I may have been exaggerating. But Wreckless had an original post that had two 1st going to MTL and then quickly deleted it and made this proposition before I could submit my original comment, so I got flustered. haha. Either way, IF, and that's a big IF, MTL does get a 1st for him it won't be in 2023. I can almost guarantee that. Probably not even 2024. The pick would probably have to be after the expiration of his contract. Chiarot is garbage and should be a lesson learned to all GM's around the league, not a guideline for LHD trades.

3 years ago he had 6 tk with 69 gv, hes just not that good, so his experience on winning teams isnt worth jack, and his personal life isnt affecting his play. hes had those horrible numbers for a few years now, he might be worth a 3rd

For those who think Chiarot is the exception and shouldn't have returned a 1st + and that Edmundson won't get a 1st + 2nd, I would like to remind you that Kulak who is a good bottom 4 D man but is no where near the same calibre as Chiarot returned a 2nd a struggling prospect and a 7th. Chiarot's return is on par with a middle pairing guy on a decent contract with retention. Eddy will return better than Chiarot (if he can remain healthy) Expect the return to be around a 1st + 2nd or good prospect. Using Edmonton as an example the return would be 2023 1st + Holloway or Schaefer, if we have to take back cap you can expect to upgrade the prospect to like Bourgault or Broberg depending on the amount of cap we take back (if it's just Foegle then maybe you just add a 3rd if it is Foegle and Puljujarvi or Barrie then the prospect is upgraded)

For those who think Chiarot is the exception and shouldn't have returned a 1st + and that Edmundson won't get a 1st + 2nd, I would like to remind you that Kulak who is a good bottom 4 D man but is no where near the same calibre as Chiarot returned a 2nd a struggling prospect and a 7th. Chiarot's return is on par with a middle pairing guy on a decent contract with retention. Eddy will return better than Chiarot (if he can remain healthy) Expect the return to be around a 1st + 2nd or good prospect. Using Edmonton as an example the return would be 2023 1st + Holloway or Schaefer, if we have to take back cap you can expect to upgrade the prospect to like Bourgault or Broberg depending on the amount of cap we take back (if it's just Foegle then maybe you just add a 3rd if it is Foegle and Puljujarvi or Barrie then the prospect is upgraded)

This is why I think Chiarot will be an exception rather than the rule. He's a terrible dman who FLA grossly overpaid for, so on one hand, will GM's learn or can you just never discount the fact that at least one GM could totally overvalue him?

I always love when people say they know things for sure. Don't tell you know for sure, because you don't. The market will dictate most of this, not the comparison to Chiarot. That's why EVERY deadline there are players who get more than they should and there players who get less than they should.

The biggest x-factor is never underestimating a GM who will overvalue. That's what it will come down to. Ed having term will affect his value because it will affect which teams target him. There are too many factors to say you know for sure. What I do is called guessing, because I nor you, have no idea yet.

Oh you like Tk vs Gv stats comps, Reilly had 19 tk and 75 gv in 19-20, in fact over the last 4 years Reilly has a takeaway to giveaway ratio of 84 to 214. Guess Reilly shouldn't even be in the ECHL!!! wow he is horrible!!!

Where did I say I knew anything I wrote? Also please reread that cause I said Kulak is the benchmark not Chiarot. Kulak's return was a 2nd + 7th and a D level prospect, are you trying to say Kulak is better than Eddy or Chiarot?

Where did I say I knew anything I wrote? Also please reread that cause I said Kulak is the benchmark not Chiarot. Kulak's return was a 2nd + 7th and a D level prospect, are you trying to say Kulak is better than Eddy or Chiarot?

Kulak is definitely better than Chiarot

That's irrelevant.

But neither can be the bench-mark because it's an entirely new market. Supply/Demand.

Edmundson having term may wind up hurting his chance of being dealt to a contender. Most contending teams are up against the cap, so depending on what their roster situation looks like next year it may cancel him out as a target entirely, and this will absolutely affect his value since there may only be a few teams in on him, not to mention the UFA market next year is pretty solid for dmen. Non-contending teams MAY think, why would I spend big futures when I can go shopping this off-season since there's no immediate need.

In a bubble? Sure, Edumndson is probably worth a 1st. Just far too many x-factors. I think the fact Ghost and Klingberg will be available will hurt his return.

Eddy having term means 2 playoff runs as opposed to just 1, and his cap hit is 3.5 Mil, it's much easier to move that kind of money (and cheaper) than it is to move 5+. Klingberg will return a 1st ++ for sure, I think teams are souring on Ghost though.

Right, but how many contending and playoff-bound teams have $3.5M in free cap space and/or roster space? Proration for the deadline is one thing, but next season?

Teams who have been reported to be interested in Edmundson can move money to fit him. Take Edmonton for example, Moving just Barrie or moving Foegle and Puljujarvi get the space needed and LA can move Arvidsson, teams can make these types of moves and often do to facilitate a trade they want to make.

Where are these reports?

Also, I edited my quote, so where are these reports that teams are souring on Ghost?

I never said there were reports of teams souring on Ghost, I said I think teams are to sour on Ghost. I could be wrong and probably am since I have not followed his progress much since the trade lol.

Then what could you be possibly basing that on to make a claim like that? You said you haven't followed his progress, but just making a guess based on absolutely nothing that teams are souring on him?

I'm not trying to flame you, but come on, man. Making a claim based what you think is happening in your mind?

No I get it, I simply based my opinion on some of the comments on here and other sites prior to the trade from Philly. I think if other GM's had valued him the Flyer's wouldn't have had to "dump" him on the Yotes.

Ghost is killing it this year and will have a very cap-friendly hit come the deadline.

For those who think Chiarot is the exception and shouldn't have returned a 1st + and that Edmundson won't get a 1st + 2nd, I would like to remind you that Kulak who is a good bottom 4 D man but is no where near the same calibre as Chiarot returned a 2nd a struggling prospect and a 7th. Chiarot's return is on par with a middle pairing guy on a decent contract with retention. Eddy will return better than Chiarot (if he can remain healthy) Expect the return to be around a 1st + 2nd or good prospect. Using Edmonton as an example the return would be 2023 1st + Holloway or Schaefer, if we have to take back cap you can expect to upgrade the prospect to like Bourgault or Broberg depending on the amount of cap we take back (if it's just Foegle then maybe you just add a 3rd if it is Foegle and Puljujarvi or Barrie then the prospect is upgraded)