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Created by: C_LGRW71

Team: 2022-23 Carolina Hurricanes

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 5, 2022

Published: Dec. 5, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

CAR

Additional Details:

imagine the canes didnt make this deal

CGY

CAR

1st and 3rd back, with lindholm, no need for kk

MTL

Kotkaniemi, Jesperi

Retained Salary Transactions

Ethan Bear: $400,000 (18.18%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$76,151,917	$112,500	$1,082,500	$6,348,083

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Svechnikov, Andrei $7,750,000$7,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 7	Aho, Sebastian $8,460,250$8,460,250 C UFA - 2	Teräväinen, Teuvo $5,400,000$5,400,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2
Martinook, Jordan $1,800,000$1,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000$4,850,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Necas, Martin $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW RFA - 2
Stastny, Paul $1,500,000$1,500,000 ($500,000$500K) C, LW NTC UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper $2,000,000$2,000,000 RW UFA - 1
Noesen, Stefan $762,500$762,500 LW, RW UFA - 2		Jarvis, Seth $894,167$894,167 ($500,000$500K) RW RFA - 2
	Drury, Jack $925,000$925,000 C RFA - 2
	Stepan, Derek $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Slavin, Jaccob $5,300,000$5,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Raanta, Antti $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1
Hanifin, Noah $1,237,500$1,237,500 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Pesce, Brett $4,025,000$4,025,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Kochetkov, Pyotr $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) G UFA - 1
Skjei, Brady $5,250,000$5,250,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Chatfield, Jalen $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2	Andersen, Frederik $4,500,000$4,500,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
De Haan, Calvin $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Kase, Ondrej $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW UFA - 1	Pacioretty, Max $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 1
		Gardiner, Jake $4,050,000$4,050,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1

Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:30 p.m.

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

Joined: May 2018

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Where is Meier?

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.

Lenny7

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I don't think we can sit here and ingnore the 3 very, very excellent seasons that Dougie Hamilton had for you guys...

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:36 p.m.

Black61

Joined: Sep. 2020

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You would be lucky to get a mid round pick for KK at this point. Nobody is giving up signifigant assets for a centre who has yet to even hit a .5 ppg pace in a season 5 years in (it would take a miracle for him to get there this year).

Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:44 p.m.

Just_A_Guess

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The whole KK debacle brings me great joy, only because it was done out of spite and no other reason.

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.

InRodWeTrust

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All good. Not trading KK. Get over it.

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Some people just like to see the world burn. Can’t wait for him to hold the Stanley Cup above his head.

Quoting: Just_A_Guess

The whole KK debacle brings me great joy, only because it was done out of spite and no other reason.

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 1:58 p.m.

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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In addition - the idea was solid of trading for Adam Fox and signing him. Since that didn’t happen, they parlayed that into 3 2nd round picks all under ELC (Jamieson Rees, Anttoni Honka & Noel Gunler). Time will tell on that…

Quoting: Lenny7

I don't think we can sit here and ingnore the 3 very, very excellent seasons that Dougie Hamilton had for you guys...

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 2:11 p.m.

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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You mention chase Meier, yet no Meier has been acquired.

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.

C_LGRW71

Thread Starter

Wingsfan92

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Quoting: Caniac555

Where is Meier?

i didnt mean to make that the title haha

Dec. 5, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.

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C_LGRW71

Thread Starter

Wingsfan92

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Quoting: Black61

yea i was just saying to reverse it and never do it

Dec. 5, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.

#11

GMBL

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Edited Dec. 5, 2022 at 2:53 p.m.

Quoting: Just_A_Guess

The whole KK debacle brings me great joy, only because it was done out of spite and no other reason.

Quoting: Caniac555

Some people just like to see the world burn. Can’t wait for him to hold the Stanley Cup above his head.

I like that Bergervin had the guts to offer sheet Aho, but that Waddell came back and even trolled him with $20 signing bonus, not to mention the Canes' Twitter admin's trolling. Will be interesting to see how it turns out for both squads in the long run. Right now, Canadiens' fans are elated and feel like they got the last laugh but who knows.

Personally, I hope KK sticks it to Habs fans (not by winning the cup though) but that Mesar also turns out to be a stud for them, so that it's ultimately a wash or win-win for both clubs. Perhaps then more teams would be willing to risk giving an offer sheet.

Quoting: C_LGRW71

i didnt mean to make that the title haha

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.

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Just_A_Guess

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Quoting: Caniac555

Some people just like to see the world burn. Can’t wait for him to hold the Stanley Cup above his head.

If y'all win a cup so he can hoist it, it won't be because he did anything to get you there.

Dec. 5, 2022 at 4:15 p.m.

#13

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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We will see

Quoting: Just_A_Guess

If y'all win a cup so he can hoist it, it won't be because he did anything to get you there.

Dec. 5, 2022 at 4:32 p.m.

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Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Well the breakdown of the offer sheet comp is more complicated, Mescar was the Toffoli trade with CGY, not the Canes.

Montreal trades KK + 2024 2nd round pick for Dvorak + 2022 3rd (Engstrom)

Quoting: GMBL

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 4:42 p.m.

#15

GMBL

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Quoting: Caniac555

Well the breakdown of the offer sheet comp is more complicated, Mescar was the Toffoli trade with CGY, not the Canes.

Montreal trades KK + 2024 2nd round pick for Dvorak + 2022 3rd (Engstrom)

Oh right, totally forgot about that. So, in the end if it ends up being a wash, it's going to be Aho who will get the last laugh.

Dec. 5, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.

#16

Caniac555

Hurricane Waddell

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Correct because he benefited from the 5 year term on the OS walking him right to UFA at a young age

Quoting: GMBL

Oh right, totally forgot about that. So, in the end if it ends up being a wash, it's going to be Aho who will get the last laugh.

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Dec. 5, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.

#17

evelutions2

Lets Get Kraken

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I’m still a believer that if Rod was brought in sooner, that trade never happens. With how much success Lindholm has had under Sutter, he probably would have had as much if not more success under Rod. That being said, he wouldn’t have Gaudreau and Tkachuk flanking him, which definitely helped pad Lindholm’s stats. But only time will tell.

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