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Accumulating as many firsts as reasonable

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Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 13, 2022
Published: Dec. 13, 2022
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Could get more picks if we shipped out horvat and Demko as well but my plan is to resign bo, might need to tag on a pick to garland or miller but nothing a magical 3rd round pick cant fix
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  1. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (PHI)
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any contender, 1st and prospect
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  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
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NYI get the far better player, van get the pick
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  1. 2023 1st round pick (STL)
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Dont care where, we can take back bad cap if you pay a bit extra, dont come at me saying not the blues
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  1. Johansen, Ryan
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NSH)
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21$82,500,000$69,797,917$1,250,000$1,232,500$12,702,083
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$750,000$750,000
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UFA - 3
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Dec. 14, 2022 at 12:01 a.m.
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Highly optimistic & I’m sure others will post on this much differently. Be ready lol
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Dec. 14, 2022 at 12:11 a.m.
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Highly optimistic & I’m sure others will post on this much differently. Be ready lol


yea JT aint going anywhere

Garland is just weird to assess. I think some GMs might pay a first? but fans don't seem to share that sentiment. I would rather wait for him to rebound.

Brock trade is too optimistic

Kuzmenko may pull a really late first but i think 2nd 3rd is more likely.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 12:28 a.m.
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yea JT aint going anywhere

Garland is just weird to assess. I think some GMs might pay a first? but fans don't seem to share that sentiment. I would rather wait for him to rebound.

Brock trade is too optimistic

Kuzmenko may pull a really late first but i think 2nd 3rd is more likely.


I think with the right pressure on the team they could all pull a 1st, and I wouldnt sleep on JT staying, if bo goes, I could see JT wanting out too
Dec. 14, 2022 at 1:28 a.m.
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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
I think with the right pressure on the team they could all pull a 1st, and I wouldnt sleep on JT staying, if bo goes, I could see JT wanting out too


Bo leaving isn't going to influence JT, come on man, we all know how family oriented JT is, I'm sure he doesn't believe the team absolutely needs Bo in order to contend, cause we shouldn't either
Dec. 14, 2022 at 1:51 a.m.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Bo leaving isn't going to influence JT, come on man, we all know how family oriented JT is, I'm sure he doesn't believe the team absolutely needs Bo in order to contend, cause we shouldn't either


hey Knucks, hows thing been?

IDK if I would agree with you because JT wants to win, I think the best idea is to ship both of them out so we can get the ship turned around, we arent going to be contending in JT's window so why bother keeping him around
Dec. 14, 2022 at 4:07 a.m.
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hey Knucks, hows thing been?

IDK if I would agree with you because JT wants to win, I think the best idea is to ship both of them out so we can get the ship turned around, we arent going to be contending in JT's window so why bother keeping him around


We don't know how long it's going to be until things turn themselves around, but clearly management thinks JT is a guy they can build around, even if he's already pushing 30. If you actually took a moment to think about it, JT doesn't shrug his shoulders and say "I am what I am", the first thing he says is that he has to be better. Now I'm sure that means he won't turn himself into a defensive ace all of a sudden, but I feel confident in saying that he will probably find a way to clean up his defensive game. We don't know how his game will age, so as an asset, he might just have to be left as an open answer. This team may not be good enough to win right now, but they're not bad enough to warrant a scorched earth rebuild

Look at a team like the Anaheim Ducks. By all accounts, nobody expected a playoff team, but nobody expected them to be in the Connor Bedard sweepstakes, let alone be the frontrunner.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 4:39 a.m.
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Yeah, no contender is going to pay a 1st for Kuzmenko. He's a rookie and relatively unproven but he doesn't have the longevity of team control since he's a UFA at years end. Maybe you'd get a 2nd, but a 1st in this deep a draft is just not happening from any GM worth their salt.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 6:00 a.m.
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The Canuckles are going to have 5 x 1st round picks next year 😅? and they’ll achieve that without trading Horvat 😂😂?
The weirdest part is…I think you guys actually believe the delusional fantasies you post 🤯😂.

I think I know the recipe now:
heavy rain + perpetual dope smoke in the air + just the right amount of Pavel Bure highlight reels = modern delusional Canuckle fan 🫣
Dec. 14, 2022 at 6:01 a.m.
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Yeah, no contender is going to pay a 1st for Kuzmenko. He's a rookie and relatively unproven but he doesn't have the longevity of team control since he's a UFA at years end. Maybe you'd get a 2nd, but a 1st in this deep a draft is just not happening from any GM worth their salt.


