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HORVAT gives us 3 legit scoring lines

Created by: Pens3lieve
Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 21, 2022
Published: Dec. 21, 2022
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Credit to @CapFriendlysFinest for this trade idea
For the record I’d add another prospect or upgrade on svjech or the picks if we had to… bc who cares about the future lol ?!
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Horvat, Bo ($2,750,000 retained)
  2. 2023 4th round pick (NYR)
VAN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Svejkovsky, Lukas
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
What else is needed?
2.
PIT
  1. Holden, Nick ($650,000 retained)
  2. Motte, Tyler ($675,000 retained)
OTT
  1. Légaré, Nathan
  2. O'Connor, Drew
  3. 2023 5th round pick (PIT)
  4. 2024 4th round pick (PIT)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$74,166,842$0$0$8,333,158
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$675,000$675,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$650,000$650,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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Dec. 21, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Canucks need Defence no fit here.IMHO.
Dec. 21, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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Love it
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Dec. 21, 2022 at 11:51 a.m.
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Ottawa accepts.
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Dec. 21, 2022 at 11:55 a.m.
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Horvat is having a career year on offense. He will not continue to score at the current pace. Horvat is a 2C who is defensively one of the best in the league. Would he fit in Pitt? Absolutely, but don't expect a ton of offense.
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Dec. 21, 2022 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: tonyhzs
Horvat is having a career year on offense. He will not continue to score at the current pace. Horvat is a 2C who is defensively one of the best in the league. Would he fit in Pitt? Absolutely, but don't expect a ton of offense.


im totally ok with that… I want Sid and geno and carter to have easier and fewer minutes… so sliding horvat into the 3C spot but getting him time on special teams and running 4 lines we still should be able to get him 17 min a night…
Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:01 p.m.
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A 1st and a bunch of meh doesn’t get Horvat
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Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:05 p.m.
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im totally ok with that… I want Sid and geno and carter to have easier and fewer minutes… so sliding horvat into the 3C spot but getting him time on special teams and running 4 lines we still should be able to get him 17 min a night…


I should also add that I think Horvat will take more than tbe offer proposed. I don't know a ton about Svejkosky. I think the Canucks want a top prospect defenseman with top 4 locked in by next year. The 1st is going to be mid to low, so even in a deep draft, that doesn't carry a ton of weight. I don't know that Pitt has enough in the cupboard to swing a Horvat trade.
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Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: tonyhzs
I should also add that I think Horvat will take more than tbe offer proposed. I don't know a ton about Svejkosky. I think the Canucks want a top prospect defenseman with top 4 locked in by next year. The 1st is going to be mid to low, so even in a deep draft, that doesn't carry a ton of weight. I don't know that Pitt has enough in the cupboard to swing a Horvat trade.


Very well said.
Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:39 p.m.
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You lost your chance at this when Marino was traded
Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.
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Cc
Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: tonyhzs
Horvat is having a career year on offense. He will not continue to score at the current pace. Horvat is a 2C who is defensively one of the best in the league. Would he fit in Pitt? Absolutely, but don't expect a ton of offense.

As a Canucks fan, I love to hear this rhetoric. But it is not true.
Horvat, while fantastic on draws and serviceable defensively, is far from an elite defensive Center.
He’s heavy, great on draws, built for the playoffs and is a bonafide goal scorer. Will his goal scoring pace slow down? Yes. But I’m confident 35goals/82 games is a realistic pace for the next 3-4yrs.

He’s an interesting skillset imo.
Dec. 21, 2022 at 12:54 p.m.
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Canucks fans will want your first born as part of the deal.
Dec. 21, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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Quoting: tonyhzs
I should also add that I think Horvat will take more than tbe offer proposed. I don't know a ton about Svejkosky. I think the Canucks want a top prospect defenseman with top 4 locked in by next year. The 1st is going to be mid to low, so even in a deep draft, that doesn't carry a ton of weight. I don't know that Pitt has enough in the cupboard to swing a Horvat trade.


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A 1st and a bunch of meh doesn’t get Horvat


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You lost your chance at this when Marino was traded


Quoting: dereliicte_campaign
As a Canucks fan, I love to hear this rhetoric. But it is not true.
Horvat, while fantastic on draws and serviceable defensively, is far from an elite defensive Center.
He’s heavy, great on draws, built for the playoffs and is a bonafide goal scorer. Will his goal scoring pace slow down? Yes. But I’m confident 35goals/82 games is a realistic pace for the next 3-4yrs.

