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The price for Josh Anderson

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Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 2, 2022
Published: Dec. 2, 2022
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Look you may not like Anderson or his contract but GM's all over the league covet this type of player. So this is the price to acquire Josh Anderson
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  1. Anderson, Josh
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The Devil's are one of the last teams in the league who will be looking to make such significant changes given their place in the standings and depth on the wings. Better targets would be Pittsburgh, Detroit, LA, Edmonton, Nashville, Calgary or Vancouver. I would have said Florida too but Montreal doesn't want to help them and decrease the value we get for their 2023 1st lol
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.
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I've said this in other threads (today even) but as much as NHL GMs do like big, power forwards, there are enough red flags here that I can't see anyone paying a ton of money to assume the last 4 years of that contract. Getting into the Josh Anderson business through his 33rd birthday is a recipe for disaster - in the 6 seasons he's been an NHL regular, he's missed 10+ games in 3 of those (including last year), and big, physical guys tend usually don't tend to get *more* durable as they age.

I really think a cautionary tale to look at for Anderson is Milan Lucic - similar archetypes as big power forwards with a stronger offensive game than your typical bruisers (Lucic more so than Anderson, obviously.) Lucic also had a longer track record of durability - hell, to date, the 2009-10 season remains the only year he's missed more than 10 games. Lucic's age-28 season looked more or less like what you'd expected out of him to that point: 23-27-50 in 82 GP.

The next 4 years for Lucic? 34, 23, 20, & 21 - these are his point totals in full seasons after he turned 29. Not saying that this guarantees Anderson's production will slow down, just saying his player type doesn't age gracefully. Even the all time best power forward types usually fall off after turning 30 - Kevin Stevens, John LeClair, Clark Gillies all saw huge drop offs and mounting injury concerns as they entered their 30s. That combined with the fact that Anderson has basically peaked as a 45-50 point type doesn't bode incredibly well for the back half of his deal.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.
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Would you do it for Tom Wilson?


Tom Wilson had 20 more points than Anderson, has consistently scored more goals over his career, can play defense, and was an All-Star last year.

They are not comparable.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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If we're assuming he's fully healthy then yeah probably, but Tom Wilson has scored 20 goals three of the last four seasons (and the one he didn't was the covid season, where he was still on pace for 20 goals). Anderson has not been nearly as consistent in recent years. Anderson was pretty good last year and Wilson still had 20 more points than him. He makes less, and for only one more year beyond this. He has solid defensive impacts when Anderson does not. They're similar players but one is performing better and isn't a commitment into a guy's thirties.


LMAO Anderson's last 3 years are 19 goals, 17 goals and 1 goal due to a major injury which he came back and proved was an outlier season. Also Anderson is once again on about a 20 goal pace this year (19) kind of being a little biased there aren't you? Also Wilson's cap hit is less than 400k less so it's not like he isn't in the same salary range LMAO, you make it sound like Anderson gets 2-3 mil more a year!
Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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I never made a Tom Wilson comparison...... And it's hard to compare to a current player who is on IR. Careers and play style are similar though.


someone did, might have been the OP. sorry for conflating y'all. regardless wilson is far better
Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
So then I imagine you think Wilson is an overpaid 3rd liner as well right?! Same age, same career numbers, same injury history, similar cap hit and same playing style.


Lol. The last 4 years Wilson has as many points as Anderson has had in his 9 year career. Averaging .66ppg. Anderson has averaged .44 as a Hab and that is his best stretch.

Wilson has 2 years left on a contract that he is underpaid on. Anderson has 5 left on a massively overpaid deal.

They are not the same.

Anderson is a long term cap liability.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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Comping Reeves to Anderson is like comping Suzuki to McDavid LMAO and Kostin's ceiling is not as high as you might like to believe, 23 years old 4 years since his draft and has only managed to put up 12 points in 54 NHL games, even his AHL numbers are not that impressive. A better comp would be Tom Wilson or Patrick Maroon, both at least have similar numbers to Anderson over their careers. Marroon is 0.41 PPG, Wilson has 0.42 PPG and Anderson has 0.43 PPG. Anderson is the same age as Wilson as well, do you think the Caps move Wilson for less than a 1st?


