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Aggressive Sell Deadline

Created by: TMLBRIAN
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 7, 2022
Published: Dec. 7, 2022
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I still think this is what Vancouver should do before the deadline.

I believe all these trades make sense for all parties involved. Colorado fans disagree with me and say "this isn't a Sakic type of move" and fair enough. But I see Colorado being the number one best spot for Horvat. It fits like a glove in my mind. Please let me know any other possible teams you think would be a fit for Horvat.

I would try to stay on as good as terms as possible with Schenn, Kuzmenko and Horvat and try to resign 1 or all 3 of them in the off season.

I would probably trade 2-3 of these first rounders for specific building blocks like a right d man around the deadline. I would draft with 1-2 of them.

Thoughts?
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Top 10 protected
2.
VAN
  1. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Top 10 protected
3.
VAN
  1. Olausson, Oskar
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
top 10 protected
COL
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)
  2. 2023 4th round pick (VAN)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$75,404,584$1,250,000$1,232,500$7,095,416
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 2
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$891,667$891,667 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 2
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$883,750$883,750 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
RW
RFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 2
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3

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Dec. 7, 2022 at 2:53 a.m.
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There’s a reason that no team ever has 4 1st rounders be more realistic
Dec. 7, 2022 at 3:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
There’s a reason that no team ever has 4 1st rounders be more realistic


It is very rare for sure. But what about this is not realistic?

I can see Vancouver and/or ST Louis having up to that many this year if they choose to sell.
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 3:22 a.m.
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I'd rather re-sign Horvat than trade him for that. The other ones look good though.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 3:28 a.m.
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I'd rather re-sign Horvat than trade him for that. The other ones look good though.


Olausson is a 2021 1st round pick (if you didn't know who he was) - Solid prospect + 1st + 3rd. Maybe remove the 4th going back to Colorado?

But yes I suggested that they trade all 3 guys and try to sign all of them in the offseason as well.

To be competitive I think Vancouver really needs to sell these guys and then hope to get 1-2 of them back. So then they have the assets and the player. I think it's possible for sure.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:03 a.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Olausson is a 2021 1st round pick (if you didn't know who he was) - Solid prospect + 1st + 3rd. Maybe remove the 4th going back to Colorado?

But yes I suggested that they trade all 3 guys and try to sign all of them in the offseason as well.

To be competitive I think Vancouver really needs to sell these guys and then hope to get 1-2 of them back. So then they have the assets and the player. I think it's possible for sure.


I know who Olausson is, but the Canucks don't need wingers, especially left handed ones. If we're moving Horvat we have to address an organizational weakness and this move doesn't.

Planning on re-signing UFAs after trading them is a terrible bet to make given the implications it has on the entire organization. It's also very unlikely in the first place. And given that Kuzmenko chose to come to Vancouver (as a package deal with Mikheyev essentially and also specifically to play with Pettersson) the organization would have a lot to lose reputation wise by moving him in the first place. Consider also that he's been a great fit with Pettersson and keeping him as a linemate could be useful in convincing Pettersson to sign long term. Schenn is the only one that has a high probability than normal of re-signing after a hypothetical deal since he's done so with Vancouver prior.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 6:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Canucks33
I'd rather re-sign Horvat than trade him for that. The other ones look good though.


Don't worry your little cotton socks anyway. The Avs would almost certainly decline that trade.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 6:15 a.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Olausson is a 2021 1st round pick (if you didn't know who he was) - Solid prospect + 1st + 3rd. Maybe remove the 4th going back to Colorado?

But yes I suggested that they trade all 3 guys and try to sign all of them in the offseason as well.

To be competitive I think Vancouver really needs to sell these guys and then hope to get 1-2 of them back. So then they have the assets and the player. I think it's possible for sure.


Which is also why Colorado won't give you that for a rental so you can re-sign Horvat afterwards.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 9:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
There’s a reason that no team ever has 4 1st rounders be more realistic


Isles did it in 1999.

