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Created by: Dylhole
Team: 2022-23 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 10, 2023
Published: Jan. 10, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($5,750,000 retained)
2.
EDM
  1. Domi, Max ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. McCabe, Jake ($2,000,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  2. Schaefer, Reid
  3. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Total shot in the dark here. Read a first for 50% of McCabe is reasonable and then winging it for a Domi rental
3.
TOR
  1. Foegele, Warren
Additional Details:
Trade would go through a third party team with them retaining half of Foegele salary for a mid to late pick. Toronto gets an upgrade on the player while Edmonton moves cap and adds some toughness
4.
EDM
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Would think more like a 4th rounder is more likely but NYR don't have one this year and their roster makes the most sense to add a depth forward to for playoffs out of the fringe playoff teams
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$78,761,500$896,000$1,350,000$3,738,500

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$798,000$798,000
C
RFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$0$0
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LD
RFA - 2
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
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UFA - 1

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Jan. 10, 2023 at 11:43 a.m.
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I don't really know where Foegele would go in the Leafs lineup and Simmonds is more valuable for TO. So, a cap dump won't be the thing that sways Dubas. If I were to guess, it would be like:

Tor receives: Foegele and 4rth

Edm receives: Simmonds and 7th
Jan. 10, 2023 at 11:44 a.m.
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San Jose isn’t retaining almost $30 mil
Jan. 10, 2023 at 11:49 a.m.
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laugh Sharks aren't eating nearly $29,000,000 on Erik Karlsson especially for Barrie and Bouchard alone. Get real Barrie is a cap dump and Bouchard alone doesn't get anywhere close to that kind of retaining on Karlsson.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.
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Erik Karlsson at a 5.75 cap hit would be the best contract in the league. This is top 3 worst proposals i've seen.
Add every first rounder until 2050 and maybe you have a deal.

This is a spitball right in Grier's face
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
I don't really know where Foegele would go in the Leafs lineup and Simmonds is more valuable for TO. So, a cap dump won't be the thing that sways Dubas. If I were to guess, it would be like:

Tor receives: Foegele and 4rth

Edm receives: Simmonds and 7th


Yeah maybe but assuming a third team takes half Foegele's salary it's a minor cap change for TO. Only 475k

Quoting: glarson17
San Jose isn’t retaining almost $30 mil


Well if they are planning on moving him they don't have much of a choice. And receiving a guy like Bouchard is a pretty solid return to do it for a non-competitive team
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Dylhole
Yeah maybe but assuming a third team takes half Foegele's salary it's a minor cap change for TO. Only 475k



Well if they are planning on moving him they don't have much of a choice. And receiving a guy like Bouchard is a pretty solid return to do it for a non-competitive team


They are also taking nearly $5 mil in Barrie back and Bouchard needs a new contract. Getting the Norris leader now for less than $6 mil aav is a steal. I don’t see how this puts the sharks in a better cap position
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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Quoting: glarson17
They are also taking nearly $5 mil in Barrie back and Bouchard needs a new contract. Getting the Norris leader now for less than $6 mil aav is a steal. I don’t see how this puts the sharks in a better cap position


Well Barrie's deal expires at the end of next season and he can be used as a trade piece next deadline as a rental to a contender (especially if the cap goes up more than 1 mill). Don't disagree it would be a huge steal to have EK under $6 mill this year but he's struggled to stay healthy already and 4 more years on a player approaching their mid-30s isn't something teams are paying top dollar for these days. I mean hell, Vegas traded Pacioretty away for free. It's hard to move big contracts with significant term
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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Hawks decline. The 2023 1st and Schaffer are probably enough for McCabe half retained IF Hawks are willing to retain for the extra 2 seasons. But Domi half retained costs your 2023 2nd. Puli has little value. He's overpaid for what he brings, and his $3m qualifying offer next year essentially makes him a pending UFA. Hawks will take him to make your cap work, but he has no value in this trade.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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Well Barrie's deal expires at the end of next season and he can be used as a trade piece next deadline as a rental to a contender (especially if the cap goes up more than 1 mill). Don't disagree it would be a huge steal to have EK under $6 mill this year but he's struggled to stay healthy already and 4 more years on a player approaching their mid-30s isn't something teams are paying top dollar for these days. I mean hell, Vegas traded Pacioretty away for free. It's hard to move big contracts with significant term


You don't seriously think that's a good trade do you?