Wilson's total career is a bad comp for Anderson - his numbers are of course going to be deflated by his age-19 through -22 seasons, when Adam Oates and Barry Trotz were giving him 4th line minutes (in 313 GP over those 4 years he averaged 11:11 TOI). Since he started getting middle/top-6 minutes in 2017-18, he's scored at a 0.61 PPG pace (almost exactly 50 pts/82 GP.) Wilson's also making about $350K less than Anderson and is only signed through next year, not for 4 more years. Teams might pony up a 1st for a healthy Tom Wilson if he was made available because they're going to be able to move on after his age-29 season if they're concerned with his production. Anyone trading for Anderson would still have 3 more seasons with him if his production sucked this year and next.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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Was using it more as a comparable in the media talk way, experts say he has value and is a trade able asset, people on this site say he isn't, then he gets a decent return.

Happened with Chairot, is currently happening to Anderson


Media never said we could obtain two top-4 dmen with only a bottom-pair dman, and two 3rd rounders. Media said we’d get a 3rd rounder for Coleman, a late pick for Greene, Palmieri wouldn’t get a 1st.

None of those things are relevant here. Nor is anything anyone said about Chiarot for 1st or Petry deal or Romanov-for-Dach.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:53 a.m.
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I've said this in other threads (today even) but as much as NHL GMs do like big, power forwards, there are enough red flags here that I can't see anyone paying a ton of money to assume the last 4 years of that contract. Getting into the Josh Anderson business through his 33rd birthday is a recipe for disaster - in the 6 seasons he's been an NHL regular, he's missed 10+ games in 3 of those (including last year), and big, physical guys tend usually don't tend to get *more* durable as they age.

I really think a cautionary tale to look at for Anderson is Milan Lucic - similar archetypes as big power forwards with a stronger offensive game than your typical bruisers (Lucic more so than Anderson, obviously.) Lucic also had a longer track record of durability - hell, to date, the 2009-10 season remains the only year he's missed more than 10 games. Lucic's age-28 season looked more or less like what you'd expected out of him to that point: 23-27-50 in 82 GP.

The next 4 years for Lucic? 34, 23, 20, & 21 - these are his point totals in full seasons after he turned 29. Not saying that this guarantees Anderson's production will slow down, just saying his player type doesn't age gracefully. Even the all time best power forward types usually fall off after turning 30 - Kevin Stevens, John LeClair, Clark Gillies all saw huge drop offs and mounting injury concerns as they entered their 30s. That combined with the fact that Anderson has basically peaked as a 45-50 point type doesn't bode incredibly well for the back half of his deal.


+ Eriksson, Neal, Brouwer, Anisimov, Soderberg, Berglund, etc etc
Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Media never said we could obtain two top-4 dmen with only a bottom-pair dman, and two 3rd rounders. Media said we’d get a 3rd rounder for Coleman, a late pick for Greene, Palmieri wouldn’t get a 1st.

None of those things are relevant here. Nor is anything anyone said about Chiarot for 1st or Petry deal or Romanov-for-Dach.


to be fair Palmieri & Greene probably get lesser returns if Lou isn't hanging around playing Let's Remember Some Guys
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I never made a Tom Wilson comparison...... And it's hard to compare to a current player who is on IR. Careers and play style are similar though.


