These are bad, very very bad. I’d really like to hear the breakdown on the Kane trade to see how you think this is fair

Sharks decline

Only way the Hawks accept this deal is if Kaner forces his way Toronto. Don't see that happening. The deal is essentially Kaner half retained for a 1st and Hirvonen. The 3rd rounders cancel out. Holl is a pending UFA who won't be back, so no value to Hawks. Anderson and Hollowell are fringe NHLer's at best. Hawks have a bunch of guys like this already. Little to no value.

-Let's break this down. Holl is a pending UFA (and coincidentally one of the most reliable D that the Leafs have had this season: why are you trading him?) and it's not likely that he'd stick around in Chicago as a 30 year old pending UFA, so he's not that valuable to the Hawks - he's just here to offset cap. Joey Anderson and Mac Hollowell are depth/call-up type guys with minimal value. You have the Hawks sending back a 3rd in exchange for this year's 3rd, so you're really boiling this deal down to Hirvonen & a 1st for Kane with full retention. I think Chicago would be fine knowing that they have to retain & take a contract back in a Kane deal, but they need to actually get value for the player before they get to that part of the negotiations - and the value just isn't here.

-Another similar problem - Kerfoot & Engvall are both pending UFAs, with minimal value to a retooling/rebuilding(?) Vancouver team. The picks are both in next year's draft, which lessens their impact, and I have no idea why Vancouver is sending any extra value back with Horvat. This actually adds about $3M to Vancouver's cap this year while giving them assets they can't cash in for over a year. This offer gets beat by anyone who actually wants Horvat - all they have to do is offer a '23 1st or any sort of prospect of note.

-Same issue here with the picks - there's no need to swap 7th rounders. The deal you're offering is Nick Robertson (injured again) & a 1st three drafts away for Timo Meier with full retention. I think you need to add more value in to actually get the player (thinking at least a 2nd or a prospect like Topi Niemela), then you probably have to throw in another asset to make up for the fact that you're delaying the pick that far out (another 3rd maybe? Nothing huge) to get San Jose to stay on the phone for this offer.

Possibly the worst Meier offer I've seen.

And I love the fact you're proposing to that they acquire 3 UFAs they probably have no cap space to resign.

To be fair Meier is an RFA they wouldn't have the cap the resign lol

Canucks pass. They want good young players with fairly high upside. As for picks, if they want picks they will want them in 2023.

Sharks decline. Timo is worth farrrrr more than that bucket of rubbish

The pick is 2 yrs out. Robertson can get hurt 2 or 3 more times by then