He’s an interesting skillset imo.


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Canucks fans will want your first born as part of the deal.


What would all y’all’s ask for horvat be then??? I agree the above suggested trade is a little light on the return from PIT???
Dec. 21, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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Canucks fans will want your first born as part of the deal.


You have to name him Sidney Crosby tho… 😂
Dec. 21, 2022 at 2:37 p.m.
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The rumoured ask for Horvat is a 1st, young roster C, top defensive prospect, and possibly another minor asset depending on the value of the C and prospect. From Pittsburgh, I think the best fit along those guidelines would be a 2023 1st, Pickering, Poehling, and maybe a 2024 3rd. Obviously that's the ask and you always start by asking for more than what you want. From there I'm not sure what would fit Pittsburgh's needs best, but I think the 2023 1st and Pickering would be the core parts of the deal, with Poehling and the 3rd being able to be replaced/dropped depending on Pittsburgh's needs/wants.
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Quoting: MikeKeenanHatesMe
Canucks fans will want your first born as part of the deal.


Only the first born? We're talking about a Canadian franchise here. With the right teammates, Horvat can win the cup all by himself. He has THAT much value.
Dec. 21, 2022 at 7:52 p.m.
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The rumoured ask for Horvat is a 1st, young roster C, top defensive prospect, and possibly another minor asset depending on the value of the C and prospect. From Pittsburgh, I think the best fit along those guidelines would be a 2023 1st, Pickering, Poehling, and maybe a 2024 3rd. Obviously that's the ask and you always start by asking for more than what you want. From there I'm not sure what would fit Pittsburgh's needs best, but I think the 2023 1st and Pickering would be the core parts of the deal, with Poehling and the 3rd being able to be replaced/dropped depending on Pittsburgh's needs/wants.


Pit does need to send some salary back theoretically tho unless we can unload kappy or dumoulin or whoever somewhere else…
Maybe we could counter with
Horvat @ 50% retained, random depth d-man
For
Kapanen, svejkovsky, Pickering, 1st

Basically you’d get the better player (kap over poehling) and you’re taking our best prospect in pickering and a young C/RW prospect
Dec. 21, 2022 at 8:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
Pit does need to send some salary back theoretically tho unless we can unload kappy or dumoulin or whoever somewhere else…
Maybe we could counter with
Horvat 50% retained, random depth d-man
For
Kapanen, svejkovsky, Pickering, 1st

Basically you’d get the better player (kap over poehling) and you’re taking our best prospect in pickering and a young C/RW prospect


Right, forgot about salary cap. Canucks could probably take back Kapanen in the deal to make things work, Rutherford and Allvin also have an existing relationship with him and seem to like his style. As for taking Kapanen over Poehling, I agree Kapanen is the better player. However, the Canucks already have too many wingers and have a weakness down the middle that will become even larger by trading Horvat, which is why they are looking for a young roster C.

I do think that is a pretty good offer though. Would you consider doing Hallander over Svejkovsky? I think Hallander is closer to NHL ready, and would probably fit the Canucks roster better.
Dec. 22, 2022 at 8:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
Right, forgot about salary cap. Canucks could probably take back Kapanen in the deal to make things work, Rutherford and Allvin also have an existing relationship with him and seem to like his style. As for taking Kapanen over Poehling, I agree Kapanen is the better player. However, the Canucks already have too many wingers and have a weakness down the middle that will become even larger by trading Horvat, which is why they are looking for a young roster C.

I do think that is a pretty good offer though. Would you consider doing Hallander over Svejkovsky? I think Hallander is closer to NHL ready, and would probably fit the Canucks roster better.


All fair points and yes that’s true about Hallander… he’s a responsible two way C and he didn’t look out of place when he came up earlier in the year… Sullivan even trusted him to kill penalties lol…
Assuming I could sign Horvat to an extension around 7x7.5……..

I’d counter with kapanen, Hallander, Pickering, 1st
For
Horvat @ 50% retained, Hoglander or Podkolzin

(I just feel PIT would ask for one smaller piece like a young forward or D…) idk if that’s too much… or maybe just a smaller pick back like a 4th?
 
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