So are career ppg, Wilson has 0.42 Anderson is 0.43.
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chiarot had one year left and was a rental with the physical characteristics GMs dream of, even though he sucks and we saw that in florida and are seeing it again in detroit. anderson is getting paid far too much for far too long to have this kind of trade value. the tom wilson comparison you made is laughable, wilson is a far better player


BTW I was the one who comped Anderson and Wilson based on age, play style, ppg and contract values, which are all similar. The only reason Wilson is viewed as the better player is cause he plays on a better team and as a result is able to put up more points. You don't think Anderson could put up more points on Ovi's or Kuznetsov's wing?
Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:56 a.m.
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to be fair Palmieri & Greene probably get lesser returns if Lou isn't hanging around playing Let's Remember Some Guys


Lou is our sleeper cell.

(Next to be activated are Guerin, Verbeek, Shanahan…if only Kirk Muller had stayed on in Montreal)
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Tom Wilson had 20 more points than Anderson, has consistently scored more goals over his career, can play defense, and was an All-Star last year.

They are not comparable.


Yes, Wilson has scored more goals over his career (6 to be exact in 2 more seasons as a full time NHLer LMAO) and his career PPG totals are less than Anderson's. Wilson 0.42 PPG Anderson 0.43 PPG. You are letting your bias for Anderson show
Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:02 p.m.
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Wilson's total career is a bad comp for Anderson - his numbers are of course going to be deflated by his age-19 through -22 seasons, when Adam Oates and Barry Trotz were giving him 4th line minutes (in 313 GP over those 4 years he averaged 11:11 TOI). Since he started getting middle/top-6 minutes in 2017-18, he's scored at a 0.61 PPG pace (almost exactly 50 pts/82 GP.) Wilson's also making about $350K less than Anderson and is only signed through next year, not for 4 more years. Teams might pony up a 1st for a healthy Tom Wilson if he was made available because they're going to be able to move on after his age-29 season if they're concerned with his production. Anyone trading for Anderson would still have 3 more seasons with him if his production sucked this year and next.


Wilson will be extended though and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be for less than 5 Mil even on just a 3 or 4 year deal.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:02 p.m.
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LMAO Anderson's last 3 years are 19 goals, 17 goals and 1 goal due to a major injury which he came back and proved was an outlier season. Also Anderson is once again on about a 20 goal pace this year (19) kind of being a little biased there aren't you? Also Wilson's cap hit is less than 400k less so it's not like he isn't in the same salary range LMAO, you make it sound like Anderson gets 2-3 mil more a year!


Yeah those major injuries sure do seem to happen to Josh Anderson a lot huh? Makes you wonder if having a guy like that under contract until he's 33 is not a great idea.

400k is not meaningless in an era when everyone is up to the cap, but the thing that matters much more is that Wilson only has one year left. Neither of these guys are going to be good when they're in their thirties. Only one is signed in his thirties though. I'm not trading for Tom Wilson if he's got five more years left.

I'm a Blues fan, if there's anyone I'm likely to be biased against here it's noted concuss-the-Blues-in-the-preseason-guy Tom Wilson, not Josh Anderson. They're similar players. Wilson's the better player and his contract makes it a much more palatable buy.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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Wilson will be extended though and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be for less than 5 Mil even on just a 3 or 4 year deal.


and let me tell you: that will also be an awful deal. extending any physical power forward into their mid-30s is a huge risk that I would not be a fan of my team making, and I'm a fan of a team where one of those deals is actually not aging like sour milk...yet. (hi Anders Lee! love that 8-11-19 in 24 GP in your age-32 season, please keep doing that!!)
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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Yes, Wilson has scored more goals over his career (6 to be exact in 2 more seasons as a full time NHLer LMAO) and his career PPG totals are less than Anderson's. Wilson 0.42 PPG Anderson 0.43 PPG. You are letting your bias for Anderson show


Since Anderson signed in Montreal

JA: 142 gp, 41 g, 22 a, 63 pts, 0.44 ppg, -7.9 GAR
TW: 125 gp, 37 g, 48 a, 85 pts, 0.68 ppg, 20.7 GAR
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
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Wilson will be extended though and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be for less than 5 Mil even on just a 3 or 4 year deal.