What other team has retained that much for that long around the league? Do you think there is a reason there isn't one?
Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline. The 2023 1st and Schaffer are probably enough for McCabe half retained IF Hawks are willing to retain for the extra 2 seasons. But Domi half retained costs your 2023 2nd. Puli has little value. He's overpaid for what he brings, and his $3m qualifying offer next year essentially makes him a pending UFA. Hawks will take him to make your cap work, but he has no value in this trade.


Yeah you could be right. I would be surprised if the Oil pay Schaefer and a first for McCabe retained alone but who knows. Adding a second sounds reasonable to me though.

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You don't seriously think that's a good trade do you?

What other team has retained that much for that long around the league? Do you think there is a reason there isn't one?


Just my opinion. Realistically I doubt SJ is able to move Karlsson at all because any team that would be looking at acquiring him likely cannot commit to that kind of term. Contracts like that are more likely to end in a buyout or LTIR than anything else. If big money deals like such were so easy to move Kane probably wouldn't still be in Chicago
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.
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Domi = a 2nd round pick or better
McCabe is not going to be retained for 3 more seasons. Without retention McCabe = 2nd round pick or better.
JP doesn't have much of any value at this point.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Dylhole
Yeah you could be right. I would be surprised if the Oil pay Schaefer and a first for McCabe retained alone but who knows. Adding a second sounds reasonable to me though.



Just my opinion. Realistically I doubt SJ is able to move Karlsson at all because any team that would be looking at acquiring him likely cannot commit to that kind of term. Contracts like that are more likely to end in a buyout or LTIR than anything else. If big money deals like such were so easy to move Kane probably wouldn't still be in Chicago


Not true regarding Kane. Chicago has made zero attempts to move him. The front office has told insiders it is up to Kane, we will not ask him to be traded.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline. The 2023 1st and Schaffer are probably enough for McCabe half retained IF Hawks are willing to retain for the extra 2 seasons. But Domi half retained costs your 2023 2nd. Puli has little value. He's overpaid for what he brings, and his $3m qualifying offer next year essentially makes him a pending UFA. Hawks will take him to make your cap work, but he has no value in this trade.


Idk. If this doesn't do it, I don't think it's too far off. But I get your apprehension.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.
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Yeah maybe but assuming a third team takes half Foegele's salary it's a minor cap change for TO. Only 475k



Well if they are planning on moving him they don't have much of a choice. And receiving a guy like Bouchard is a pretty solid return to do it for a non-competitive team


except we don’t have to move him! why are we giving you a norris front runner for a decent prospect and a bad RD? zero retention mabybwe consider but 50% for 4 1/2 years is never going to happen.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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Yeah you could be right. I would be surprised if the Oil pay Schaefer and a first for McCabe retained alone but who knows. Adding a second sounds reasonable to me though.



Just my opinion. Realistically I doubt SJ is able to move Karlsson at all because any team that would be looking at acquiring him likely cannot commit to that kind of term. Contracts like that are more likely to end in a buyout or LTIR than anything else. If big money deals like such were so easy to move Kane probably wouldn't still be in Chicago

wait why is san jose buying out Karlsson? he is producing at a historic mark right now. max retain would be 2.5 and karlsson at 9 mil per is reasonable
Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Domi = a 2nd round pick or better
McCabe is not going to be retained for 3 more seasons. Without retention McCabe = 2nd round pick or better.
JP doesn't have much of any value at this point.


I could see another pick (especially conditional) added to the deal and I would think Chicago would be willing to retain on McCabe if it got them a first in this draft with how much the cap is likely to increase in the coming years but I could be wrong obviously. JP is necessary for the cap to work and is a zero risk option for Chicago. Maybe the scenery change helps him and they get a useable young player and if not he walks.

