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An interesting Toronto trade

Created by: Caniac2000
Team: 2022-23 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 27, 2022
Published: Nov. 27, 2022
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Canes get a guy that is a little better suited to the Rod system. Toronto gets 2 million in cap and not a large drop off in production (1 goal and 1 assist different) Thoughts?
Trades
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  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
Toronto gets 2 million in cap, so they give up a pick to offset it
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$82,304,417$112,500$500,000$195,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
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UFA - 1
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$8,460,250$8,460,250
C
UFA - 2
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
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$4,820,000$4,820,000
C
UFA - 8
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RW
RFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,025,000$4,025,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,050,000$4,050,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2

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Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
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Toronto doesnt have much interest in downgrading. If they trade pick, it's to upgrade their forward group.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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its an interesting idea, but it only make sense depending on what they would get with that capspace, so cant say if it really worth it until you know what you clear the cap for to make a move.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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Leafs don’t need cap space either. No chance we give up a draft pick for the worse player
Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: DarcyTucker
Toronto doesnt have much interest in downgrading. If they trade pick, it's to upgrade their forward group.


I think it makes sense as a cap clearing move with a bigger acquisition in place for Toronto.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:45 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:01 p.m.
Could something like this happen? Sure but it's not likely to. In reality the Leafs front office aren't like the CapFriendly Leafs community. They've never explored moving Kerfoot. They like that he can flex up an down the line up, to center, can PK, etc. If they were to move Kerfoot, they would need to get an upgrade at 3C back. Right now, if one of the top 2Cs get injured you can bet Kerfoot would be expected to step in. Moving Kerfoot sideways for a cap savings is too big of a risk in that regard. Cap wise the Leafs are pretty comfortable after the Muzzin injury. If they were to move out money to make some more room, it would likely be Engvall. A healthy Leafs roster(except Muzzin on LTIR) with Engvall moved can create up to $5,876,254 in space or more than enough to get everything done at the deadline.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I think it makes sense as a cap clearing move with a bigger acquisition in place for Toronto.


If it comes to that they might just include Kerfoot in the deal for a big acquisition. But the Leafs cant really afford to trade a versatile forward like Kerfoot
Nov. 27, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I think it makes sense as a cap clearing move with a bigger acquisition in place for Toronto.


They don't really need the space with Muzzin likely done, though. Kerfoot could also easily be the money out for no additional cost in said bigger acquisition - he'd be owed next to nothing by the time the deadline rolls around.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
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Leafs need Kerfoot's flexibility for centre and LW. Despite his "hands of stone", he can other things right. Just don't think Statsny improves the Leafs. But it's a good thought on the trade if the Leafs some cap space for another trade.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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If we really need the cap space sure but with Muzzin's 5.6M all but confirmed on LTIR at the TDL we won't be terribly cash strapped. If we have moves that big at play where we need more than like 6 or 7 mil cleared out (trade Engvall would be preferred over Kerfoot, plus Muzzin's cap) than perhaps but I don't see that happening with retention possibilities from sellers that we'd be acquiring from

Kerfoot is just such a swiss army knife that's invaluable to this team, he's the next man up if one of the top 6 centers get hurt or if we need to hold a lead he gets moved up and down the lineup for matchups, just so useful even taking production and shot selection (or lack thereof) into account
Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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Could something like this happen? Sure but it's not likely to. In reality the Leafs front office aren't like the CapFriendly Leafs community. They've never explored moving Kerfoot. They like that he can flex up an down the line up, to center, can PK, etc. If they were to move Kerfoot, they would need to get an upgrade at 3C back. Right now, if one of the top 2Cs get injured you can bet Kerfoot would be expected to step in. Moving Kerfoot sideways for a cap savings is too big of a risk in that regard. Cap wise the Leafs are pretty comfortable after the Muzzin injury. If they were to move out money to make some more room, it would likely be Engvall. A healthy Leafs roster(except Muzzin on LTIR) with Engvall moved can create up to $5,876,254 in space or more than enough to get everything done at the deadline.


even more in cap space no? Muzzin's 5.6M plus Pierre's 2.25? Around 7.85M in cap space unless its some kind of cap space LTIR accrual rule that I'm not familiar with
Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
even more in cap space no? Muzzin's 5.6M plus Pierre's 2.25? Around 7.85M in cap space unless its some kind of cap space LTIR accrual rule that I'm not familiar with


Leafs were over to start with and had guys on LTIR to make room. Murray's injury covered the load for awhile once the initial LTIRs were done and now Muzzin is doing the lifting. They haven't spent 1 day off LTIR this season. Don't worry, I did a quick mockup AGM team to get that number.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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Leafs were over to start with and had guys on LTIR to make room. Murray's injury covered the load for awhile once the initial LTIRs were done and now Muzzin is doing the lifting. They haven't spent 1 day off LTIR this season.