Okay but now you're talking about something completely different. If someone gives up this package from Tom Wilson I'm saying "yeah that makes sense". If that same someone then turns around this summer and extends Tom Wilson for 4 years at 6 million I'm saying "oh I don't know if you should have done that!"
Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:14 p.m.
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So then I imagine you think Wilson is an overpaid 3rd liner as well right?! Same age, same career numbers, same injury history, similar cap hit and same playing style.


Wilson since 2018-19: 256 GP 80 G 89 A 169 PTS
21 Playoff GP 6 G 5 A 11 PTS

Anderson since 2018-19: 250 GP 69 G 45 A 114 PTS
32 Playoff GP 6 G 3 A 9 PTS

Wilson is far better and it’s not close
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 12:18 p.m.
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Yes, Wilson has scored more goals over his career (6 to be exact in 2 more seasons as a full time NHLer LMAO) and his career PPG totals are less than Anderson's. Wilson 0.42 PPG Anderson 0.43 PPG. You are letting your bias for Anderson show


If anyone's letting their bias for Anderson show, it's you by continuing to point to Wilson's career PPG without acknowledging that he spent the first 4 years of his career as a 4th liner getting barely over 11 minutes a night. If you're trying to compare the two, I don't think it's absurd to look at their numbers since 2017-18, which is when *both* players started getting top 6 minutes (Anderson averaged 11:57 in 90 GP before 2017-18 for what it's worth).

Wilson since 2017-18: 334 GP, 94-110-204, 0.61 PPG, 17:33 TOI. 3x20 goal scorer
Anderson since 2017-18: 313 GP, 88-56-144, 0.46 PPG, 16:57 TOI, 1x20 goal scorer

They score goals at similar rates, but that's it - Wilson has almost double the amount of assists in only 21 more GP (also noteworthy that Wilson would have to be out til sometime in January for Anderson to have as many GP since 2017-18, if you want to talk about durability.) Anderson also has a higher percentage of his minutes on the PP (1:42 PP/night vs 1:29 for Wilson.)

Wilson has clearly outplayed Anderson during their primes, and like I said upthread, I still would hesitate to take on Wilson through his 33rd birthday at $5.5M. These types of guys break down at that age range more often than not, and that deal is gonna turn into a massive cap dump or buyout target.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 1:07 p.m.
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Wilson since 2018-19: 256 GP 80 G 89 A 169 PTS
21 Playoff GP 6 G 5 A 11 PTS

Anderson since 2018-19: 250 GP 69 G 45 A 114 PTS
32 Playoff GP 6 G 3 A 9 PTS

Wilson is far better and it’s not close


55 points over 5 years is 11 points more per season, sorry that doesn't qualify as a significantly better even if you look at his goals 11 more over 5 years is 2.2 more per year isn't significantly better either. Now factor on Kuznetsov and Ovi and the gap narrows significantly more, so your narrative is flawed.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 1:12 p.m.
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Yes, Wilson has scored more goals over his career (6 to be exact in 2 more seasons as a full time NHLer LMAO) and his career PPG totals are less than Anderson's. Wilson 0.42 PPG Anderson 0.43 PPG. You are letting your bias for Anderson show


Anderson has had one season over 32 points. Wilson has had 5.
Wilson has scored over 20 goals in 3 of his last 4 years, despite not playing full seasons due to injury/Covid. Anderson has had one season in his career over 20 goals.
Wilson has actually improved in the last 4 seasons as he enters his prime. Anderson has regressed from a career year of 47 LMAO 4 years ago.

To say that Wilson did not start his career well would be an understatement, and we can converse about that all we want (I personally blame poor player management and forcing Wilson to be the fighter when he had incredible talent, as well as calling him up too soon when he should have spent more time in London and Hershey), but it is undeniable that Wilson is far better than Anderson is. To use career total stats would be disingenuous, as it heavily skews Wilson’s actual impact. As it stands, in the past few years and for the forseeable future, Wilson is and will be a far better player than Anderson.

