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Ideal offseason

Created by: Canucks123
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 30, 2022
Published: Nov. 30, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
4$1,500,000
3$1,300,000
4$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,000,000
5$5,000,000
4$4,500,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
TOR
    Luke Schenn anywhere at TDL
    2.
    VAN
    1. Foote, Cal [RFA Rights]
    TBL
    1. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
    3.
    VAN
    1. 2023 3rd round pick (ARI)
    ARI
    1. Myers, Tyler
    Additional Details:
    Traded after paying 5 mill signing bonus
    Traded to any team trying to reach capfloor
    Can be flipped again at next years trade deadline
    4.
    5.
    VAN
    1. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$83,500,000$77,946,250$850,000$0$5,553,750
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
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    $7,350,000$7,350,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    C, LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $6,650,000$6,650,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $1,300,000$1,300,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $4,950,000$4,950,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $825,000$825,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $762,500$762,500
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $883,750$883,750
    C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $762,500$762,500
    C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $7,850,000$7,850,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $762,500$762,500
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Calgary Flames
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Nov. 30, 2022 at 8:52 a.m.
    #1
    Owly
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    You are the only person on this site who thinks Schenn is as valuable as Foote.
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.
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    Leaf fans applied similar logic in summer proposing moves for Kerfoot. Final year of deal, only owed $500K from $3.5M salary, useful player that could be flipped at TDL … yada yada yada … can’t go back and check every post, but pretty sure every single Canuckle fan said he was a cap dump and that we’d have to pay to offload him. Thankfully leaf brass kept him but making a long story short - no one is paying you a 3rd for Myers, no matter the contract situation
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    Nov. 30, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.
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    Owly
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    Quoting: kster34
    Leaf fans applied similar logic in summer proposing moves for Kerfoot. Final year of deal, only owed $500K from $3.5M salary, useful player that could be flipped at TDL … yada yada yada … can’t go back and check every post, but pretty sure every single Canuckle fan said he was a cap dump and that we’d have to pay to offload him. Thankfully leaf brass kept him but making a long story short - no one is paying you a 3rd for Myers, no matter the contract situation


    Yup, they will have to pay to move him even at 50%, in the words of everyone who opposes a Leafs trade on here. No one is doing you any favors
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 10:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    Yup, they will have to pay to move him even at 50%, in the words of everyone who opposes a Leafs trade on here. No one is doing you any favors


    I could see Myers getting Kulikov'd to a cap floor team after the bonus is paid, but that's probably the ceiling. The AAV is just too much to put any sort of positive value on him, even if he's still a somewhat useful player.
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 10:59 a.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    I could see Myers getting Kulikov'd to a cap floor team after the bonus is paid, but that's probably the ceiling. The AAV is just too much to put any sort of positive value on him, even if he's still a somewhat useful player.


    All teams can get to the cap floor pretty easily theses days. Just sign Klingberg or some other big name UFA no one else wants with plan to flip at TDL. At least you don’t waste assets trading for big tickets (actual money or cap hit)
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    Nov. 30, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.
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    Quoting: kster34
    All teams can get to the cap floor pretty easily theses days. Just sign Klingberg or some other big name UFA no one else wants with plan to flip at TDL. At least you don’t waste assets trading for big tickets (actual money or cap hit)


    Agree - I don't really ever buy the "they'll take him to get to the floor" argument in trades, but if Vancouver was gonna pay Myers' bonus and then ship him to a team like Arizona for FCs, I could easily see the Coyotes doing that. Basically the same as signing him to a 1x$6M AAV with only a $1M salary - I can hear Bill Zito drooling from here over that type of cap hit:dollars paid ratio.
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    I could see Myers getting Kulikov'd to a cap floor team after the bonus is paid, but that's probably the ceiling. The AAV is just too much to put any sort of positive value on him, even if he's still a somewhat useful player.


    Didn't Kulikov make less than 3 million though?
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 11:21 a.m.
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    Didn't Kulikov make less than 3 million though?


    Yeah, Myers' cap hit is way bigger, but I would argue he's a slightly better player than Kulikov. Again, to circle back to the Coyotes, I think that the $1M salary:$6M cap hit is gonna be attractive to them, and I could see them treating it similarly to signing a dude for 1X$6M in UFA. They've got a ton of young D prospects (Moser, Soderstrom, Lamoroeux, Kolyachonok) that might be on the team next year so having a vet like Myers wouldn't hurt.

    Myers' buyout is also pretty terrible, so I could see a situation where the Canucks retain the $3M dead cap (cheaper than his $5.3M buyout) and send Myers to Arizona for half off, and then the Coyotes could shop him at the deadline as a $1.5M depth addition.

    Again, a super specific set of conditions in this hypothetical, which means it's more likely that Vancouver just rides out his deal.
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    Yup, they will have to pay to move him even at 50%, in the words of everyone who opposes a Leafs trade on here. No one is doing you any favors


    Leafs have no leverage in any trade, they are at the 50 contract slot and have 0 cap space. The Canucks do have cap space and aren't on a 50 contract slot
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    Nov. 30, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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    Quoting: Babatunde
    Leafs have no leverage in any trade, they are at the 50 contract slot and have 0 cap space. The Canucks do have cap space and aren't on a 50 contract slot


    And? Waive a guy and we are fine. You just don't get it ever
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 4:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    And? Waive a guy and we are fine. You just don't get it ever


    waive who tho
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 5:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Canucks123
    waive who tho


    Unlike some teams, the Leafs have a lot of good players they would lose if they hit the waiver wire. Malgin would be done in a second. So would Engvall. That's two guys without even thinking about it. Being at 50 contracts doesn't hurt you the way people want it to. Much like the Leafs being right to the cap. They don't have bad contracts, literally everyone on the team has value. We are lucky that we don't have guys like Myers making triple what he should. Being against the cap and having a bad contract like Myers takes away leverage. Not having a good player like Kerfoot who likely would get 5 million on the open market making 3.5.
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 5:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
    Unlike some teams, the Leafs have a lot of good players they would lose if they hit the waiver wire. Malgin would be done in a second. So would Engvall. That's two guys without even thinking about it. Being at 50 contracts doesn't hurt you the way people want it to. Much like the Leafs being right to the cap. They don't have bad contracts, literally everyone on the team has value. We are lucky that we don't have guys like Myers making triple what he should. Being against the cap and having a bad contract like Myers takes away leverage. Not having a good player like Kerfoot who likely would get 5 million on the open market making 3.5.


    ok there lol Mr. We Dont have any bad contracts
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 5:25 p.m.
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    ok there lol Mr. We Dont have any bad contracts


    We don't. And you think Myers has value. So obviously your opinion and reality are very far off.
    Nov. 30, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: dannibalcorpse
    Agree - I don't really ever buy the "they'll take him to get to the floor" argument in trades, but if Vancouver was gonna pay Myers' bonus and then ship him to a team like Arizona for FCs, I could easily see the Coyotes doing that. Basically the same as signing him to a 1x$6M AAV with only a $1M salary - I can hear Bill Zito drooling from here over that type of cap hit:dollars paid ratio.


    yeah what people dont realize is that owners actually do care about how much money they spend so if you are a budget team and can get a 6mil cap hit for 1mil in cash that is going to be worth something to the person who signs the checks.
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    Nov. 30, 2022 at 8:08 p.m.
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    flames wont do that
     
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