I thought you get additional cap space accrued when you have players on LTIR not cap taken off? I don't know the rules on that particularly well though
Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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I thought you get additional cap space accrued when you have players on LTIR not cap taken off? I don't know the rules on that particularly well though


The Leafs have been carrying full 23 man rosters. They've never been low enough to get close to the point they'd be accruing space even with the shenanigans to start the season.
Nov. 27, 2022 at 3:23 p.m.
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Full disclosure. I was fully expecting a Pesce trade when I clicked on this.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 4:21 p.m.
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
I think it makes sense as a cap clearing move with a bigger acquisition in place for Toronto.


Big issue though is the pick, there's no reason for them to give up a pick. Statsny is 36, so his age is probably just catching up to him, while Kerfoot is just playing bad in terms of offense. The other thing is there needs to be an opportunity to acquire a big acquisition to present itself in the first place. Otherwise, Leafs could just ship off Engvall+Kerfoot for a big acquisition (with retention)+low cap hit player. The Leafs won't know if Muzzin is done for the season/indefinitely until his February evaluation, so they won't be making any big acquisitions until after which is probably when guys will be available anyways.
Nov. 27, 2022 at 4:27 p.m.
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Full disclosure. I was fully expecting a Pesce trade when I clicked on this.


We've seen many Nylander/Pesce trades on CF. Now that the Canes are having trouble scoring, maybe the Canes might like that trade now. But the Leafs are just middling in scoring now, and need Nylander, and the Leafs defensive play has been good.
I agree with you, I expecting to see a Pesce trade.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 4:31 p.m.
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We've seen many Nylander/Pesce trades on CF. Now that the Canes are having trouble scoring, maybe the Canes might like that trade now. But the Leafs are just middling in scoring now, and need Nylander, and the Leafs defensive play has been good.
I agree with you, I expecting to see a Pesce trade.


Carolina needs the defensive help of Pesce more than the scoring reinforcements. At least Carolina is only about a month away from adding Pacioretty and Teravainen back to this lineup. Burns, Chatfield, and Coghlan don't exactly do much defensively, so Pesce is vital. He's a lot more valuable to Carolina than Nylander would be who would be... maybe the 3RW? Between him and Teravainen there would be a debate for the second line spot.
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Nov. 27, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Carolina needs the defensive help of Pesce more than the scoring reinforcements. At least Carolina is only about a month away from adding Pacioretty and Teravainen back to this lineup. Burns, Chatfield, and Coghlan don't exactly do much defensively, so Pesce is vital. He's a lot more valuable to Carolina than Nylander would be who would be... maybe the 2RW? Between him and Teravainen there would be a debate.


Agree with you. Leafs are kinda in the opposite situation. No forward injuries, but injuries to top Dmen. Muzzin for out virtually all year, Reilly will be out for about six weeks, Brodie out for about a month.
Holl has picked up his game, Liljegren and Sandin has been solid pair recently (they both missed training camp), Giordano...solid. Then 7th Dman Benn got injured. Gotta say the the team defence has been good. Surprised the Holloway has been so good at RHD.
Nov. 27, 2022 at 5:32 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
We've seen many Nylander/Pesce trades on CF. Now that the Canes are having trouble scoring, maybe the Canes might like that trade now. But the Leafs are just middling in scoring now, and need Nylander, and the Leafs defensive play has been good.
I agree with you, I expecting to see a Pesce trade.


I think getting Max and Teuvo into the lineup might be a start to correcting those scoring issues, but I'd still like a Nylander acquisition, even though it isn't likely to happen now. Only thing is we can't give up anything on defense right now. That's the only stable part of the roster at the moment. I'd go for a shot at Kane or Timo, or someone of that caliber. We'd have to do it with picks and prospects though. After we get some people healthy and back in the lineup I wouldn't be surprised to see some bold moves.
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Nov. 28, 2022 at 12:16 a.m.
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Quoting: InRodWeTrust
I think getting Max and Teuvo into the lineup might be a start to correcting those scoring issues, but I'd still like a Nylander acquisition, even though it isn't likely to happen now. Only thing is we can't give up anything on defense right now. That's the only stable part of the roster at the moment. I'd go for a shot at Kane or Timo, or someone of that caliber. We'd have to do it with picks and prospects though. After we get some people healthy and back in the lineup I wouldn't be surprised to see some bold moves.


Did you really put Patrick Kane and Timo Meier in the same tier of player?
Nov. 28, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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I would take either one of those guys right about now.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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Are we using a third part to eat half of Kerfoot’s cap cuz we can’t afford that cap change.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
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Are we using a third part to eat half of Kerfoot’s cap cuz we can’t afford that cap change.


Except, look at the team. It's easily affordable.
 
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