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Dubas ends his career with a bang

Created by: reelkena
Published: Jan. 1, 2023 at 5:05 a.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 102/185 (55%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because one of the teams exceeds the 23 player roster limit

Logo of the St. Louis BluesSt. Louis Blues

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
O'Reilly, RyanSt. Louis BluesNHL50%$3,750,000011---3610616--
Parayko, ColtonSt. Louis BluesNHL13%$5,655,000011---332810--
Barbashev, IvanSt. Louis BluesNHL50%$1,125,000011---3651116--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Simmonds, WayneToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$900,000011---7011--
Holl, JustinToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$2,000,000011---36246--
Källgren, ErikWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011-------0.030.001
Engvall, PierreToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$2,250,000011---346713--
Kerfoot, AlexanderToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$3,500,000011---3661117--
Robertson, NicholasWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsLTIR-$796,667011---15235--
Hirvonen, RoniWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
Niemelä, TopiWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---100------
2024 1st round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$7,549,1672349653512
Change$1,880,000155200
Final$9,429,167 (↑)24 (↑)54 (↑)70 (↑)5 (↑)512-110

Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsToronto Maple Leafs

Coincident TransactionInitial StatusNew StatusCap Hit ChangeRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Anderson, JoeyNHLMinor-$750,000-1-----------
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Simmonds, WayneToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$900,000011---7011--
Holl, JustinToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$2,000,000011---36246--
Källgren, ErikWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011-------0.030.001
Engvall, PierreToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$2,250,000011---346713--
Kerfoot, AlexanderToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$3,500,000011---3661117--
Robertson, NicholasWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsLTIR-$796,667011---15235--
Hirvonen, RoniWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
Niemelä, TopiWaivers ExemptToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---100------
2024 1st round pick (Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsTOR)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
O'Reilly, RyanSt. Louis BluesNHL50%$3,750,000011---3610616--
Parayko, ColtonSt. Louis BluesNHL13%$5,655,000011---332810--
Barbashev, IvanSt. Louis BluesNHL50%$1,125,000011---3651116--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,135,0002349683411
Change-$1,130,000-2-5-5-200
Final$5,000 (↓)21 (↓)44 (↓)63 (↓)1 (↓)4111-10
Jan. 1, 2023 at 5:06 a.m.
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For @Rhea and @Dutchies

Idc how dumb this is I just can't believe I even got the money to work.
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Classic case of throw 10 assets at the other team, of which only a few are actually valuable going forward, and getting a stud top pair defender, a Conn Smythe winning rental center and serviceable middle-six forward. Parayko would be worth better quality players in return, and also has a NTC on his brand new contract, and might not waive so early.
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Jan. 1, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.
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And by "bang" you mean Doug Armstrong knocking him out for even approaching with such a trade offer?
Jan. 1, 2023 at 11:44 a.m.
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Ryan O'Reilly would be a good target for them because his low base salary means that they can probably pay a 4th round pick at the deadline to get a 3rd team to retain. They could get him for 25 percent of his cap hit. With that said, I am not sure what to make of that trade in the OP.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 12:35 p.m.
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For Rhea and Dutchies

Idc how dumb this is I just can't believe I even got the money to work.


I gotta admit, it's pretty impressive.
And honestly, STL would be crazy not to at least consider this.
We all know that Simmonds, Holl, Kerfoot, Engvall and Kallgren aren't worth anything / are cap dumps to make it work. Plus, they're all expiring contracts that don't hurt STL's future.
What helps is the fact that STL is getting 3 of the Leafs top 5 prospects along with 2 firsts. That's a ton of future right there. AND STL clears 9.4 mil in long term cap. (While losing 2 fan favorites and a guy on a point a game pace).