26 years old and has 25pts in 27 games. If he continues close to PPG by the deadline teams will 100% pay a first for that kind of production at 900k.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.
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Blues decline for many reason.

1. We suck this year and our first has a high probability of being in the top 10. We are not trading a top 10 pick for Garland
2. We have a lot of UFA and will most likely trade ROR/Tarasenko to rebuild/retool. How does trading our first make any sense in this scenario
3. Our offense is fine, it's our defense that sucks. So again why are we trading our first to fix the offense when instead it would best be used to trade for a defensemen.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
We don't know how long it's going to be until things turn themselves around, but clearly management thinks JT is a guy they can build around, even if he's already pushing 30. If you actually took a moment to think about it, JT doesn't shrug his shoulders and say "I am what I am", the first thing he says is that he has to be better. Now I'm sure that means he won't turn himself into a defensive ace all of a sudden, but I feel confident in saying that he will probably find a way to clean up his defensive game. We don't know how his game will age, so as an asset, he might just have to be left as an open answer. This team may not be good enough to win right now, but they're not bad enough to warrant a scorched earth rebuild

Look at a team like the Anaheim Ducks. By all accounts, nobody expected a playoff team, but nobody expected them to be in the Connor Bedard sweepstakes, let alone be the frontrunner.


But I think the ducks thing is a bit of an illusion, you look at their lineup and they have a lot of talent but its all very young talent, I am worried about their locker room for the next decade
Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: kster34
The Canuckles are going to have 5 x 1st round picks next year 😅? and they’ll achieve that without trading Horvat 😂😂?
The weirdest part is…I think you guys actually believe the delusional fantasies you post 🤯😂.

I think I know the recipe now:
heavy rain + perpetual dope smoke in the air + just the right amount of Pavel Bure highlight reels = modern delusional Canuckle fan 🫣


Accumulating as many firsts as reasonable

This is not going to happen, its just an exercise to show that if we want to we can monitize a bunch of guys
Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: Tennisman142
Blues decline for many reason.

1. We suck this year and our first has a high probability of being in the top 10. We are not trading a top 10 pick for Garland
2. We have a lot of UFA and will most likely trade ROR/Tarasenko to rebuild/retool. How does trading our first make any sense in this scenario
3. Our offense is fine, it's our defense that sucks. So again why are we trading our first to fix the offense when instead it would best be used to trade for a defensemen.


dude,

"Dont care where, we can take back bad cap if you pay a bit extra, dont come at me saying not the blues"
Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:23 a.m.
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-Kuzmenko looks like a very good signing but I also hesitate to think any team is going to part with a 1st for a rental rookie shooting 24.1%. Not saying that he's going to completely crater and be terrible for any team that grabs him, but his shooting numbers have an enormous red flag screaming REGRESSION firmly perched on top of them.

-Boeser's $6.65M cap hit for two more years and the fact that his best offensive calling card - goalscoring - has evaporated makes a 1st a hefty price to pay. Personally, I think the Islanders are too much in the mushy middle to think about giving up their 1st rounder for anything short of a Timo Meier-level performer, so I'd pass. Bailey -> Boeser doesn't feel like enough of an upgrade to go from bubble team to winning multiple playoff rounds, imo.

-Garland strikes me as similar to Boeser - there's enough cap and term tied up in him, combined with some subpar performance this year (scoring at a 12-24-36 pace, basically) to make me feel like a team is going to give up a 1st for him. I think he still has value, and his age and term open up his market to more than just this year's contenders, but I think it's more likely a team treats him as a "change of scenery" trade than a guy worth a 1st rounder this year.