Tim Connolly
Taylor Pyatt
Branislav Mezei
Kristian Kudroc

Yeah, it's incredibly unlikely any team has four 1st round picks. But not unrealistic.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 9:28 a.m.
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if boeser was put on waivers, ill wouldn't claim him. So why would they give up a 1st in one of best drafts in a decade?
Dec. 7, 2022 at 9:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
There’s a reason that no team ever has 4 1st rounders be more realistic


The Avs had 4 1st rd picks in 98.
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 9:43 a.m.
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Absolutely not by the avs
And it’s not avs fans who are disagree with your horvat idea

It’s time to move on my man, it’s not going to work no matter what
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 9:44 a.m.
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COL can’t re-sign Horvat, it’s called a cap. Does he fit yes, does he fit under the cap no not even trading Girard for pure futures creates the cap space for Horvat at $7M knowing they have to sign Byram, Newhook, 5 bottom 6 forwards, and at least one probably two dmen.
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 10:06 a.m.
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Isles are not giving a 1st rounder.... no chance
Dec. 7, 2022 at 1:01 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
Absolutely not by the avs
And it’s not avs fans who are disagree with your horvat idea

It’s time to move on my man, it’s not going to work no matter what


Well I did ask for people opinions on alternative teams and no one has given me any others :P
Dec. 7, 2022 at 1:04 p.m.
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if boeser was put on waivers, ill wouldn't claim him. So why would they give up a 1st in one of best drafts in a decade?


It's also the combination that Bailey is also included, as he would be expensive to dump on his own. Boeser does have 16 points in 20 games which is not bad. He is a minus 4 billion though which is not great (I know plus minus isn't the end all be all but when you are that low it's really not great). Boeser is still young and seems to be good for 20 goals + an 25-30+ assists. He seems to be hurt every year for a bit though. He would be closer to a 25-30 guy + 30-35 if he was playing full seasons. Either way he would be an upgrade offensively on Bailey. Since the pick is top 10 protected, I would contemplate this if I were New York Isles.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 1:07 p.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
It's also the combination that Bailey is also included, as he would be expensive to dump on his own. Boeser does have 16 points in 20 games which is not bad. He is a minus 4 billion though which is not great (I know plus minus isn't the end all be all but when you are that low it's really not great). Boeser is still young and seems to be good for 20 goals + an 25-30+ assists. He seems to be hurt every year for a bit though. He would be closer to a 25-30 guy + 30-35 if he was playing full seasons. Either way he would be an upgrade offensively on Bailey. Since the pick is top 10 protected, I would contemplate this if I were New York Isles.


The isles will have close to 15 mill in cap space by the deadline , no reason to use a 1st to get rid of Bailey. This is like giving up clutterbuck and a 1st for Kerfoot, sure Kerfoot is a slight upgrade but he’s still just a 3rd liner.

Boeser has been a 3rd liner the past two seasons, teams dont give up 1sts for that kind of player. Boeser is worth around 3-3.5 mill per and the isles would would have to pay him double until 2026

The isles could send future considerations to the Habs for Dadonov who’s better than Boeser and they wouldn’t have to remove anyone from the roster
Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.
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It is very rare for sure. But what about this is not realistic?

I can see Vancouver and/or ST Louis having up to that many this year if they choose to sell.


NYI says no thanks , also most teams that have the players to get them many picks aren’t doing a fire sale.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:10 p.m.
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Quoting: slapshot723
Isles did it in 1999.

Tim Connolly
Taylor Pyatt
Branislav Mezei
Kristian Kudroc

Yeah, it's incredibly unlikely any team has four 1st round picks. But not unrealistic.


You’ve proved my point you bring me an example from 25 years ago and then tell me that it’s not unrealistic? I mean that’s pretty much the definition
Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:19 p.m.
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The Avs had 4 1st rd picks in 98.


Yup and someone mentioned the isles had 4 in ‘99 but that’s the point it hasn’t happened in a quarter century. Also were any of those picks traded for on draft day like moving up from 35 to 25 or something like that.
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Islesforthecup
Yup and someone mentioned the isles had 4 in ‘99 but that’s the point it hasn’t happened in a quarter century. Also were any of those picks traded for on draft day like moving up from 35 to 25 or something like that.


Not the COL ones, they had them before the draft because speculation at the time was they would trade all 4 for Lecavalier.
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