healthy.
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:17 p.m.
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So COL trades their top forward prospect whom they have just called up for injuries, leaving not a single viable top 6 prospect in the pipeline, their 23 1st the only pick they have in the first 5 rounds in the deepest draft since 2015 and their only pick in the last 2 drafts and another pick for a guy they can’t even re-sign if they were to move Girard for pure futures. COL just needs to get healthy.


It's clear that Colorado has one hole on their team and it's at number 2 C. The rest of their team is spectacular. Yes it's a lot to pay, but this makes them a huge cup contender once again. I think they should be all in for the next few years. They will attract a lot of free agents as well.

I think they should consider Horvat or O'Reilly at the deadline. (Although ST Louis has been bouncing back lately, so O'Reilly may not be available)
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
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why would the isles want brock boeser? He has been one of the worst forwards in the NHL
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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why would the isles want brock boeser? He has been one of the worst forwards in the NHL


He currently has 13 points in 14 games this year. He has a positive Corsi and much better Corsi relative to his teamates. His plus minus is bad but his team is bad as well.

13 pts in 14 games and is somehow one of the worst forwards in the NHL?
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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It's clear that Colorado has one hole on their team and it's at number 2 C. The rest of their team is spectacular. Yes it's a lot to pay, but this makes them a huge cup contender once again. I think they should be all in for the next few years. They will attract a lot of free agents as well.

I think they should consider Horvat or O'Reilly at the deadline. (Although ST Louis has been bouncing back lately, so O'Reilly may not be available)

No what they should do is get healthy, and let Newhook play with legit top 6 wingers, not panic and overpay for a guy who is having a career year and they can’t re-sign. They are literally missing 3 top 6 forwards, were missing 3 dmen and are still within winning games in hand of 1st place in the central.
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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Engvall half retained would be good depth at the trade deadline for a competitor. He is fast and good defensively. Doesn't need to be Boston but he would have value at the deadline if he was retained. The Leafs only give him up for cap reasons. They would keep him if they had LTIR accommodations to allow them to keep him.


Wouldn’t the Leafs rather give up Kerfoot?, The Guy who hasn’t produced since the Stars Game?
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:44 p.m.
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No what they should do is get healthy, and let Newhook play with legit top 6 wingers, not panic and overpay for a guy who is having a career year and they can’t re-sign. They are literally missing 3 top 6 forwards, were missing 3 dmen and are still within winning games in hand of 1st place in the central.


He is having a career year, but I also suggested Horvat for a 1st and Olausson in the off season. I honestly think it's a perfect fit. He is a perfect 2nd line centre. Big, Wins Faceoffs, Good Defensively, Good for 50-60pts on any given year.

Colorado is an insane team. They would be good even if they didn't make any moves at the deadline. If they do make a move I suggest it be a for a number 2 Centre. They lost Kadri and didn't replace him and their internal options so far are not taking off.

If Colorado can do the deal without giving up Olausson, all power to them.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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Wouldn’t the Leafs rather give up Kerfoot?, The Guy who hasn’t produced since the Stars Game?


I think they would prefer to keep Kerfoot over Engvall if the cap situation works. They always talk about how good he is defensively and how fast he is and how hard he works. They may be trying to prop up his trade value, but I think they are genuine in their like for Kerfoot. I actually had the trade set as Kerfoot + 1st for Kuzmenko + 3rd at first but I thought the Leafs would prefer to do it this way instead.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:49 p.m.
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I think they would prefer to keep Kerfoot over Engvall if the cap situation works. They always talk about how good he is defensively and how fast he is and how hard he works. They may be trying to prop up his trade value, but I think they are genuine in their like for Kerfoot. I actually had the trade set as Kerfoot + 1st for Kuzmenko + 3rd at first but I thought the Leafs would prefer to do it this way instead.


I doubt it, Engvall
has been looking decent recently compared to Kerfoot & I feel Dubas rathe keep the guy who’s been able to stay in one spot then have to shift around the line up hoping it sticks like a piece of crap thrown against a wall
Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:50 p.m.
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He currently has 13 points in 14 games this year. He has a positive Corsi and much better Corsi relative to his teamates. His plus minus is bad but his team is bad as well.

13 pts in 14 games and is somehow one of the worst forwards in the NHL?


Corsi is not important, what matters is he’s the worst defensive forward in the NHL and he’s below average at driving play offensively (xGF/60).

Giving up a 1st for him is just absurd. He’d be ten isles 6th of 7th best winger.

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Nov. 25, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
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He currently has 13 points in 14 games this year. He has a positive Corsi and much better Corsi relative to his teamates. His plus minus is bad but his team is bad as well.

