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Created by: ragger_lord

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 9, 2022

Published: Dec. 9, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

VAN

Parayko, Colton

STL

Boeser, Brock

Additional Details:

Both teams take a gamble on players making equally money that are in need of a scenery change.

Parayko undoubtedly plays the more valuable position, but his contract carries a lot more risk than Boesers.

VAN

Zaitsev, Nikita
2023 2nd round pick (OTT)

OTT

Myers, Tyler

Additional Details:

This deal was rumoured a while back. Myers is MUCH better than Zaitsev so Ott adds a pick.

VAN

Kapanen, Kasperi
2023 3rd round pick (NJD)

PIT

Garland, Conor

Additional Details:

Cap space and IDK, seems like something pitt would do

VAN

Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (CAR)
2023 2nd round pick (CAR)

CAR

Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Bo's gotta go somewhere for something

VAN

Clarke, Brandt

LAK

Additional Details:

I dunno I'm running out of steam here but these are 2 guys I think the Canucks should move on from while they still have shine as prospects.

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Bo Horvat: $2,750,000 (66.67%)

Buried

Nikita Zaitsev: $3,375,000 ($4,500,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$82,500,000	$73,406,667	$1,250,000	$1,315,000	$9,093,333

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kuzmenko, Andrei $950,000$950,000 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 3	Höglander, Nils $891,667$891,667 ($300,000$300K) LW, RW RFA - 1
Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 2	Åman, Nils $883,750$883,750 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 2	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2
Dries, Sheldon $762,500$762,500 C UFA - 2	Karlsson, Linus $883,750$883,750 ($82,500$82K) RW RFA - 2	Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Parayko, Colton $6,500,000$6,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 8	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 2
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5		Delia, Collin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 2	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 4	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
	Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 3
		Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:23 p.m.

xercuses

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Blues say no obviously

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Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:24 p.m.

Mr_Gardoki

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Man, You Nucks fans have been very generous to the Pens as of late. It's a nice 180 from all the terrible Marino trades lol.

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Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:32 p.m.

palhal

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NTC Parayko says no to Vancouver. Don't know if Sens can afford the cap difference. Almost giving Garland away...at least on the ice value, but maybe the long term cap is the reason.
Going to be interesting for Horvat's value. Depends on how may teams are looking for a rental centre. Seems like a steep price to me.

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:37 p.m.

ragger_lord

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Quoting: palhal

Parayko and Zaitsevs NTC's make the trades difficult. I haven't looked at Ott's situation but I'm sure they could squeeze out a mil.

Long term cap is definitely the reason for Garland. Many Canuck fans will disagree but I really don't think he brings much to the team, and that extra almost 5mil in the year Petterson expires is worth taking a hit for on ice value.

Imo the bare minimum for Horvat is a first and a prospect. Thats what Giroux got and he could effectively only be traded to one team.

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Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:42 p.m.

mokumboi

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Parayko doesn;t need a change of scenery (not even sure how you got that idea), and even if he did this offer is laughable.

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:44 p.m.

ragger_lord

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Quoting: mokumboi

Parayko doesn;t need a change of scenery (not even sure how you got that idea), and even if he did this offer is laughable.

I've seen folks on your subreddit suggest you would have to attach late-round picks to move him.

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Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:45 p.m.

palhal

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Quoting: ragger_lord

Parayko and Zaitsevs NTC's make the trades difficult. I haven't looked at Ott's situation but I'm sure they could squeeze out a mil.

Long term cap is definitely the reason for Garland. Many Canuck fans will disagree but I really don't think he brings much to the team, and that extra almost 5mil in the year Petterson expires is worth taking a hit for on ice value

I wonder if teams would (didn't shouldn't) give up good futures for rental. Rarely makes any difference. Horvat's shooting percentage is abnormally high this season and almost half his points are on the PP. We'll see if his good /very good season can continue..

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:50 p.m.

ragger_lord

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Quoting: palhal

I'm not a fan personally of giving up big assets for rentals but teams do it every year so we will see.

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Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:53 p.m.

