The way Shesterkin has been playing this season, he's not even a top 10 goalie

Marner in the 20-30 tells me your opinion is not that informed

You have an atrocious opinion

Tage

no Meier?

Factual opinion lol

am I blind or is Pettersson not here?

No Suzuki ?

Best to keep “Tage being good” quiet my friend…if Leafers and Habsters knew how good he was, there’d be 20 underwhelming trades a day on here. Just enjoy the magic.

Hedman is way to low. He's the second best defenseman in the league by a mile and those who prefer experience could try to argue he's the best.

It may be time to see Crosby dropping a little further. Note I say may

Not sure shesterskin deserves to be that high

Why the heck is panarin so low. I'm not convinced there is a significant distance between kaprizov and panarin

I'm impressed your give saaros the love. I agree. I just don't see a lot give him the love he deserves

Ovi is too low

Do you think he should be lower? He's back to back #1 rw in the league.

In regards to higher? I suppose he could be in 15-20. But winger is the least valuable position. He admittedly drives play like a c but still

He's in 40-50

Do you think he's better than the guys in 40-50?

Easy top 15, most likely top 10 imo.
While I agree that value typically highest with centre than d, then wingers & goalies… exceptional players have huge impact no matter the position. Kane & Ovee both wingers but top 5 players in league in their prime. Marner and Kiprozov (and Kucherov) all deserve top 10 imo, bumping Crosby and shesterskin down to next 5

Tage = 1

higher or lower? genuinely don't know

51 imo

nah he aint better than the ppl i have at 40-50

how so?

Correct since no Habs

I'm a Leafs fan, big Marner fan but I think your overstating it. Ovi is either the best winger in my lifetime or second best (Jagr). Marner is not on his tier

Kane may be a more valid comparison, with less offense but more defense. He totally can drive a lines offense which is not a skill typical to wingers. Tavares and Kadri both had career years (Kadri since surpassed) playing with him. Check out kadris goals per season with and without Marner until last year. It's impressive

Regardless I don't think he can crack the top 10. Maybe 15ish.

He's not above (in no particular order):

The top C's
Matthews
Draisaitl
McDavid
MacKinnon

The best g in the league
Vasilevskiy

The best d
Makar
Hedman

The one w who is clearly better
Kucherov

So all of the above I won't even listen to discussions about. So at absolute best he's 9th

But I don't think he's better than Sid yet. I don't think he's ahead of kaprizov or panarin. Stone is one of the few wingers better defensively, but we can give the edge to Marner for health.

So with Sid, kaprizov and panarin ahead that's 12th

I'd put fox ahead, true #1 d are that important. So that's 13

I'm actually undercalling Bergeron for not mentioning him yet. As a Toronto sports fan I am so tired of Boston success across sports, but Bergeron is a unicorn. He's been between a 1b and good first line c offensively, but he has been in a tier of his own defensively for the last 10+ years. Like his impact defensively is insane. He likely should have challenged for Hart's over the years

So that's 15th

I'd put Barkov ahead
16th

Now we're likely in a fair tier for him with guys like

Marchand (has actually put up better offensive numbers and is quite good defensively)
Pastrnak (not the same defensively and perhaps similar points, but better goal scorer which is harder)
Robertson (hard to judge. He was a tier or two below entering the year but has been unstoppable. If he keeps this up he belongs with Kuch. But for now I'll leave him in this tier)
Tkachuk (different style player. But also drives offense like a boss from the wing)
Rantanen (with MacKinnon's injuries over the last few years at times has proven he can drive offense at this tier)
***Huberdeau (he is not playing like this this year, but last couple years he's like 5th in the league in points)
The next tier of d with McAvoy, Josi
The next tier of G's with shesterskin, Helle, Saaros
Perhaps Stammer.


As an aside I think Eichel re-enters that tier when he stays healthy for a season

All fair points, agree to disagree; but panarin - gimme a break

He's fifth in the league in scoring since joining new York (Marner is 7th but playing with Matthews).

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20222023&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Honestly I have panarin above kaprizov