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VAN deal for a run

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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 7, 2022
Published: Dec. 7, 2022
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Muzzin on LTIR for remainder of year
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3$850,000
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2023
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2024
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23$82,500,000$80,098,746$212,500$0$2,401,254

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Left WingCentreRight Wing
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LW
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
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$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$840,630$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
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LD/RD
NTC
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 3:36 p.m.
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This team kills me
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might want to see if knies is available...
Dec. 7, 2022 at 3:44 p.m.
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Kerfoot and Holl are cap dumps, Take far more than Robertson+Niemela+Late 1st round pick to get Bo Horvat out of Vancouver. Basically any 7-8 other teams that have interest in Horvat blow that offer away.
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Kerfoot and Holl are cap dumps, Take far more than Robertson+Niemela+Late 1st round pick to get Bo Horvat out of Vancouver. Basically any 7-8 other teams that have interest in Horvat blow that offer away.


Major overpay for Horvat:
1/ he’s a rental
2/ every team interested would offer late 1st rounder, that’s how the league works
3/ Robertson & Niemela are 2 of our top 5 prospects
4/ Kerfoot aded to make $ balance, i’m assuming - he’s far from a cap dump
5/ prefer Holl to Schenn any day so just delete them from package


Leafs would be crazy to offer this for Horvat, who’d be 3C and on 2PP. There’s no precedent for this type of return for a player like Horvat. If a team wants to out bid this, feel free - smh
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:24 p.m.
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Major overpay for Horvat:
1/ he’s a rental
2/ every team interested would offer late 1st rounder, that’s how the league works
3/ Robertson & Niemela are 2 of our top 5 prospects
4/ Kerfoot aded to make $ balance, i’m assuming - he’s far from a cap dump
5/ prefer Holl to Schenn any day so just delete them from package


Leafs would be crazy to offer this for Horvat, who’d be 3C and on 2PP. There’s no precedent for this type of return for a player like Horvat. If a team wants to out bid this, feel free - smh


Just wanted to point out that the fact that Niemela and Robertson are 2 of the Leafs top 5 prospects, doesn't automatically make them trade pieces of great value.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Luguber
Just wanted to point out that the fact that Niemela and Robertson are 2 of the Leafs top 5 prospects, doesn't automatically make them trade pieces of great value.


That’s fair; of course teams determine which package is the most attractive incl potential of incoming prospects . No team can easily ship out 2 of their top 5 prospects and Leafs prospect pool is rated between 10-15, well ahead of Canucks.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Kerfoot and Holl are cap dumps, Take far more than Robertson+Niemela+Late 1st round pick to get Bo Horvat out of Vancouver. Basically any 7-8 other teams that have interest in Horvat blow that offer away.


Holl is hardly a cap dump 24 minutes a night one the team with 3rd best GAA.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Holl is hardly a cap dump 24 minutes a night one the team with 3rd best GAA.


Kinda silly to trade away three prospects for a rental Horvat, especially when centre isn't a weakness for the Leafs. What is this illusion that Schenn is better than Holl.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:50 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Holl is hardly a cap dump 24 minutes a night one the team with 3rd best GAA.


Yeah he's getting 24 minutes because your blue line is decimated with all of your injuries. Heck in Detroit he's a bottom pairing RD at best.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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Yeah he's getting 24 minutes because your blue line is decimated with all of your injuries. Heck in Detroit he's a bottom pairing RD at best.


A think the injuries prove how valuable Holl has been. What is it, last 7 games, five wins, two overtime loses, five games on the road. Yes when Brodie is back, his minutes will be cut back to 20.
But c'mon you gave a non factual critique of Holl.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 4:59 p.m.
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A think the injuries prove how valuable Holl has been. What is it, last 7 games, five wins, two overtime loses, five games on the road. Yes when Brodie is back, his minutes will be cut back to 20.
But c'mon you gave a non factual critique of Holl.


Hardly, Holl is a dime a dozen bottom pairing RD who's getting 24 minutes a night due to injuries. You'd be lucky to get a 5th or 6th pick for him at the TDL. That's just pure fact.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:07 p.m.
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Hardly, Holl is a dime a dozen bottom pairing RD who's getting 24 minutes a night due to injuries. You'd be lucky to get a 5th or 6th pick for him at the TDL. That's just pure fact.


He is getting four minutes a night more to do injuries. Please don't use that silly argument for a Dman who has regular played more than 20 minutes a night even when all the right side dmen are back.
If you hadn't noticed, the Leafs are missing their top top minute eating Dmen on the left side, Reilly and Muzzin. So that's increased the minutes for Giordano and Sandin and Mete.
Please the only RHD with a good maybe very good season is Hrovak. Certainly the others have been fine and due to their age will be get better. But to say Holl hasn't been playing well is just an unknowledgeable statement.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:19 p.m.
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He is getting four minutes a night more to do injuries. Please don't use that silly argument for a Dman who has regular played more than 20 minutes a night even when all the right side dmen are back.
If you hadn't noticed, the Leafs are missing their top top minute eating Dmen on the left side, Reilly and Muzzin. So that's increased the minutes for Giordano and Sandin and Mete.
Please the only RHD with a good maybe very good season is Hrovak. Certainly the others have been fine and due to their age will be get better. But to say Holl hasn't been playing well is just an unknowledgeable statement.


