easy yes from SJ

Too much.

Holtz + 1st if there is an extension
Foote + 1st if there is not

again too much 3pcs less

Lol that first one still isn't enough, that second one is just laughable.

Holtz +23 1st + a mid pick or a guy like Walsh is more accurate.
and it's up to you to resign him.

Show me one case where a winger without term got a top-25 prospect and a 1st.

That’s one heck of an overpay

I would especially like to see a comp with a winger that has as tough to move of a QO as Meier. With the cap only expected to raise 1mil next year, he’s even harder to move now (and likely less valuable) than a few weeks ago

SJ & NJD fans never going to agree and Meier is 99% going to be extended just like Hertl was.
It'll be suicide for Grier to trade Meier for Fiala or less return when SJ can extend Meier easily unlike MN's situation.
It'll need to be more close to what CHI got with Debrincat (7OA, 39OA, 24' 3rd) or SJ will be getting fleeced for their star player

so for me:
23' 1st + Holtz by itself should be fine because Holtz is basically the 7OA pick that CHI got and NJ's 23' 1st will be late, so debatably less than a 39OA+24' 3rd
23' 1st + Foote is basically 2 late 1sts, so I think that would need more or the trade doesn't happen
Holtz + 2nd + other combination prospects might work as a substitute for the 23' 1st. e.g. Holtz + Foote + .. People shouldn't be so married to NJD 23' 1st because it will be late. This draft is going to be deep but really deep out to 27-32th OA pick? Grab some more of NJD's solid prospects which they definitely can spare

26 year old power forward on pace for 40 goals after scoring 35 the previous year on an expiring contract who is a RFA and arbitration eligible will fetch a large return.
teams need and want players like Meier!

I don't know about the rest on here but for me that late pick is right in the window for Michael Hrabal. and he (to me) would be our goalie of the future. setting us up in 26/27 and beyond.
with this thinking I wouldn't mind Michyukov either if we miss out on Bedard and Fantillli. given he is near bedard level play but cant play in the NHL till 26/27.

who does he comp to in the past?

why does he have to come to anyone?
and you can’t look at comps to compare value because the situation around the deals are all drastically different.

How else do you determine value without comparables to draw from?

ok simple he’s a power forward who is in his prime scoring at a 35+ goals per season mark the last 1 1/2 years.
to get him the sharks would need to recoup enough assets to let him walk.
and because your getting instant value and we’re getting potential that won’t provide us the same level of output for min 3 years if ever. Sharks are taking a risk that the assets never meet expectations, NJD are risking Meier refuses the long term deal and they wind up in arbitration and he walks in 24.
a top 6 prospect and a 1st in the mid 20’s seems more than fair. if he was signed at a reasonable rate long term the value would be 2 1sts a top 6 proposect and a top 4 D prospect. but since he is not the value is cut in half.

i guess my comp is Karlsson. yes he had more pedigree, but also had extensive injury history and got a top prospect a 1st 2 2nds a 3C and a top 4 D.

A generational right shot defenseman≠a power forward on pace for 41 goals on 82 games, who has only hit 30 goals in a season twice

The market is different depending on the position. they frankly are not the same.

If that’s the best comp though, why didn’t DeBrincal or Fiala (a 40 goal scorer, and a +ppg player) not get the Karlsson return last summer?

had Karlsson not had a ton of injuries (and people were skeptical he would ever return to the form he is showing this year.) tor a long term deal it would have been way more expensive to grab him, Ottawa was fearful of doing the deal san jose did and having it bite them in the face like it did to san jose.

Debrincat was done at the draft with little to no time to do a hard negotiation, Fiala was done with the knowledge Min had not ap space to resign him and teams underpaid.
sharks can and will resign Meier if he wants to stay, the question is if they should or not.
if the offers are less than Debrincat then they should keep him if they are better than they should do the deal.

He’s still a generational right shot defensemen, which is not comparable to a 70pt 30g winger…. What do you mean Ottawa was fearful of doing what SJ did…? They were in a completely different position when found for it this offseason than the Karlsson deal…

That’s not completely true though. Moving DeBrincat was important for the rebuild. If you’re a rebuilding team, as the Blackhawks had said they would be, a player like that is less valuable to the franchise since he provides wins that keep the team from a better playoff position. They moved him in the offseason because he would have more suitors, and be worth more than at the TDL when there would be less teams to fight for him due to the cap.

What happened with Fiala is actually similar to what will happen with SJ zamd Meier but in reverse. Every team knew Fiala and MIN wouldn’t come to an agreement, but the teams interested in Meier know there are only a few of them that can actually fit his QO next year, and that will absolutely drive his price down with less suitors for a bidding war.

If they keep Meier they are just going to lose him at UFA after another year of mediocrity and a not bad enough to be good 1st rounder. It would be the slowest possible way to rebuild, without doing something stupid like what Columbus did in signing Johnny G without a competitive roster