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Created by: fil97
Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 27, 2022
Published: Dec. 27, 2022
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how far can this team go?




(poulin comes back earlier rather then later, if not sully either gives puusty a shot or puts rust 2lw and mginn 3rw and Archibald 4rw)


taxi squad already in ahl just some other depth options in case of injuries





++++++ if Carter doesn't improve his game with better wingers you scratch him, put teddy as 3C and archie poehling and ginner as the 4th line.


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Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2023 4th round pick (COL)
SEA
  1. Heinen, Danton
Additional Details:
ANY TEAM WHO WANTS GOOD DEPTH FWD
2.
PIT
  1. McCabe, Jake ($2,000,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Dumoulin, Brian
  2. Lindberg, Filip
  3. Smith, Ty
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
  5. 2023 4th round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Probably pit will regret this trade in the future, but very needed right now without giving away major assets in the present.


- Dumo will be flipped by CHI at the TDL for a 2nd or 3rd
3.
PIT
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir ($3,000,000 retained)
STL
  1. Gruden, Jonathan
  2. Kapanen, Kasperi
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
TDL deal with blues out of it
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$70,323,925$0$0$12,176,075
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$750,000$750,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,125,000$3,125,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$0$0
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 1
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$842,500$842,500 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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Dec. 27, 2022 at 7:09 a.m.
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We don't trade our first, blues have never retained in their history, Blues will only want picks and have no room for Kap or a mid prospect. But it would be funny that we traded Marino for Mccabe.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 7:39 a.m.
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Quoting: Fabi
We don't trade our first, blues have never retained in their history, Blues will only want picks and have no room for Kap or a mid prospect. But it would be funny that we traded Marino for Mccabe.


I know but we should imo, we should have kept them 3-4-5 years ago but now we don't have time to develop them. hopefully pickering will be an impactful player before the big guns retire.
it would be a bit more then marino, I think Lindberg has solid starter potential, but anyway YES ahah
also why not retain on a deal that is finishing? it gets you more back
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Dec. 27, 2022 at 8:05 a.m.
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I know but we should imo, we should have kept them 3-4-5 years ago but now we don't have time to develop them. hopefully pickering will be an impactful player before the big guns retire.
it would be a bit more then marino, I think Lindberg has solid starter potential, but anyway YES ahah
also why not retain on a deal that is finishing? it gets you more back


I don't know, but if I remember correctly, the blues have never retained money on their players. If we make trades in my opinion we have to trade for a completely new third line. The top six, fourth line, defense, and goaltending are great, but that third line is just bad, we should aim for guys like Barba, Domi, or Duclair and not for big guns like Tarasenko.
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Dec. 27, 2022 at 8:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Fabi
I don't know, but if I remember correctly, the blues have never retained money on their players. If we make trades in my opinion we have to trade for a completely new third line. The top six, fourth line, defense, and goaltending are great, but that third line is just bad, we should aim for guys like Barba, Domi, or Duclair and not for big guns like Tarasenko.


I just don't think any of the guys you mentioned would make this big of a difference with kappy and carts playing like this. but you are right the main problem is that third line.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 8:56 a.m.
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Hawks decline. That return for McCabe w/ retention for 2 more seasons after this is pretty underwhelming. Only way Hawks flip Dumo for a 2nd or 3rd is if they retain on him too. So that's 2 retention slots used. What if Toews and Kane request to be traded? You could argue Ty Smith has gotten worse each year since turning pro - certainly hasn't gotten better. And Hawks have 3 young goalies - Soderblom, Commesso and Bassie. This trade does very little to move the Hawks rebuild along.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 9:58 a.m.
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That Tarasenko offer is easily beaten.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 10:03 a.m.
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That Tarasenko offer is easily beaten.


how? realistic one pls
Dec. 27, 2022 at 10:21 a.m.
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Kapanen would be of little to no interest to the Blues and the fact that he's still signed another year makes it worse not better. Gruden is a minus skater who's starting to look like a career AHLer. Other teams can offer better things, that's realistic enough. Besides, has Hextall ever traded a 1st?
Dec. 27, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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Kapanen would be of little to no interest to the Blues and the fact that he's still signed another year makes it worse not better. Gruden is a minus skater who's starting to look like a career AHLer. Other teams can offer better things, that's realistic enough. Besides, has Hextall ever traded a 1st?


no lol, BUT another year of kapanen after a change of scenery can be a +, also I get what you are saying. still think Gruden can make it on a weaker team, not in pit now, maybe when we will start a rebuild.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline. That return for McCabe w/ retention for 2 more seasons after this is pretty underwhelming. Only way Hawks flip Dumo for a 2nd or 3rd is if they retain on him too. So that's 2 retention slots used. What if Toews and Kane request to be traded? You could argue Ty Smith has gotten worse each year since turning pro - certainly hasn't gotten better. And Hawks have 3 young goalies - Soderblom, Commesso and Bassie. This trade does very little to move the Hawks rebuild along.