Where did i ever say that Holl wasn't playing well? All i'm saying is that i don't care if he's getting this 24 minute crap. Around the league his value just isn't that high it's not me saying but people in the know who know more about him than you and i. like i said on most teams he's a serviceable bottom pairing RD on 30 teams in this league.
Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:47 p.m.
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Where did i ever say that Holl wasn't playing well? All i'm saying is that i don't care if he's getting this 24 minute crap. Around the league his value just isn't that high it's not me saying but people in the know who know more about him than you and i. like i said on most teams he's a serviceable bottom pairing RD on 30 teams in this league.


Here's your quote. "Kerfoot and Holl are cap dumps," So you think a 2m RHD who plays 20m minutes a night on the fourth best team in league, 3rd in GAA, isn't worth his contract? Geez, you're not moving off that statement.
He's certainly better than a bottom pair Dman on 30 teams in the NHL as you wrote.

You must be trolling. Good bye.
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Dec. 7, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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Where did i ever say that Holl wasn't playing well? All i'm saying is that i don't care if he's getting this 24 minute crap. Around the league his value just isn't that high it's not me saying but people in the know who know more about him than you and i. like i said on most teams he's a serviceable bottom pairing RD on 30 teams in this league.


“People in the know” , classic tearsofjoy .
Leafs with Holl playing 24+ minutes are 3rd in league, xGA per 60. Wings are 14th but your dmen are better tears of joy tears of joy
Dec. 7, 2022 at 6:24 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Holl is hardly a cap dump 24 minutes a night one the team with 3rd best GAA.


Myers was playing like 22+ minutes a night last year on a team with the 8th best GAA.
Dec. 8, 2022 at 2:59 p.m.
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might want to see if knies is available...


Don't get greedy. This offer is fair for a rental.
Dec. 8, 2022 at 3:00 p.m.
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Kerfoot and Holl are cap dumps, Take far more than Robertson+Niemela+Late 1st round pick to get Bo Horvat out of Vancouver. Basically any 7-8 other teams that have interest in Horvat blow that offer away.


This offer is fair for a rental. If you think you are getting 1st Rd picks and 3 top prospects, you are dreaming
Dec. 8, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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Major overpay for Horvat:
1/ he’s a rental
2/ every team interested would offer late 1st rounder, that’s how the league works
3/ Robertson & Niemela are 2 of our top 5 prospects
4/ Kerfoot aded to make $ balance, i’m assuming - he’s far from a cap dump
5/ prefer Holl to Schenn any day so just delete them from package


Leafs would be crazy to offer this for Horvat, who’d be 3C and on 2PP. There’s no precedent for this type of return for a player like Horvat. If a team wants to out bid this, feel free - smh


So I think this is what it would take to get a 27 yr old C who can score, penalty kill and be the best 3rd line C in the league. It is a lot to give up and the leafs would need to think that they could resign him if they went this route. I think the biggest need is a proper 3rd line C for this team. I like Schenn more than Holl b/c he provides more hitting, grit and toughness.
Dec. 8, 2022 at 3:07 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Kerfoot and Holl are cap dumps, Take far more than Robertson+Niemela+Late 1st round pick to get Bo Horvat out of Vancouver. Basically any 7-8 other teams that have interest in Horvat blow that offer away.


So Kerfoot and Holl replace the slots for Horvat and Schenn this year and are UFAS. Van might want to resign them if they play well (Kerf is from VAN). They make the money cap balance for the deal. Essentially, the deal is a 1st, top LW prospect, top Right handed D prospect for a rental and a 33 yr old D man. This deal is more than fair value.
Dec. 8, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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So I think this is what it would take to get a 27 yr old C who can score, penalty kill and be the best 3rd line C in the league. It is a lot to give up and the leafs would need to think that they could resign him if they went this route. I think the biggest need is a proper 3rd line C for this team. I like Schenn more than Holl b/c he provides more hitting, grit and toughness.


Leafs can’t resign him, not without making major sacrifices elsewhere so he’d be a true rental.
We have PP1 & PK1 covered - not areas of need.
Horvat is good but price you show is too high and I seriously doubt Canucks will get that, but time will tell.
To each his own, but Holl > Schenn imo so no interest in that trade.
Dec. 8, 2022 at 3:19 p.m.
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Don't get greedy. This offer is fair for a rental.


well a player of horvat's calibre is rarely available, hes one of the best 2C's in the league, and would be a 1C on half the teams in the league, So we have the leverage and also there will be a bidding war on him
Dec. 8, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: MSZUDY21
This offer is fair for a rental. If you think you are getting 1st Rd picks and 3 top prospects, you are dreaming


Unless he wants to test free agency, The odds of him being a rental are pretty slim.
 
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