It's way too much, honestly

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Are the Leafs still paying Phil Kessel? $6M in cap retention is worth 1 of those 1sts. they way McCabe is playing it's arguable he's worth a pick in the early 30s. Raddysh > Bokk who's in the DEL.

Despite the crazy high return for Chicago, the Canes probably couldn’t even make this work from a cap and roster space perspective. They already have a maxed roster with Andersen on IR still. Not sure how they fit two more players, and Raddysh is probably their 14th forward.

It doesn’t make sense from a roster construction standpoint

Honestly I think the Hawks should be hesitant to do this trade. A first for McCabe is reasonable, but I think he could be worth another 3rd rounder for retention since he's been by far the best Blackhawk this season. I would stay away from Bokk. I think he could end up being a bust and Kyle Davidson isn't like Stan Bowen who trades for project players and prospects. Example being Borgstrom. Raddysh is super underrated and has good top 6 potential if he can fix his defensive game and get a better team around him. He also has another year on his league minimum contract which makes him very valuable to a contending team. He's also a part of the future I believe unless we get a good haul for him, but a late first is prob not enough.

I'm a big TRad fan as well. I could see him still being a Hawk at the end of this rebuild. For me, any team that wants him is going to "overpay" at least a little for TRad. I'd probably take the two 1st's and Bokk if Canes or another team offered it, but would hate seeing TRad go.

I'm not sure it'll be that hard. In this situation it would likely mean Coghlan gets waived and sent to the Wolves. I doubt he gets claimed, but even if he does...good for him. Hopefully he gets some ice time somewhere. He's not getting it in CAR. That'll clear both the cap hurdle and roster size. Would both of those now be maxed out...yes, but Waddell doesn't do rentals. So, what else would CAR be trading for? I would like him to be aggressive. I actually like CAR. Not as much as the Hawks, but I do want to see CAR win.

Deadline deal, send Jarvis down for the day and bring him back up TDL +1. There isn’t a 23 man restriction after the deadline, just cap ceiling.

I like TRad and I love McCabe, but we are rebuilding and this is an offer CHI couldn't refuse. So, I would accept this in a heartbeat. I've actually though about Bokk a lot lately. I wonder if putting him with a fellow German like Reichel could bring his upside back to life. He is doing really well in the DEL, he just never seemed to click in the AHL or NHL. I think TRad's stats will inflate as he starts playing with younger and higher end talent. I don't think he is a guy who is going to drive offense, but he can hang with anyone in a top 9 where needed. I doubt Carolina would be interested at this price though.

6 million over 2.5 years isn't worth a first. Neither is McCabe, for that matter. Just too much

Certainly a solution for the 23 man roster issue but not for the salary cap.

I mean $6M in Cap Space got CAR Seth Jarvis. The #13 OA pick. Sure that was $6M in one year, but there's a huge difference between a pick in the late 20's early 30's and a pick at #13. Understood it's not exact, but it's DANG close.

That was an anomaly. Me and you both know it. Also a different situation entirely

is it anomaly?
Canes just got paid a young RHD to take on a 30 goal scorer for one season. both are NHL players.
Arizona got the 5th best 2nd round pick and 7th to take on a capable O LHD who Arizona is likely to get additional assets for in 2 months.
Montreal got a 1st to eat 6 million of Monahan.
Arizona got to move 3 spots in the 1st, a 2nd, and 3rd to take on 2 years of Kassian

I'd add that not all retention is equal. We can't mix the points above with a Brent Burns. The SJS were in a very different spot. Just because $2.7M retained is the number...the situation like a NMC that Marleau had matters. The Hawks aren't asking to retain. They're acquiescing a request by CAR. It's not like CHI is remotely close to the cap ceiling.

Yes, it is absolutely an anomaly and isn't even relevant because this is about retaining salary and not dumping it.

that is same thing only the party who has the cap is changed.

Exactly. But that makes all the difference in the world. The teams you listed have the players, but not the cap space. Canes don't need to acquire McCabe. They're not desperate for the cap so salary retention would be much cheaper

This is factually incorrect. The Hawks are the team with cap space and the team doing the retaining. The Canes can't fit McCabe without the retention. It's a different question entirely, whether CARs want McCabe or not. McCabe is really just a place holder. Insert a different player and CAR will likely NEED the other team to retain. That's why multiple years of retention is so expensive. It's not a pending UFA situaiton.

Incorrect. Less leverage is present with the cap relief team, as they can just go to another team or just decline really, there is no pressure on Carolina here to make a lopsided deal. Almost all examples that you gave are team desperate to shed cap to make a free agent signing or free cap for a long term RFA signing. I'm sure Calgary didn't want to give up a first with Monahan and wouldn't under normal circumstances, but it's either have Monahan and a 1st or Nazem Kadri. Same with Columbus and Bjorkstrand, I'm sure they didn't want to give him up for that cheap but it's between either keeping him or getting Gaudreau and a 3rd and a 4th

Incorrect, CAR wants to acquire someone on at the TDL. That's part of this post. You don't have to like it or agree that CAR wants to acquire someone at the TDL. That's an entirely different question. If CAR wants McCabe...AGAIN already assumed in this post...they'll REQUIRE retention. So, they will be FORECED into retention if they want to make a move at the TDL. CAR is in the exact same situation as CGY. There's a choice. If you want McCabe at the TDL...it'll require retention. Just like it required CGY to send a 1st with Monahan.

AGAIN for the 3rd time...this post assumes CAR wants to make a TDL move. Just like CGY didn't have to sign Kadri. They made a choice to sign Kadri. IF CAR doesn't want a TDL move...then no issue. If they want McCabe...they're forced into a retention situation.

Going around in circles here. Agree to disagree