Tennisman142

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Blues decline. Why would we make our defense worse? If we are trading Parayko it will be for picks and prospects and signal a complete 3-5 year rebuild, in which case getting Boeser does nothing for us.

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:53 p.m.

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InRodWeTrust

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Please stop already

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:56 p.m.

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Quoting: InRodWeTrust

Please stop already

thank you for your extremely insightful comment. I'm sure you're very smart.

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Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:58 p.m.

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I was insightful the first couple dozen times with this trade scenario. Now I'm just succinct. That's all I got at this point.

Dec. 9, 2022 at 9:58 p.m.

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Carolina tells you firmly to get lost. Morrow is untouchable, even for an extended Bo Horvat. He was untouchable for Miller, is untouchable for Horvat, Garland, Schenn, Hoglander, whatever else. There's not a Canuck the Canes would be content moving Morrow for. A 1st and a 2nd for Morrow half retained? Maybe that makes sense for Carolina. You're unlikely to get anything more from the Canes. Feel free to find a new team to dump him on because the Canes have bigger holes than 3C and that is what Horvat would address.

Dec. 9, 2022 at 10:03 p.m.

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Bo's not going somewhere for that something i can tell you that

Dec. 9, 2022 at 11:17 p.m.

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mokumboi

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Quoting: ragger_lord

I've seen folks on your subreddit suggest you would have to attach late-round picks to move him.

Those people are delusional idiots. Anybody who'd say that doesn't have a clue. And yes, our fan base is riddled with such people.

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Dec. 10, 2022 at 6:53 a.m.

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Quoting: mokumboi

Parayko doesn;t need a change of scenery (not even sure how you got that idea), and even if he did this offer is laughable.

Parayko's contract is terrible. 2nd pair defensemen shouldn't cost 6.5M against the cap. You're out of your mind if you think he's a positive asset at all

Dec. 10, 2022 at 6:53 a.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: xercuses

Blues say no obviously

No, they take that and run

Dec. 10, 2022 at 6:54 a.m.

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Quoting: Tennisman142

Blues would be wise to relieve themselves of that Parayko deal if they get the chance to

Dec. 10, 2022 at 10:05 a.m.

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Quoting: Knuckl3s

Blues would be wise to relieve themselves of that Parayko deal if they get the chance to

IF we wanted to get rid of it we would trade him for picks and prospects and a 1-2 year cap dump. Not a roster player who we don't need

Dec. 10, 2022 at 10:06 a.m.

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xercuses

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Quoting: Knuckl3s

No, they take that and run

😂😂😂
Absolutely not, scarifice our number 1 dman for a 2nd pairing scoring winger not at all

Maybe Schenn, Boeser retained down to 4 mil and garland for Parakyo May work but without picks going to Stl I doubt it

Dec. 10, 2022 at 11:55 a.m.

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Myers is MUCH better than Zaitsev

No

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Ottawa is not adding 1.5 AAV while giving up a 2nd for a lateral movement at the very best. The only threat is their GM sometimes has no idea what he is doing

Dec. 10, 2022 at 12:23 p.m.

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Quoting: xercuses

Blues say no obviously

Quoting: mokumboi

Parayko doesn;t need a change of scenery (not even sure how you got that idea), and even if he did this offer is laughable.

I don’t really like this trade, but you both have your heads in the sand if you don’t acknowledge that Parayko is a shell of his former self, and the Blues have a lot of undesirable contracts on their hands

Dec. 10, 2022 at 1:15 p.m.

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xercuses

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Quoting: noted

I never said that, yea I don’t think he’s as good as he was but he’s still our number one Dman

Dec. 10, 2022 at 1:15 p.m.

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Quoting: noted

Regardless of what people think of Parayko's play (and I never said they were always wrong, but they are sure overwrought routinely), there's other elements at play. How do you replace him? What does that cost? Meanwhile, Boeser's good and all, but he's not really a need and he costs more than Parayko. Any way you slice it, he doesn;t "need a change of scenery" - he needs a proper partner instead of the human brain nap that is Leddy.

Dec. 13, 2022 at 4:42 a.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: xercuses

Parayko isn't a number 1 dman

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