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Karlsson trade

Created by: Patrickkane
Team: 2023-24 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 10, 2023
Published: Jan. 10, 2023
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SJ signs Nylander for 8x9m
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$9,000,000
2$2,750,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
2$1,200,000
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. DeBrincat, Alex [RFA Rights]
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($2,500,000 retained)
2.
SJS
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. Samsonov, Ilya [RFA Rights]
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Kähkönen, Kaapo ($1,375,000 retained)
  2. Meier, Timo [RFA Rights]
  3. 2023 5th round pick (CBJ)
3.
SJS
  1. Kassian, Zack
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$81,514,867$25,000$850,000$1,985,133
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW
RFA - 3
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
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UFA - 1
$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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LW
UFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$1,200,000$1,200,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$835,000$835,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 7:14 p.m.
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Nylander > Meier

Samsonov > Kahkonen

so robertson and a 3rd for a 5th?
Jan. 10, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
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the entire point of the leafs trading for a guy like Meier is so they have another good scoring option in the top 6 and to push guys like jarnkrok and kerfoot tothe 3rd line so they can have more depth.
This just puts them in the exact same place with a worse cap situation next year
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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If the Sens wanted an expensive guy who doesn't play much defence and scores 80+ points a season...we would just sign DeBrincat.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 7:28 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
the entire point of the leafs trading for a guy like Meier is so they have another good scoring option in the top 6 and to push guys like jarnkrok and kerfoot tothe 3rd line so they can have more depth.
This just puts them in the exact same place with a worse cap situation next year


This poster is 100% going to talk about how Nylander isn't tough and then probably attack "liberals" who don't let boys be boys
Jan. 10, 2023 at 7:35 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
This poster is 100% going to talk about how Nylander isn't tough and then probably attack "liberals" who don't let boys be boys


Nylander isn't tough.? I always laugh at the intelligence of so many hockey fans who think a player is tougher who. "can't stickhandle, so he throws the puck in the offensive zone, and then has to hit a player in order to try to retrieve the same puck, the player had possession of three second earlier." Seems like the tougher and better player is the one that can stickhandle, keep possession of the puck as opponents try to hit him." Oh well, Don Cherry's terminational of toughness has been ingrained in so many hockey fans.
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Jan. 10, 2023 at 7:41 p.m.
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Both teams in the trade for EK65 decline.

And EK65 is not waiving his NMC.

Try again.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: SNipeSHowInc
Nylander > Meier

Samsonov > Kahkonen

so robertson and a 3rd for a 5th?


Quoting: SNipeSHowInc
Nylander > Meier

Samsonov > Kahkonen

so robertson and a 3rd for a 5th?


if you legit feel Meier is not better than Nylander than your a homer for the home team and not reasonable. Meier creates scoring on his line while nylander benefits from the players around him. swap these two players and Meier’s number rocket up and Nylander’s fall significantly.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 8:34 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
This poster is 100% going to talk about how Nylander isn't tough and then probably attack "liberals" who don't let boys be boys


No not at all, go look at my posts I've defended Nylander on here recently lol.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
if you legit feel Meier is not better than Nylander than your a homer for the home team and not reasonable. Meier creates scoring on his line while nylander benefits from the players around him. swap these two players and Meier’s number rocket up and Nylander’s fall significantly.


If you dont watch the Leafs just say that lol. Hes just as good as Meier at generating offence on his own. Whether Nylander is with Tavares or Matthews hes been the one driving offence and completing the zone entries. Hes also been the one constantly stripping the puck away and generating chances off of turnovers. If you're whole logic is that if Nylander doesn't have a good finisher hes not as good, that applies to literally any playmaker.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 8:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
if you legit feel Meier is not better than Nylander than your a homer for the home team and not reasonable. Meier creates scoring on his line while nylander benefits from the players around him. swap these two players and Meier’s number rocket up and Nylander’s fall significantly.