This "flipping" thing is really a capfriendly thing, not a reality thing. Has it happened? Very rarely. No team wants to take on the burden of possibly not getting a return for a player they don't need. I will say I don't like this trade for either team. I very much like Lindberg and think he will be an NHL goalie. While Jarry will likely be retained, having good young goalie prospects is good to have as a backup.

The other reality is that Dumoulin won't get moved.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 11:13 a.m.
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Kapanen would be of little to no interest to the Blues and the fact that he's still signed another year makes it worse not better. Gruden is a minus skater who's starting to look like a career AHLer. Other teams can offer better things, that's realistic enough. Besides, has Hextall ever traded a 1st?


Pretty much all of this. Hextall isn't moving a first.

I'm not sure what a Tarasenko trade would/will look like. I don't think the return will be what Blues fans want, but they'll certainly get a better deal than this.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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Pretty much all of this. Hextall isn't moving a first.

I'm not sure what a Tarasenko trade would/will look like. I don't think the return will be what Blues fans want, but they'll certainly get a better deal than this.


People keep saying "what the Blues fans want" but what does that mean? Unless I missed something the regulars here have been asking for entirely reasonable things (if not always from an entirely reasonable team).
Dec. 27, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.
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People keep saying "what the Blues fans want" but what does that mean? Unless I missed something the regulars here have been asking for entirely reasonable things (if not always from an entirely reasonable team).


I mean what fans would be happy with and I've honestly seen a very wide range of returns on here.

In general this deadline market is looking to be a buyer's market, not a seller's given the amount of players that will be available, not to mention the large number of quality players that will be available, so I'm personally not expecting to see a lot of crazy returns.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:07 p.m.
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I mean what fans would be happy with and I've honestly seen a very wide range of returns on here.

In general this deadline market is looking to be a buyer's market, not a seller's given the amount of players that will be available, not to mention the large number of quality players that will be available, so I'm personally not expecting to see a lot of crazy returns.


Heh. Buyers always say it's a buyer's market. But not all UFAs are created equal. It also matters how many suitors an individual player has. Some will have small options. Some will have a half dozen teams calling. We all know which end of that spectrum Tatasenko leans toward. And in that light, this doesn't look like a competitive offer.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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no lol, BUT another year of kapanen after a change of scenery can be a +, also I get what you are saying. still think Gruden can make it on a weaker team, not in pit now, maybe when we will start a rebuild.


Kap having another year is a problem for the Blues. They don't want to trade cap that comes off the books this summer for cap that lingers another season unless it's worth it. Kap being worth it is a big gamble.
Dec. 27, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
This "flipping" thing is really a capfriendly thing, not a reality thing. Has it happened? Very rarely. No team wants to take on the burden of possibly not getting a return for a player they don't need. I will say I don't like this trade for either team. I very much like Lindberg and think he will be an NHL goalie. While Jarry will likely be retained, having good young goalie prospects is good to have as a backup.

The other reality is that Dumoulin won't get moved.


As a Sharks fan, I remember a recent event of flipping, and that was with Mike Hoffman.
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Dec. 27, 2022 at 1:50 p.m.
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Heh. Buyers always say it's a buyer's market. But not all UFAs are created equal. It also matters how many suitors an individual player has. Some will have small options. Some will have a half dozen teams calling. We all know which end of that spectrum Tatasenko leans toward. And in that light, this doesn't look like a competitive offer.


Oh, I agree that this is not a good offer. Saying it is not competitive is being kind lol.

I'm saying it's a buyer's market from the sheer number of players available compared to normal. I'm not sure if you've taken a look, but there is a large supply this year of likely available players, so by the simple rules of supply/demand.

Usually a deadline market only bares one, maybe two Patrick Kane types, but this year you'll have Kane, Toews, possibly Tarasenko, JVR, Horvat, possibly Meier. Then you move on to the middle of the pack names like Monahan, Nyquist, maybe Barbashev, Okposo and then the next level down Sundqvist, Nieto..

These are just some names, and even aside from some of those players who are may not be available, but this is a much larger crop than normal. That creates a buyer's market. This isn't even taking into consideration defensemen.
 
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