They aren’t comparable.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.
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Anderson has had one season over 32 points. Wilson has had 5.
Wilson has scored over 20 goals in 3 of his last 4 years, despite not playing full seasons due to injury/Covid. Anderson has had one season in his career over 20 goals.
Wilson has actually improved in the last 4 seasons as he enters his prime. Anderson has regressed from a career year of 47 LMAO 4 years ago.

To say that Wilson did not start his career well would be an understatement, and we can converse about that all we want (I personally blame poor player management and forcing Wilson to be the fighter when he had incredible talent, as well as calling him up too soon when he should have spent more time in London and Hershey), but it is undeniable that Wilson is far better than Anderson is. To use career total stats would be disingenuous, as it heavily skews Wilson’s actual impact. As it stands, in the past few years and for the forseeable future, Wilson is and will be a far better player than Anderson.

They aren’t comparable.


1. Ok Anderson has one season over 32 points and Wilson has 5 but in 3 other seasons Anderson has had 29, 30 and 32 as well, so not a huge drop off there
2. Again Wilson scored 21-24 goals in 3 of the last 4 seasons sure, but Anderson wasn't far behind in that aspect either scoring 17, 19 and 27 goals in 3 out of his last 4 seasons as well as being on pace for 19 again this year.
3. Anderson's first 2 years in the league he played a total of 18 games so yeah I did account for Wilson playing 4th line minutes cause I included Anderson's first 2 seasons in the calculation for career numbers.
4. 55 points over 5 years is 11 points more per season, sorry that doesn't qualify as a significantly better even if you look at his goals 11 more over 5 years is 2.2 more per year isn't significantly better either. Now factor on Kuznetsov and Ovi and the gap narrows. Anderson has had good talent in PLD and Suzuki but they don't even come close to Ovi and Kuznetsov, also Anderson played the majority of his career in the middle or bottom 6 as well with significantly less talented players not the top line like Wilson. So career stats are a good enough measure to account for the beginning of Wilson's career.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 1:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
1. Ok Anderson has one season over 32 points and Wilson has 5 but in 3 other seasons Anderson has had 29, 30 and 32 as well, so not a huge drop off there
2. Again Wilson scored 21-24 goals in 3 of the last 4 seasons sure, but Anderson wasn't far behind in that aspect either scoring 17, 19 and 27 goals in 3 out of his last 4 seasons as well as being on pace for 19 again this year.
3. Anderson's first 2 years in the league he played a total of 18 games so yeah I did account for Wilson playing 4th line minutes cause I included Anderson's first 2 seasons in the calculation for career numbers.
4. 55 points over 5 years is 11 points more per season, sorry that doesn't qualify as a significantly better even if you look at his goals 11 more over 5 years is 2.2 more per year isn't significantly better either. Now factor on Kuznetsov and Ovi and the gap narrows. Anderson has had good talent in PLD and Suzuki but they don't even come close to Ovi and Kuznetsov, also Anderson played the majority of his career in the middle or bottom 6 as well with significantly less talented players not the top line like Wilson. So career stats are a good enough measure to account for the beginning of Wilson's career.


To your 4th point - I'd argue first that a player scoring 11 points more in a season is significantly better - a 50 point forward is a solid 2nd line player, while teams would be calling for a guy's head if he was a 2nd liner making 39 points (for example.) Wilson has clearly been more productive.

And to your point that Wilson has had better teammates? That could easily be read as Josh Anderson not making those around him better. If Anderson is only going to be as productive as his linemates, and not going to make *them* better instead, why am I paying premium assets for him?
Dec. 2, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
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To your 4th point - I'd argue first that a player scoring 11 points more in a season is significantly better - a 50 point forward is a solid 2nd line player, while teams would be calling for a guy's head if he was a 2nd liner making 39 points (for example.) Wilson has clearly been more productive.