-Call me crazy, but I'd rather stick with a 30 year old Ryan Johansen for 2x$8M after this year than hitch my wagon to a 30 year old JT Miller that will be coming with a 7x$8M contract. Miller is outperforming Johansen this year, sure, but the worst thing Vancouver did for his trade value was give him that monster extension. I get it's the cost of doing business, but smart teams typically don't give up a 1st rounder to tie their fortunes to a guy through his age-36 seasons. Miller has been making most of his hay on the man advantage this year, too - 14 of his 26 points on the power play with his even strength scoring rates down significantly from last season. I just think it's too big of a gamble to swap out a '23 1st for, especially for a fringe-y team like the Predators.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:33 a.m.
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-Kuzmenko looks like a very good signing but I also hesitate to think any team is going to part with a 1st for a rental rookie shooting 24.1%. Not saying that he's going to completely crater and be terrible for any team that grabs him, but his shooting numbers have an enormous red flag screaming REGRESSION firmly perched on top of them. - 1

-Boeser's $6.65M cap hit for two more years and the fact that his best offensive calling card - goalscoring - has evaporated makes a 1st a hefty price to pay. Personally, I think the Islanders are too much in the mushy middle to think about giving up their 1st rounder for anything short of a Timo Meier-level performer, so I'd pass. Bailey -> Boeser doesn't feel like enough of an upgrade to go from bubble team to winning multiple playoff rounds, imo. - 2

-Garland strikes me as similar to Boeser - there's enough cap and term tied up in him, combined with some subpar performance this year (scoring at a 12-24-36 pace, basically) to make me feel like a team is going to give up a 1st for him. I think he still has value, and his age and term open up his market to more than just this year's contenders, but I think it's more likely a team treats him as a "change of scenery" trade than a guy worth a 1st rounder this year. - 3

-Call me crazy, but I'd rather stick with a 30 year old Ryan Johansen for 2x$8M after this year than hitch my wagon to a 30 year old JT Miller that will be coming with a 7x$8M contract. Miller is outperforming Johansen this year, sure, but the worst thing Vancouver did for his trade value was give him that monster extension. I get it's the cost of doing business, but smart teams typically don't give up a 1st rounder to tie their fortunes to a guy through his age-36 seasons. Miller has been making most of his hay on the man advantage this year, too - 14 of his 26 points on the power play with his even strength scoring rates down significantly from last season. I just think it's too big of a gamble to swap out a '23 1st for, especially for a fringe-y team like the Predators. - 4


1 - I get what you are saying but you look at the types of goals he scores and you get why he is shooting that and you see why it is kinda sustainable. He parks himself in front of the net and gets all the tip ins, tap ins and rebounds, as well as having a killer shot. Yes regression, but for under 1M trumps that and I think by a fair margin. To get a point per game player no matter the cap situation is a bargan

2 - It might not be but making that cap more efficent, even though you are taking on a bit more cap, to have a guy who can contribute at the top of your lineup would be huge and would really help with the team's finishing abilities

3 - He is honestly a victim of circumstance, hes had like 3 goals disallowed this year already and he just doesnt have a centreman. We have good wingers and because Garland is a playmaking winger it is easy to throw him out with sheldon dries and tanner pearson, and that is where the problem is, its who hes playing with

4 - I think that the reason that the preds would do this is because they just opened up their window and now is the time to compete, yes RyJo has 3y (inc this) left on his contract but I think the surplus value that miller provides will pay dividends to the preds and a deep cup run. They have until Forsberg and Yosi cant play anymore to win a cup, then its time for a rebuild. Miller would be a good guy to take a 95 point team to a 105 point team (not on his own, but just as an addition and the subtraction of RyJo)
Dec. 14, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.
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dude,

"Dont care where, we can take back bad cap if you pay a bit extra, dont come at me saying not the blues"


Well the blues are not going to trade for Garland because we don't need him. Don't know how clear I can be. We don't need Garland and trading for him is wasting our assets. Plus Garland is not worth a top 10 pick. The only cap dumps we can send back that would make sense for us would be Krug. I don't think you want Krug so there is no deal to be made. I don't think you read anything I wrote because the blues will be sellers at the TDL and not buyers.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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1 - I get what you are saying but you look at the types of goals he scores and you get why he is shooting that and you see why it is kinda sustainable. He parks himself in front of the net and gets all the tip ins, tap ins and rebounds, as well as having a killer shot. Yes regression, but for under 1M trumps that and I think by a fair margin. To get a point per game player no matter the cap situation is a bargan

2 - It might not be but making that cap more efficent, even though you are taking on a bit more cap, to have a guy who can contribute at the top of your lineup would be huge and would really help with the team's finishing abilities

3 - He is honestly a victim of circumstance, hes had like 3 goals disallowed this year already and he just doesnt have a centreman. We have good wingers and because Garland is a playmaking winger it is easy to throw him out with sheldon dries and tanner pearson, and that is where the problem is, its who hes playing with