So call it a 1st, 2nd, Schaefer and JP for Domi and McCabe retained. Think some people on EDM and CHI sides could complain about that which likely means it's pretty fair
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.
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Lesser deal, but we do this all day
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
wait why is san jose buying out Karlsson? he is producing at a historic mark right now. max retain would be 2.5 and karlsson at 9 mil per is reasonable


I'm not saying SJ buys him out, Rob, I'm saying big money contracts that extend into a players late 30s are typically buyouts or LTIR near the end. 9 mill may be reasonable this year but in 2 or 3 years it could be a boat anchor. Which is why, I would guess, it'd be hard pressed for a Karlsson trade to actually happen in real life as SJ may not want to retain half and other teams may not want to risk that contract for less than half retention
Jan. 10, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Idk. If this doesn't do it, I don't think it's too far off. But I get your apprehension.


Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline. The 2023 1st and Schaffer are probably enough for McCabe half retained IF Hawks are willing to retain for the extra 2 seasons. But Domi half retained costs your 2023 2nd. Puli has little value. He's overpaid for what he brings, and his $3m qualifying offer next year essentially makes him a pending UFA. Hawks will take him to make your cap work, but he has no value in this trade.


I was gonna say, I really like Schaefer. If you're insisting we get another something of value back for the extra two years of retention, sure I get it. But unless we're planning to go all in on FA if we draft Bedard, we're gonna need help to hit the cap floor and retaining 2 mil on McCabe is a good start. The retention spot past year won't be the biggest deal in the world. We aren't going to be dealing with retaining huge amounts of money after this year because Kane and Toews will be gone so chances are we aren't going to need all 3 retention spots for a while.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Dylhole
Yeah maybe but assuming a third team takes half Foegele's salary it's a minor cap change for TO. Only 475k


TO only cares about the cap hit and 900K to 1.35 mill is a lot considering TO values Simmonds higher than Fogele
Jan. 10, 2023 at 2:29 p.m.
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Well Barrie's deal expires at the end of next season and he can be used as a trade piece next deadline as a rental to a contender (especially if the cap goes up more than 1 mill). Don't disagree it would be a huge steal to have EK under $6 mill this year but he's struggled to stay healthy already and 4 more years on a player approaching their mid-30s isn't something teams are paying top dollar for these days. I mean hell, Vegas traded Pacioretty away for free. It's hard to move big contracts with significant term


Yeah the huge “*” to a Karlsson trade is going to depend on the rest of the year health wise. I feel as though this is the best he has been in years but you never know. Some of this stuff was just bad luck but man the shredded groin sure worries you in a couple years
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 3:24 p.m.
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I'm not saying SJ buys him out, Rob, I'm saying big money contracts that extend into a players late 30s are typically buyouts or LTIR near the end. 9 mill may be reasonable this year but in 2 or 3 years it could be a boat anchor. Which is why, I would guess, it'd be hard pressed for a Karlsson trade to actually happen in real life as SJ may not want to retain half and other teams may not want to risk that contract for less than half retention


his deal ends at 36 not 40. the issue is injury not age.
for 1/2 retention sharks would need multiple 1sts and 1-2 high level prospects and zero salary dumps. otherwise it’s just horrible business and would be more logical to keep him.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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Yeah the huge “*” to a Karlsson trade is going to depend on the rest of the year health wise. I feel as though this is the best he has been in years but you never know. Some of this stuff was just bad luck but man the shredded groin sure worries you in a couple years


the groin finally looks to be 100% again and he gained back most of the mobility he lost the last few years, he does have a large injury history so i get that being an issue but he is 100% (or as close as he is ever going to get) now and would be a huge plus on any team.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 10:35 p.m.
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Quoting: goodfella
You don't seriously think that's a good trade do you?

What other team has retained that much for that long around the league? Do you think there is a reason there isn't one?


If Barrie is so valuable then why cant Holland move him for a haul? Becuase he is not
Jan. 10, 2023 at 10:37 p.m.
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I'm not saying SJ buys him out, Rob, I'm saying big money contracts that extend into a players late 30s are typically buyouts or LTIR near the end. 9 mill may be reasonable this year but in 2 or 3 years it could be a boat anchor. Which is why, I would guess, it'd be hard pressed for a Karlsson trade to actually happen in real life as SJ may not want to retain half and other teams may not want to risk that contract for less than half retention


Late 30's his deal expires at 36. I know its not as smart as signing a D-man who does really play all that well for 9.25M per year.

Holland list of mistakes is not going to net you good players to save you from missing the playoff and walking Mcdavid to UFA
 
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