And to your point that Wilson has had better teammates? That could easily be read as Josh Anderson not making those around him better. If Anderson is only going to be as productive as his linemates, and not going to make *them* better instead, why am I paying premium assets for him?


Take a look at the players list of players who scored 30-40 points last year, you will find many 2nd line wingers there and a few 1st liners, guys like Beauvillier, N. Roy, Brown, Domi, Backlund, E. Kane, Tuch, R. Smith, J. Toews, Wennberg, Iaffalo, Pacioretty, C. Smith, Zacha, W. Karlsson, Crouse, Milano, Heinen, Vatrano, Paul, Backstrom and Hayes. I would say that is quite the list of 2nd line forwards, BTW it is more of the 2nd line centers that teams would be calling for a guys head if they were producing at less than 30 points in the top 6.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
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1. Ok Anderson has one season over 32 points and Wilson has 5 but in 3 other seasons Anderson has had 29, 30 and 32 as well, so not a huge drop off there
2. Again Wilson scored 21-24 goals in 3 of the last 4 seasons sure, but Anderson wasn't far behind in that aspect either scoring 17, 19 and 27 goals in 3 out of his last 4 seasons as well as being on pace for 19 again this year.
3. Anderson's first 2 years in the league he played a total of 18 games so yeah I did account for Wilson playing 4th line minutes cause I included Anderson's first 2 seasons in the calculation for career numbers.
4. 55 points over 5 years is 11 points more per season, sorry that doesn't qualify as a significantly better even if you look at his goals 11 more over 5 years is 2.2 more per year isn't significantly better either. Now factor on Kuznetsov and Ovi and the gap narrows. Anderson has had good talent in PLD and Suzuki but they don't even come close to Ovi and Kuznetsov, also Anderson played the majority of his career in the middle or bottom 6 as well with significantly less talented players not the top line like Wilson. So career stats are a good enough measure to account for the beginning of Wilson's career.


Again, you're trying to make a comparison of their play now, using stats that skew due to the start of a players career doesn't work.
- Anderson having around 29, 30, 32 point seasons is consistent, but really isn't a credit to a player who played most of those seasons and is being payed 5.5 mil for the next 5 years. For Comparison, Conor Sheary scored 40 points playing around the lineup last year, and was being paid 1.5 million.
- Wilson scored more goals than Anderson despite a. Not being a goal scorer and b. not playing near full seasons.
- I'm saying that career points is not a good measure of trying to compare them now. Anderson had the better start to his career, but when you try and actually compare the two's play now, noone is going to care that Anderson did better in his first couple seasons, when both are in their late 20s and the NHL is a "what have you done for me lately" type of league.
- Wilson has also spent the majority of his career, if we want to talk career, not with Ovi and Kuzy as you claim. Though they did play together a majority of 2020, Wilson was rarely on the first line prior to that year (being passed up for Vrana, Burakovsky, and others, even Connolly occasionally), and played with Ovi and Kuzy much less last year and instead played with Oshie (and a revolving door of centers) for parts of the year due to a multitude of injuries (Washington would instead use Sheary, Protas, and Hathaway over Wilson). Wilson's stats are mostly his own, and decently higher than Anderson DESPITE not being someone who puts up large amounts of goals or points (in fact, he rarely even plays PP1 when everyone is healthy, passed up for better passers like Backstrom, Oshie, and Kuznetsov).
-Finally, Wilson has also improved in the last few years while Anderson hasn't. In his last three years, Wilson has improved, going from 44 in 68 games in 2019-20, to 33 in 47 (pace for 58) in 2020-21. Wilson is also far better defensively than Anderson (though not hard to out-pace Anderson's 16% defense rating on JFresh). It's hard to compare a 32 point winger who can't play defense to a 52 point All-Star who also plays much better defense and also throwing nearly 90 more hits while he's at it. Their overall career numbers are similar for a multitude of reasons, but to compare the two in their current state of play and contract, they are nowhere near similar.
 
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