4 - I think that the reason that the preds would do this is because they just opened up their window and now is the time to compete, yes RyJo has 3y (inc this) left on his contract but I think the surplus value that miller provides will pay dividends to the preds and a deep cup run. They have until Forsberg and Yosi cant play anymore to win a cup, then its time for a rebuild. Miller would be a good guy to take a 95 point team to a 105 point team (not on his own, but just as an addition and the subtraction of RyJo)


re: Kuzmenko - here's a quick rundown of dudes that have hit 23% or higher since 2010:

Sergei Kostitsyn: 24.7% in 2010-11 (23 G on 93 shots/77 GP)
Curtis Glencross: 23.6% in 2011-12 (26 G on 110 shots/67 GP)
Marcus Foligno: 23.5% in 2021-22 (23 G on 98 shots/74 GP)
Ivan Barbashev: 23.4% in 2021-22 (26 G on 110 shots/81 GP)
William Karlsson: 23.4% in 2017-18 (43 G on 184 shots/82 GP)
TJ Oshie: 23.1% in 2016-17 (33 G on 143 shots/68 GP)


Kuzmenko's shooting 24.1% - 13 G on 54 shots/27 GP. Only two dudes in the last 12 years (and most likely further back, considering the scoring rates before 2010) have come close to keeping up that shooting percentage while getting more than 2 shots per game, on average. Again, not saying that it's impossible to happen, just that the likelihood is that either his shooting % goes cold, or he shoots less and keeps the percentage up - either way, it would be a slowdown in scoring.

I just would be surprised if a GM threw out everything we've learned about "small sample size" to overpay in a trade for a guy after a good 1/3 of a season, I guess.
Dec. 14, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
re: Kuzmenko - here's a quick rundown of dudes that have hit 23% or higher since 2010:

Sergei Kostitsyn: 24.7% in 2010-11 (23 G on 93 shots/77 GP)
Curtis Glencross: 23.6% in 2011-12 (26 G on 110 shots/67 GP)
Marcus Foligno: 23.5% in 2021-22 (23 G on 98 shots/74 GP)
Ivan Barbashev: 23.4% in 2021-22 (26 G on 110 shots/81 GP)
William Karlsson: 23.4% in 2017-18 (43 G on 184 shots/82 GP)
TJ Oshie: 23.1% in 2016-17 (33 G on 143 shots/68 GP)


Kuzmenko's shooting 24.1% - 13 G on 54 shots/27 GP. Only two dudes in the last 12 years (and most likely further back, considering the scoring rates before 2010) have come close to keeping up that shooting percentage while getting more than 2 shots per game, on average. Again, not saying that it's impossible to happen, just that the likelihood is that either his shooting % goes cold, or he shoots less and keeps the percentage up - either way, it would be a slowdown in scoring.

I just would be surprised if a GM threw out everything we've learned about "small sample size" to overpay in a trade for a guy after a good 1/3 of a season, I guess.


I think that it will be different at the TDL, at that point we will be able to see the needs and wants of all the other teams
Dec. 14, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer
26 years old and has 25pts in 27 games. If he continues close to PPG by the deadline teams will 100% pay a first for that kind of production at 900k.


With just one year? I doubt it. He's still a rookie. No team control. He's a pending UFA. If he keeps this production up he'll be desirable. Worth a 1st? God no.
Dec. 15, 2022 at 10:22 a.m.
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With just one year? I doubt it. He's still a rookie. No team control. He's a pending UFA. If he keeps this production up he'll be desirable. Worth a 1st? God no.


If not a 1st, then definitely a high 2nd, considering the limited sample size
Dec. 15, 2022 at 10:23 a.m.
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But I think the ducks thing is a bit of an illusion, you look at their lineup and they have a lot of talent but its all very young talent, I am worried about their locker room for the next decade


If the Ducks have that much talent, then there is absolutely NO REASON why they should be in the Bedard sweepstakes
Dec. 15, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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With just one year? I doubt it. He's still a rookie. No team control. He's a pending UFA. If he keeps this production up he'll be desirable. Worth a 1st? God no.


what

you’re telling me if he’s still near PPG by the deadline he doesn’t get a first? yeah… ok
 
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