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Initial Creation Date: Nov. 28, 2022
Published: Nov. 28, 2022
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
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Knies, Matthew3$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Holmberg, Pontus1$900,000
Samsonov, Ilya4$4,000,000
Timmins, Conor1$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kane, Patrick3$7,500,000
Bunting, Michael6$3,500,000
Kämpf, David2$1,750,000
Aston-Reese, Zach1$900,000
Blueger, Teddy1$1,500,000
Dumoulin, Brian1$3,000,000
Gudas, Radko1$2,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Arvidsson, Viktor
  2. Roy, Matt
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Brodie, TJ
  2. Nylander, William
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$86,500,000$85,627,417$0$0$872,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Bunting, Michael
$3,500,000
LW
UFA
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Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Kane, Patrick
$7,500,000
RW
UFA
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Arvidsson, Viktor
$4,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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Knies, Matthew
$950,000
LW
RFA
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Kämpf, David
$1,750,000
C
UFA
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Järnkrok, Calle
$2,100,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Holmberg, Pontus
$900,000
C
RFA
Blueger, Teddy
$1,500,000
C, LW
UFA
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Aston-Reese, Zach
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Rielly, Morgan
$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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Roy, Matt
$3,150,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Samsonov, Ilya
$4,000,000
G
RFA
Dumoulin, Brian
$3,000,000
LD
UFA
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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Murray, Matt
$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Sandin, Rasmus
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
Gudas, Radko
$2,000,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Robertson, Nicholas
$796,667
LW
RFA - 1
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Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:28 a.m.
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Kings decline. Matt Roy is not available.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:45 a.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Kings decline. Matt Roy is not available.


I really hope this a joke, Leafs get absolutely fleeced by LA here
Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:52 a.m.
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I really hope this a joke, Leafs get absolutely fleeced by LA here


Not a joke. Kings aren't trading Matt Roy.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 2:04 a.m.
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Not a joke. Kings aren't trading Matt Roy.


And the Leafs arent trading Nylander lol people on this site are ridiculous 😂
Nov. 28, 2022 at 2:35 a.m.
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And the Leafs arent trading Nylander lol people on this site are ridiculous 😂


The Leafs probably shouldn't do it either. That doesn't mean the Kings should.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 4:16 a.m.
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The Leafs probably shouldn't do it either. That doesn't mean the Kings should.


Well what could Roy do that Brodie can't or doesn't?

It's probably going to come down to just physical play, clearing the net and such. That's probably something that they would be willing to give up. The deciding factor would really be if they can even fit Nylander and Brodie in there roster for that season, and what a Nylander extension would look like. They could probably even find a Roy replacement in FA perhaps but with having Clarke they probably wouldn't worry about it for the season.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 7:25 a.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Not a joke. Kings aren't trading Matt Roy.


You would decline Matthews for Roy.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 7:26 a.m.
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Well what could Roy do that Brodie can't or doesn't?

It's probably going to come down to just physical play, clearing the net and such. That's probably something that they would be willing to give up. The deciding factor would really be if they can even fit Nylander and Brodie in there roster for that season, and what a Nylander extension would look like. They could probably even find a Roy replacement in FA perhaps but with having Clarke they probably wouldn't worry about it for the season.


Brodie is better than Roy. This guy just hates the Leafs. Also whoever posted this trade hates the Leafs as well since he absolutely wrecks them in this trade.
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Nov. 28, 2022 at 9:17 a.m.
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The Leafs aren't trading the two superior players....especially since they are in a win mode. Oh, and Brodie doesn't waive.,
Nov. 28, 2022 at 9:43 a.m.
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Kings decline. Matt Roy is not available.


good lord. Come on now. Roy isn't even much, if any, better than Brodie. And Brodie plays the much-needed left side for LA. Then Ardvy and a 2nd doesn't touch Willy. You'd have to be crazy not to take that. Leafs would never though.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.
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Brodie is better than Roy.

I don't doubt it, but it's very clear that LA takes that trade if they can just on the fact that Nylander is better than Arvidsson and Brodie is at least just as good as Roy. If you factor in that Brodie is better than it's a no brainer, but it's much easier to compare forwards than defenders general, so maybe he thinks Roy is better which is why I posed my question like that.
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Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:20 p.m.
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good lord. Come on now. Roy isn't even much, if any, better than Brodie. And Brodie plays the much-needed left side for LA. Then Ardvy and a 2nd doesn't touch Willy. You'd have to be crazy not to take that. Leafs would never though.


Never said it was a bad value trade. The Kings need Roy and what he brings to the lineup. They don't need more scoring. They're already at the top of the league in goals. Unfortunately, they're also at the bottom of the league in goals against. This trade might boost their offense a little, but it makes them significantly worse defensively.

Kings say no. Toronto probably says no too.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:22 p.m.
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Never said it was a bad value trade. The Kings need Roy and what he brings to the lineup. They don't need more scoring. They're already at the top of the league in goals. Unfortunately, they're also at the bottom of the league in goals against. This trade might boost their offense a little, but it makes them significantly worse defensively.

Kings say no. Toronto probably says no too.