Not saying either team does it, but both would at least consider. It's probably too big, and STL fans won't like it, but cudos on making the cap work!
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Jan. 1, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Augustus
Classic case of throw 10 assets at the other team, of which only a few are actually valuable going forward, and getting a stud top pair defender, a Conn Smythe winning rental center and serviceable middle-six forward. Parayko would be worth better quality players in return, and also has a NTC on his brand new contract, and might not waive so early.


it's not 10 assets. it's 6 and a bunch of cap dump. And those 6 assets are no joke. Maybe you should evaluate the players before commenting.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.
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And by "bang" you mean Doug Armstrong knocking him out for even approaching with such a trade offer?


this deal isn't doable for a bunch of reasons but like 3 firsts 2 seconds and kallgren for Parayko and 2 rentals is not a joke.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 7:39 p.m.
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this deal isn't doable for a bunch of reasons but like 3 firsts 2 seconds and kallgren for Parayko and 2 rentals is not a joke.


Setting aside that I have no idea how you got to three 1sts, why do you guys always pretend that the massive amount of retention doesn't cost anything? You've eaten up those TWO 1sts with the retention alone. So no, it's a bunch of midgets and cap dumps, mostly made up of things the Blues have no use for. THAT is the offer for a locked down top pairing RD, a top line sniper and a playoff beast C. All the reasons are why this would never be considered. The Blues would think it was a practical joke.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 7:50 p.m.
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Setting aside that I have no idea how you got to three 1sts, why do you guys always pretend that the massive amount of retention doesn't cost anything? You've eaten up those TWO 1sts with the retention alone. So no, it's a bunch of midgets and cap dumps, mostly made up of things the Blues have no use for. THAT is the offer for a locked down top pairing RD, a top line sniper and a playoff beast C. All the reasons are why this would never be considered. The Blues would think it was a practical joke.


Yeah this is why fanboys are dumb. You think retaining on UFAs costs 2 firsts. This is embarrassing and I have no interest in future discussions. I don't even like either of these teams.

side note, yeah 2 firsts 2 seconds and a third not 3 firsts.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
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Yeah this is why fanboys are dumb. You think retaining on UFAs costs 2 firsts. This is embarrassing and I have no interest in future discussions. I don't even like either of these teams.

side note, yeah 2 firsts 2 seconds and a third not 3 firsts.


And now, in addition to imagining that asking a team for a few million bucks of cap AND money is free, you're pretending that you haven't included eight years of Parayko retention. And exactly how much do you think 12+ million dollars of retention costs? I'm morbidly fascinated, as you apparently believe it so much that this went straight to Dunning-Kruger personal insults.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.
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And now, in addition to imagining that asking a team for a few million bucks of cap AND money is free, you're pretending that you haven't included eight years of Parayko retention. And exactly how much do you think 12+ million dollars of retention costs? I'm morbidly fascinated, as you apparently believe it so much that this went straight to Dunning-Kruger personal insults.


something something, we crushed your team in the 2020 bubble.

ps I didn't read your comment because as I said i have no interest.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.
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Quoting: reelkena
something something, we crushed your team in the 2020 bubble.

ps I didn't read your comment because as I said i have no interest.


Muh huh. Suuuuure you didn't. You just don;t have an answer for it.

And gosh, congrats for beating a team riddled with COVID by a 4-2 series count. You have a funny definition of the word "crush".
Jan. 1, 2023 at 9:29 p.m.
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Muh huh. Suuuuure you didn't. You just don;t have an answer for it.

And gosh, congrats for beating a team riddled with COVID by a 4-2 series count. You have a funny definition of the word "crush".


you need to get a blues clue.

not reading your **** fanboy.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 9:30 p.m.
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it's not 10 assets. it's 6 and a bunch of cap dump. And those 6 assets are no joke. Maybe you should evaluate the players before commenting.


You should evaluate the Blues players you are asking for, and then reconsider your offer. Like I said earlier, I believe Parayko alone would get better quality assets in a separate deal, not more, but better quality, IF he even wanted to go anywhere.

And yes, going straight for personal insult is kind of a poor move.
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Jan. 1, 2023 at 9:40 p.m.
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You should evaluate the Blues players you are asking for, and then reconsider your offer. Like I said earlier, I believe Parayko alone would get better quality assets in a separate deal, not more, but better quality, IF he even wanted to go anywhere.