13 pts in 14 games and is somehow one of the worst forwards in the NHL?


The guy has 1 goal at 5v5 this season, points lack context. He is a passenger, not someone you trade a 1st for.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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*sighs* No......again. Sincerely, Colorado Avalanche fans everywhere.
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 2:33 p.m.
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It's clear that Colorado has one hole on their team and it's at number 2 C. The rest of their team is spectacular. Yes it's a lot to pay, but this makes them a huge cup contender once again. I think they should be all in for the next few years. They will attract a lot of free agents as well.

I think they should consider Horvat or O'Reilly at the deadline. (Although ST Louis has been bouncing back lately, so O'Reilly may not be available)


Disagree, its not clear that they do, they havent even had their 2nd line play together for 1 game this season.
avs will add at the deadline, but they arent being reckless wiht assets, going all in on a rental who will walk 100% and no they wont be doing an offseason trade for him either, he wants 8mx8. Avs cant afford that without dismantling their team and they arent doigng that for horvat
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 4:46 p.m.
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He is having a career year, but I also suggested Horvat for a 1st and Olausson in the off season. I honestly think it's a perfect fit. He is a perfect 2nd line centre. Big, Wins Faceoffs, Good Defensively, Good for 50-60pts on any given year.

Colorado is an insane team. They would be good even if they didn't make any moves at the deadline. If they do make a move I suggest it be a for a number 2 Centre. They lost Kadri and didn't replace him and their internal options so far are not taking off.

If Colorado can do the deal without giving up Olausson, all power to them.


None of that isn’t untrue, but it is also abundantly clear they can’t resign him. As it sits they have $13M in the off season to re-sign Byram, Newhook, Compher or a replacement, Rodrigues or a replacement, Cogliano or a replacement, Helm or a replacement, Kaut or a replacement and EJ as a replacement. For the sake of argument let’s say they replace Compher, Rodrigues, Cogliano, Helm, Kaut, and EJ all with $1M players, that’s $7M to sign both Byram and Newhook, even bridging them will take every penny of that. Then everybody is like well trade Girard for futures that frees up $5M that doesn’t get Horvat signed and then creates another d spot that you have to fill.
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 4:54 p.m.
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None of that isn’t untrue, but it is also abundantly clear they can’t resign him. As it sits they have $13M in the off season to re-sign Byram, Newhook, Compher or a replacement, Rodrigues or a replacement, Cogliano or a replacement, Helm or a replacement, Kaut or a replacement and EJ as a replacement. For the sake of argument let’s say they replace Compher, Rodrigues, Cogliano, Helm, Kaut, and EJ all with $1M players, that’s $7M to sign both Byram and Newhook, even bridging them will take every penny of that. Then everybody is like well trade Girard for futures that frees up $5M that doesn’t get Horvat signed and then creates another d spot that you have to fill.


Definitely - That's why I made this AGM to see if and how it all fit - https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/654960?post_id=3694110

it would be tight but possible.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 5:37 p.m.
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In what world is kuzmenko worth a 1st? Dude hasn’t even played a full nhl season, never mind the playoffs. No chance he’s worth that
Nov. 25, 2022 at 5:48 p.m.
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In what world is kuzmenko worth a 1st? Dude hasn’t even played a full nhl season, never mind the playoffs. No chance he’s worth that


He posted over a ppg in the khl last year and has started his NHL career very strongly. His cap hit is also only 950k. PLUS the Leafs get a 3rd round pick back.

I think Kuzmenko ends up fetching a first at or near the TDL. Maybe 2nd + a good prospect.
Nov. 25, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
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He posted over a ppg in the khl last year and has started his NHL career very strongly. His cap hit is also only 950k. PLUS the Leafs get a 3rd round pick back.

I think Kuzmenko ends up fetching a first at or near the TDL. Maybe 2nd + a good prospect.


Doubt he’d land a 1st. But either way - imo the leafs should target an impact winger with good playoff track record. He could be (& most likely is) another mikheyev. Good reg season player but invisible in playoffs
Nov. 25, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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Definitely - That's why I made this AGM to see if and how it all fit - https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/654960?post_id=3694110

it would be tight but possible.


I saw it neither Byram or Newhook sign those deals, particularly Byram, and if all he does it replicate last year Newhook isn’t doing that. And you have MacDermid playing a regular role on d, that is a massive problem. I won’t even get into here about Formenton.
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Nov. 25, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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Definitely - That's why I made this AGM to see if and how it all fit - https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/654960?post_id=3694110

it would be tight but possible.


Not with realistic contracts it wouldn't with the roster you have on there. There ARE ways it could be done but all of them are so unlikely it barely merits mention.
 
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