I think Meier is better all around, but you're claim that Nylander is a passenger while Meier is a play driver is absolute bs lol.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 8:41 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
the entire point of the leafs trading for a guy like Meier is so they have another good scoring option in the top 6 and to push guys like jarnkrok and kerfoot tothe 3rd line so they can have more depth.
This just puts them in the exact same place with a worse cap situation next year


Quoting: RipNasty
This poster is 100% going to talk about how Nylander isn't tough and then probably attack "liberals" who don't let boys be boys


The problem with Nylander is when his contract is up hes going to use Marner, Tavares and Matthews as his comparable like he did last time. If Matthews and Marner get 12m+, Nylander is going to ask for at least 10M. At least this way, the Leafs can sign Meier 1st and hopefully get him at 8.5M x 8
Jan. 10, 2023 at 8:48 p.m.
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The problem with Nylander is when his contract is up hes going to use Marner, Tavares and Matthews as his comparable like he did last time. If Matthews and Marner get 12m+, Nylander is going to ask for at least 10M. At least this way, the Leafs can sign Meier 1st and hopefully get him at 8.5M x 8


uh....you realize that Nylander was the first one of them to sign right? He didnt use them as comparables because they were still on ELC's. And if he does what he did last time, he'll use players who scored comparably to him and then get a fair contract.
And as far as Meier goes, he literally has a 10 million dollar qualifying offer that if he wants he doesnt have to budge on, why would he sign for 8.5? And if Meier is gonna sign an 8.5x8 then why wouldnt Nylander?
Jan. 10, 2023 at 9:25 p.m.
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Nylander isn't tough.? I always laugh at the intelligence of so many hockey fans who think a player is tougher who. "can't stickhandle, so he throws the puck in the offensive zone, and then has to hit a player in order to try to retrieve the same puck, the player had possession of three second earlier." Seems like the tougher and better player is the one that can stickhandle, keep possession of the puck as opponents try to hit him." Oh well, Don Cherry's terminational of toughness has been ingrained in so many hockey fans.


It really is sad
Jan. 10, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.
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The problem with Nylander is when his contract is up hes going to use Marner, Tavares and Matthews as his comparable like he did last time. If Matthews and Marner get 12m+, Nylander is going to ask for at least 10M. At least this way, the Leafs can sign Meier 1st and hopefully get him at 8.5M x 8


Why wouldn't he do the same? He managed to get his team to give him he is ridiculous QO, seems like 10 million is what he wants to see
Jan. 10, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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Why wouldn't he do the same? He managed to get his team to give him he is ridiculous QO, seems like 10 million is what he wants to see


Maybe thats what he wanted if he was gonna only sign for 6M when comparable players were getting 6.5M+?
Jan. 10, 2023 at 9:50 p.m.
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uh....you realize that Nylander was the first one of them to sign right? He didnt use them as comparables because they were still on ELC's. And if he does what he did last time, he'll use players who scored comparably to him and then get a fair contract.
And as far as Meier goes, he literally has a 10 million dollar qualifying offer that if he wants he doesnt have to budge on, why would he sign for 8.5? And if Meier is gonna sign an 8.5x8 then why wouldnt Nylander?


You realize the reason the Nylander negotiation was such a debacle was he wanted 8M+ in anticipation that Marner would get the same and he didn't wanna make significantly less? He doesn't need Matthews and Marner to sign their deals to know what they're gonna demand and get, its obvious they'll get 12M+. Back when he had no leverage he was still able to get market value. What do you think will happen when hes a ufa?
Jan. 10, 2023 at 9:52 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
And if he does what he did last time, he'll use players who scored comparably to him and then get a fair contract.


You mean like last time when he used Pastrnak, Ehlers, Forsberg and Larkin? Thats why he got more than all of them despite being worse than them at the time?
Jan. 10, 2023 at 10:03 p.m.
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You mean like last time when he used Pastrnak, Ehlers, Forsberg and Larkin? Thats why he got more than all of them despite being worse than them at the time?


yeah, i mean like last time where he used players who were literal comparables to his production and then got a cap market adjusted contract that he was outperforming by a huge margine less than a year after it was signed.
Lol Larkin being better than him. good one
Jan. 10, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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yeah, i mean like last time where he used players who were literal comparables to his production and then got a cap market adjusted contract that he was outperforming by a huge margine less than a year after it was signed.
Lol Larkin being better than him. good one