And yes, going straight for personal insult is kind of a poor move.


Parayko is the obviously valuable asset and the offer is reasonable for him. Him not wanting to go or Stl not wanting to part with him are other topics but I dont give a crap about two blues fans deciding their players on a losing team are worth a brinks truck. Ryan is worth very little this season and if Barbershop wasnt a ufa he'd be worth a lot more. But alas, I'm hearing noise and crying so I will simply suggest you post some trade where parayko gets mcdavid and 4 firsts and move on with your day.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 9:59 p.m.
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Parayko is the obviously valuable asset and the offer is reasonable for him. Him not wanting to go or Stl not wanting to part with him are other topics but I dont give a crap about two blues fans deciding their players on a losing team are worth a brinks truck. Ryan is worth very little this season and if Barbershop wasnt a ufa he'd be worth a lot more. But alas, I'm hearing noise and crying so I will simply suggest you post some trade where parayko gets mcdavid and 4 firsts and move on with your day.


You're quite rude and I don't understand why. I'm not a Blues fan. Anyone reading this thread can determine for themselves where they hear crying coming from. Lastly, in no world would I ever offer Parayko for that, and even a cursory glimpse of my posts would demonstrate that. I am gladly moving on with my day, a great one it was, thank you smile

Happy new year to you, and everyone else. No hard feelings here - just don't need to be so combative!
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Jan. 1, 2023 at 10:37 p.m.
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You're quite rude and I don't understand why. I'm not a Blues fan. Anyone reading this thread can determine for themselves where they hear crying coming from. Lastly, in no world would I ever offer Parayko for that, and even a cursory glimpse of my posts would demonstrate that. I am gladly moving on with my day, a great one it was, thank you smile

Happy new year to you, and everyone else. No hard feelings here - just don't need to be so combative!



It's just another crybaby who can't take fair and obvious criticism on his abject delusions so he lashes out by projecting all his behaviors on others. Welcome to Earth. squinty smile
Jan. 1, 2023 at 10:38 p.m.
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I gotta admit, it's pretty impressive.
And honestly, STL would be crazy not to at least consider this.
We all know that Simmonds, Holl, Kerfoot, Engvall and Kallgren aren't worth anything / are cap dumps to make it work. Plus, they're all expiring contracts that don't hurt STL's future.
What helps is the fact that STL is getting 3 of the Leafs top 5 prospects along with 2 firsts. That's a ton of future right there. AND STL clears 9.4 mil in long term cap. (While losing 2 fan favorites and a guy on a point a game pace).

Not saying either team does it, but both would at least consider. It's probably too big, and STL fans won't like it, but cudos on making the cap work!



Dude. Like I said, the Blues would think this offer was a practical joke. They don;t consider this carnage for a nanosecond.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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Dude. Like I said, the Blues would think this offer was a practical joke. They don;t consider this carnage for a nanosecond.


I wouldn't say it is quite on the level of "carnage" lol. There is a fair point to be made about two 1st round picks and three possibly high quality prospects, Leafs fans know better. If I had perhaps explained my side better, I would say that the 1st round picks will be essentially high 2nds, from the perspective of the receiving team (as deep a draft as this is projected to be, usually the later 1st rounders blend in with the high 2nd rounders in terms of the value you get from the player). I just couldn't see all three of those assets, particularly Parayko, being exchanged for that. It certainly is a lot for Toronto to give up in terms of their organizational depth in prospects and overall, just didn't see it getting that much, particularly with the retention on Parayko. 8 years of retention is not something GMs are willing to do unless they're getting a player like McDavid, or chance to draft a player like Bedard, in return, and they know they'll have the space to do it because they're going full rebuild and trading their high-salaried veterans for futures. I bet the Blues don't blow it up just yet. They can afford to wait and see about next season on a guy like Parayko.
Jan. 1, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.
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I wouldn't say it is quite on the level of "carnage" lol. There is a fair point to be made about two 1st round picks and three possibly high quality prospects, Leafs fans know better. If I had perhaps explained my side better, I would say that the 1st round picks will be essentially high 2nds, from the perspective of the receiving team (as deep a draft as this is projected to be, usually the later 1st rounders blend in with the high 2nd rounders in terms of the value you get from the player). I just couldn't see all three of those assets, particularly Parayko, being exchanged for that. It certainly is a lot for Toronto to give up in terms of their organizational depth in prospects and overall, just didn't see it getting that much, particularly with the retention on Parayko. 8 years of retention is not something GMs are willing to do unless they're getting a player like McDavid, or chance to draft a player like Bedard, in return, and they know they'll have the space to do it because they're going full rebuild and trading their high-salaried veterans for futures. I bet the Blues don't blow it up just yet. They can afford to wait and see about next season on a guy like Parayko.