Probably?, It’s definitely No

Also you have 0 respect for TJ Brodie if you think Swapping him for Roy is a significant loss defensively for the Kings,Brodie is an Elite Shutdown D-man that can play LD/RD & still look great
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Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:28 p.m.
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Probably?, It’s definitely No

Also you have 0 respect for TJ Brodie if you think Swapping him for Roy is a significant loss defensively for the Kings,Brodie is an Elite Shutdown D-man that can play LD/RD & still look great


Quoting: tkecanuck341
Never said it was a bad value trade. The Kings need Roy and what he brings to the lineup. They don't need more scoring. They're already at the top of the league in goals. Unfortunately, they're also at the bottom of the league in goals against. This trade might boost their offense a little, but it makes them significantly worse defensively.

Kings say no. Toronto probably says no too.


more what I was getting at with the whole brodie-roy aspect of the deal
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Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Brodie is better than Roy. This guy just hates the Leafs. Also whoever posted this trade hates the Leafs as well since he absolutely wrecks them in this trade.


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good lord. Come on now. Roy isn't even much, if any, better than Brodie. And Brodie plays the much-needed left side for LA. Then Ardvy and a 2nd doesn't touch Willy. You'd have to be crazy not to take that. Leafs would never though.


tried to put it nicer but yes Brodie is better, even at absolute worst
Nov. 28, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 28, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.
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Probably?, It’s definitely No

Also you have 0 respect for TJ Brodie if you think Swapping him for Roy is a significant loss defensively for the Kings,Brodie is an Elite Shutdown D-man that can play LD/RD & still look great


I don't pretend speak for Toronto's side, hence the probably. I'll let you handle that.

I do respect TJ Brodie. He's a solid defenseman. However, he doesn't fill the same role that Roy does.

Brodie is left-handed. The Kings are short on dynamic puck-moving LHD, but one thing they already have an abundance of is defensive LHD. Anderson, Moverare, Edler, BJornfot....all lefties that are solid but don't bring much offense. The Kings have an overabundance of offensive RHD, so much so that they have Durzi playing on the left side over solid defensive natural handed options like Moverare and Bjornfot. However, ever since they traded Brock Faber last summer, they don't have any defensive RHD in the pipeline any longer. If you swap Roy for Brodie, you've now dumped your one solid defense-first RHD and created another gap in the lineup. Sure, Brodie can play on the right, but then they'd have two defensemen playing their off-hand. That's not good.

The KIngs have a number of RHD that they'd be willing to move on the right trade. Walker, Durzi, Spence, and Grans are all available. Doughty, Roy, and Clarke are the future of the Kings right side, and unless there's a direct upgrade available it doesn't make sense to move any of them because then it just opens up a new gap in the lineup. Brodie doesn't do that.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 2:27 p.m.
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I don't pretend speak for Toronto's side, hence the probably. I'll let you handle that.

I do respect TJ Brodie. He's a solid defenseman. However, he doesn't fill the same role that Roy does.

Brodie is left-handed. The Kings are short on dynamic puck-moving LHD, but one thing they already have an abundance of is defensive LHD. Anderson, Moverare, Edler, BJornfot....all lefties that are solid but don't bring much offense. The Kings have an overabundance of offensive RHD, so much so that they have Durzi playing on the left side over solid defensive natural handed options like Moverare and Bjornfot. However, ever since they traded Brock Faber last summer, they don't have any defensive RHD in the pipeline any longer. If you swap Roy for Brodie, you've now dumped your one solid defense-first RHD and created another gap in the lineup. Sure, Brodie can play on the right, but then they'd have two defensemen playing their off-hand. That's not good.

The KIngs have a number of RHD that they'd be willing to move on the right trade. Walker, Durzi, Spence, and Grans are all available. Doughty, Roy, and Clarke are the future of the Kings right side, and unless there's a direct upgrade available it doesn't make sense to move any of them because then it just opens up a new gap in the lineup. Brodie doesn't do that.


I understand all your points & they are valid they way you mad it sound was Brodie isn’t a good enough defender to fill Roy’s role which is complete BS for the Toronto Point of View Brodie’s versatility is what makes it impossible to trade him but one other thing Willy is miles ahead of Arvidsson, that is a crucial Loss for the Leafs, Arvy is nice but won’t keep up that point & goal production that Willy has. So now you made another hole in a Top 6 that has a missing 2nd line LW.

Brodie wouldn't waive his NTC & Willy isn’t being moved, Hence why i say the Leafs most definitely decline, Willy imo is worth a hell of a-lot more then Arvidsson & Brodie slightly less then Roy due to the Cap hit but even still this trade heavily favours LAK & Creates new Issues in TO
Nov. 28, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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I understand all your points & they are valid they way you mad it sound was Brodie isn’t a good enough defender to fill Roy’s role which is complete BS for the Toronto Point of View Brodie’s versatility is what makes it impossible to trade him but one other thing Willy is miles ahead of Arvidsson, that is a crucial Loss for the Leafs, Arvy is nice but won’t keep up that point & goal production that Willy has. So now you made another hole in a Top 6 that has a missing 2nd line LW.

Brodie wouldn't waive his NTC & Willy isn’t being moved, Hence why i say the Leafs most definitely decline, Willy imo is worth a hell of a-lot more then Arvidsson & Brodie slightly less then Roy due to the Cap hit but even still this trade heavily favours LAK & Creates new Issues in TO


As I said originally, it is probably (likely?) a bad value trade from Toronto's perspective. However, for LA this trade creates more problems than it solves. I'm not trying to say that LA "loses" this trade and Toronto "wins", just that it's not a trade that LA would make.
Nov. 28, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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Is This The Krusty Krab?
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