i like this trade. I feel people overrate girard

Dvorak for Girard strait up. It's a perfect trade. I will die on that hill.

I think that's a very fair trade.

Die you will before that happens!

Make it Xhekaj instead of Harris.

MTL is loaded with LH dmen. They’re not looking to add more, unless it’s a salary dump.

Girard is too much money and term for the Habs to take on.

Why would the habs trade for a undersized dman who has fewer points than 5 of their dmen?

No interest in Dvorak

He can play on the right side though, making him MTL top pairing RD and PP1 QB by default.

As for the money, his contract isnt so different than Dvorak's.

Puck moving abilities. You can look at the tree, but the forest says he is a productive playmaker years after years.

Avs are never making that deal. Dvorak is just Compher and he is under no circumstances a 2C, as MTL fans are well aware because if he was they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

He isnt anything special in that regard. Even since he became "productive" in 19-20 he isnt in the top 40 for points by a dman and is outside the top 50 in ES points.

We gave **** to petry for being a bad pp qb but he still has more pp points than girard does pver that span.

This is how you know a non Avs fan made this, Compher is playing on the 4th line and a guy they just traded Dryden Hunt a waiver pick up is on the 3rd line. Bednar loves Compher, hence his 20+ minutes a night playing time currently. And COL isn’t trading a dman this year under ANY circumstances when healthy the D-corp is Makar, Toews, Byram, Girard, Manson, EJ. That’s what they want that’s why they sacrificed re-signing Burakovsky for Manson

I don't base my opinion of a player puck moving skills on points, and neither should you.

Numbers are nothing without context. Petry was overused while Girard has been playing behind freakin Makar... LOL

You overrate Girard. That's about what he's worth sorry to say. You're not getting a 1st for Girard with that cap hit. This is a more than fair trade

Yeah but the Avs at least need a bottom pairing dman in return.

I feel like every young dman that comes up quickly gets overrated and people cling on to that hope despite the player showing not much more improvement.

Oh I’m overrating a 24yr old top 4 dman that eats 20 minutes a night on a championship team who is on a sweetheart deal for the next half decade? Bro I think you see 5’10” and say he isn’t good. Never in a million years does COL do a trade involving Girard where the primary piece coming back is a 3C who makes $500k less and basically scores only a handful points more. Let’s face it, on CF there is this insane bias against small defenseman, somehow Chychrun because he is big, had one season where he had 18 goals, and can’t stay healthy is somehow worth a first a top prospect and an everyday NHL, but Girard who has produced at basically the exact same rate offensively has been a top 4 dman the last 5 years and is great in transition is somehow worth a center with a career high 38pts. Yeah I overrate Girard because you know he actually does something.

Well Habs would need a bottom 6 center in return...

I think Dvorak is a low end 2C who with Lekhonen and Nichushkin would be a nightmare down low for other teams to deal with and would be a great shut down line while providing decent offence. I don't think Girard is a bad defencemen, but hes a #4 dman who doesn't provide much outside of his puck moving abilities while guys like CHychrun do.

Dvorak is not a second line center. He’s a 3rd liner at best. The Avs already have Compher, who is a cheaper and (arguably) better version of Dvorak. And even then: the Avs won’t be able to afford to resign him. How on earth are they going to justify paying Dvorak more to be a lateral player at best?

Girard I think is a tough one to understand. People see his size and skating and assume he’s Tyson Barrie. But his game is a lot more interesting and harder to pin down. Girard doesn’t put up huge points. He’s actually pretty decent defensively and has a great stick. His size makes it harder for him to clear the net. And he has a muffin of a point shot. But the dude is an elite transition player and a zone exit machine.

He’s a very valuable young NHL player, you just gotta accept him for what he is. And that’s a pretty solid top 4 defenseman who is only 24. He’s probably not gonna develop much more, but he may get a bit more consistent.

When did a career high 38pt guy end up being a low end 2C? JT Compher fills that roll at $1M less, Newhook fills that roll at over $3M less. What do you think Compher or Newhook does playing with those guys? Oh right they haven’t because none of the top 6 has been healthy at the same time this year. Ok Girard is the #4 dman on the Avs because they have Makar, Toews and Byram. He doesn’t do anything else? What besides produce 30pts NOT playing on PP1, playing big minutes against other teams top players, yeah he does nothing else.

If I’m the GM of the Habs, I’m not looking for someone who would be my #1 RH dman.

I’m looking for someone who would be a #1 RH dman on a cup contending team.

If Girard plays on my 1st pairing, I’m not competing for a cup.

Yeah well you also need to be realistic about what you can get on the trade market. A #1 RH on a contending team isn't just falling from the tree. You wont get Victor Hedman for Dvorak.

Christmas as a good occasion to teach you there's a difference between what you want and what you can get. Merry Christmass!

Totally agree. That’s why I’m trading those guys for draft picks instead of the Girards of the world. I’m going to draft the next Makar/Hedman/etc… or I’m going to sign him as a UFA. I’m not going to settle for Girard “just because”.