As I noted, the massive amount of retention pretty much eats up the two 1sts. And those three prospects are B or maybe B+ at absolute best. And they're all tiny, which is rarely going to interest the Blues. And then there's all the trash they don;t need, which is still more millions in cap and salary expense, a ka more subsidization of Toronto's Cup ambitions. And then you have to factor in the cost of replacing Parayko. It's absolute carnage, pure and undiluted.
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Jan. 1, 2023 at 11:15 p.m.
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For Rhea and Dutchies

Idc how dumb this is I just can't believe I even got the money to work.


I have no idea how the $$$ worked out on this….

As far as the trade goes, obviously Parayko is the part that clogs this up. Put Krug in instead, and this is probably closer to something that might be able to get done. But I don’t see Krug being on the top of their wants list.
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I have no idea how the $$$ worked out on this….

As far as the trade goes, obviously Parayko is the part that clogs this up. Put Krug in instead, and this is probably closer to something that might be able to get done. But I don’t see Krug being on the top of their wants list.


we agree but it was fun anyway
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Jan. 1, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
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Just no shot the Blues are retaining for 8 years on Parayko.

Kerfoot probably has a bit of value, other pieces aside from niemela, robertson and Hirovenen (including the firsts) are junk.

Doubt the Blues trade Parayko, also doubt the FO is that high on Niemela or Hirovenen. Our defense has become increasingly bad as we've went away from larger bodies on the blue line. Nonetheless, they're probably at least NHLers at some point. I personally dont have much hope for Robertson to amount to much, but he's an NHL player as well.

I think it's more logical to trade the UFAs and try to piece the defense together by adding a partner who can play in all 3 zones with parayko. Althoguh, with their current contracts, i highly doubt they're able to do that for a year or two.

In all reality, i think the Leafs are much better off just targeting ROR with 50% retention for a 1st, a prospect and possibly engvall if they really need to cut salary somewhere. The prospect is going to be the intersting part if a deal is actually made.
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Just no shot the Blues are retaining for 8 years on Parayko.

Kerfoot probably has a bit of value, other pieces aside from niemela, robertson and Hirovenen (including the firsts) are junk.

Doubt the Blues trade Parayko, also doubt the FO is that high on Niemela or Hirovenen. Our defense has become increasingly bad as we've went away from larger bodies on the blue line. Nonetheless, they're probably at least NHLers at some point. I personally dont have much hope for Robertson to amount to much, but he's an NHL player as well.

I think it's more logical to trade the UFAs and try to piece the defense together by adding a partner who can play in all 3 zones with parayko. Althoguh, with their current contracts, i highly doubt they're able to do that for a year or two.

In all reality, i think the Leafs are much better off just targeting ROR with 50% retention for a 1st, a prospect and possibly engvall if they really need to cut salary somewhere. The prospect is going to be the intersting part if a deal is actually made.


"just no shot the Blues are retaining for 8 years on Parayko."

this is the main reason I knew it was impossible. also your whole response was reasonable. 1 for 3 blues fans. similar rate to canuck fans.
Jan. 2, 2023 at 12:55 a.m.
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"just no shot the Blues are retaining for 8 years on Parayko."

this is the main reason I knew it was impossible. also your whole response was reasonable. 1 for 3 blues fans. similar rate to canuck fans.


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