His reported ask was 8M, what comparable player was making that much? His best comparable was Ehlers who got 6M x 7, Nylander got 7M x 6 lol. Nylander got greedy as hell last time but yeah im sure he'll be "fair" this time. Also Larkin had 2 more points the season before while being a more complete centre and not having one of the best goal scorers to feed the puck too. Larkin was absolutely better at the time.
Jan. 10, 2023 at 10:39 p.m.
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His reported ask was 8M, what comparable player was making that much? His best comparable was Ehlers who got 6M x 7, Nylander got 7M x 6 lol. Nylander got greedy as hell last time but yeah im sure he'll be "fair" this time. Also Larkin had 2 more points the season before while being a more complete centre and not having one of the best goal scorers to feed the puck too. Larkin was absolutely better at the time.


you do realize that every single player who has ever negotiated a contract starts way to high right?
Oh, and Ehlers got 8% of the cap with a 38 and a 64 point season with one 20+ goal season
Nylander got 8.74% of the cap with two 20+ goal 61 point season
And Larkin has never been better than nylander
Jan. 11, 2023 at 12:09 a.m.
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I think Meier is better all around, but you're claim that Nylander is a passenger while Meier is a play driver is absolute bs lol.


you don’t understand what I am saying! Is Nylander a top 6/ top line RW? Absolutly and i would argue he is top 15 RW in the Leauge! I like the player. but I would argue his stats have been inflated due to playing with Taveras Marner Matthews ETC. and yes Meier has Hertl and Couture, but we both know they are a large step down from those guys. Meier has had to put his line on his back and it shows as he leads the league in generating high risk scoring chances. Meier and Nylander are close, But Meier is the better player.
Jan. 11, 2023 at 1:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
you don’t understand what I am saying! Is Nylander a top 6/ top line RW? Absolutly and i would argue he is top 15 RW in the Leauge! I like the player. but I would argue his stats have been inflated due to playing with Taveras Marner Matthews ETC. and yes Meier has Hertl and Couture, but we both know they are a large step down from those guys. Meier has had to put his line on his back and it shows as he leads the league in generating high risk scoring chances. Meier and Nylander are close, But Meier is the better player.


Yeah Meier is the better player, but I think Nylander would still produce at the same rate in San Jose. Auston Matthews hasn't even been anything special this year like the guys been a passenger most nights, Nylander has looked better for a lot of the season. I think Matthews has benefited from Nylander just as much as Nylander benefits from playing with him.
Jan. 11, 2023 at 1:45 a.m.
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you do realize that every single player who has ever negotiated a contract starts way to high right?
Oh, and Ehlers got 8% of the cap with a 38 and a 64 point season with one 20+ goal season
Nylander got 8.74% of the cap with two 20+ goal 61 point season
And Larkin has never been better than nylander


Nylander and Ehlers contracts started the same year so idk why you're using different cap %. Also like I said, Nylander used Marner potential contact as a benchmark, which is why he took so long to get signed. Ehlers signed before his ELC even expired. You're kidding yourself if Nylander was being "fair" that whole negotiation. Yes hes underpaid now, but he got above market value.
Jan. 11, 2023 at 6:52 a.m.
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Maybe thats what he wanted if he was gonna only sign for 6M when comparable players were getting 6.5M+?


You never miss an opportunity to miss the point to do you?
Jan. 11, 2023 at 7:44 a.m.
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Nylander and Ehlers contracts started the same year so idk why you're using different cap %. Also like I said, Nylander used Marner potential contact as a benchmark, which is why he took so long to get signed. Ehlers signed before his ELC even expired. You're kidding yourself if Nylander was being "fair" that whole negotiation. Yes hes underpaid now, but he got above market value.


Ehlers signed in october of 2017, Nylander in December of 2018. Dude, we are literally on the most popular cap site on the internet, the information including dates, caphits, cap percents and everything else is literally right there.
And You cant use a 'potential' contract as a bench mark because it doesnt exist, you gotta stop making stuff up and do the smallest bit of research instead of regurgitating whatever you think you remember nick kypreos ranting about.
Nylander has always been paid at at least market value, and you hoping back and forth between made up points doesnt change that.
 
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