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I am sure I will get roasted by canucks fans for not including enough and roasted by sabres fans for giving up too much
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Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:43 p.m.
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Think about what you would want for Tage Thompson, and then add more because the Canucks would be the most poverty of poverty if Petey left


LOL. Add more? Tage has 31 goals. Pettersson has never topped 32. Oh, and Tage is doing that at $1.4mm.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:43 p.m.
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Sorry, but I don't understand how you think he could command more than that. Please provide some evidence to back up your claim.

I mean Tkachuk, as noted above, a fellow 24-year-old at the time of the trade, one who actually did have a 100-point season to his name, netted an old Huberdeau with a season left on his deal (former #3OA), and an old Weegar with a season left on his deal, a 1st and a (former 3rd round) prospect.

In what world does Petterson command more than that?

Not sure what Kasper has anything to do with this discussion. Just because he was selected ahead of Savoie, doesn't really mean anything when discussing the merits of a trade like this.

VAN has zero cap space. To turn down 4 cheap quality assets for 1 is just bad asset management. Again, not like the Sabres or any other team would offer that much.


Pettersson is on pace for have a 100 point season on the poverty Canucks. Tkachuk said he wouldn't sign with Calgary which FORCED the Flames to trade him. Unless Pettersson forces himself out, the Canucks have ZERO incentive to move him at all
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.
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Exactly, they don't happen much because players like Pettersson don't get moved


Yes, they do. Gretzky, Lindros, Tkachuk, Seguin, Karlsson....I could keep going.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:45 p.m.
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LOL. Add more? Tage has 31 goals. Pettersson has never topped 32. Oh, and Tage is doing that at $1.4mm.


And Bo Horvat has 30 goals this season. Does that mean he is better than Pettersson? Talk about poor logic. Pettersson isn't a goal scorer, and he is on a much worse team than Thompson. It is a very fair comparable. Both elite 1C. Neither team have any incentive to move them. Why should Vancouver trade Pettersson for anything less than a MASSIVE overpay? Pettersson hasn't requested a trade yet so there is no reason to even think of moving him.

Edit: If you really want to dig deep, Pettersson is having a better year offensively and by far better defensively.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:46 p.m.
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Pettersson is on pace for have a 100 point season on the poverty Canucks. Tkachuk said he wouldn't sign with Calgary which FORCED the Flames to trade him. Unless Pettersson forces himself out, the Canucks have ZERO incentive to move him at all


Being bad at hockey should be enough incentive to move anyone that would turn "being bad at hockey" to "being good at hockey".
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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Yes, they do. Gretzky, Lindros, Tkachuk, Seguin, Karlsson....I could keep going.


A whopping 5 trades in what, the last 30+ years? Wow... First of all, Karlsson is a TERRIBLE comparable for Pettersson. Different position, different age, different contract situation. Seguin was traded as a prospect. Hardly a comparable. Lindros also forced his way out as a prospect. You are really terrible at finding comparables tears of joy
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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Being bad at hockey should be enough incentive to move anyone that would turn "being bad at hockey" to "being good at hockey".


I fail to see how trading by far their best player is going to make them better...
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:47 p.m.
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And Bo Horvat has 30 goals this season. Does that mean he is better than Pettersson? Talk about poor logic. Pettersson isn't a goal scorer, and he is on a much worse team than Thompson. It is a very fair comparable. Both elite 1C. Neither team have any incentive to move them. Why should Vancouver trade Pettersson for anything less than a MASSIVE overpay? Pettersson hasn't requested a trade yet so there is no reason to even think of moving him.


How do you dismiss their cap hits on a website called "capfriendly"?
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.
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How do you dismiss their cap hits on a website called "capfriendly"?


How do you dismiss the fact that Thompson has an extension in place for 7+ million? Jeez man, this is really embarassing for you
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:52 p.m.
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A whopping 5 trades in what, the last 30+ years? Wow... First of all, Karlsson is a TERRIBLE comparable for Pettersson. Different position, different age, different contract situation. Seguin was traded as a prospect. Hardly a comparable. Lindros also forced his way out as a prospect. You are really terrible at finding comparables tears of joy


Excuse me? Those are just 5 that I thought of in 5 seconds. Seguin played 3 years in BOS. That's not a prospect.

Okay, give me 1 more minute:

Eichel, Tkachuk, Huberdeau, Burns, Panarin, DeBrincat, Laine, DuBois, ROR, Stone....

I mean I can keep going.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:53 p.m.
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How do you dismiss the fact that Thompson has an extension in place for 7+ million? Jeez man, this is really embarassing for you


Yea, 7 years at $7.14mm. How is that embarrassing? Tage will outproduce Petey and make far less money. What's embarrassing?
Jan. 16, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.
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Yea, 7 years at $7.14mm. How is that embarrassing? Tage will outproduce Petey and make far less money. What's embarrassing?


Embarassing that you completely ignore the fact that Thompson has an extension in place and pretending that he is much more valuable because he has half a year left at 1.4 million. Tage is having the worse season. He is a defensive liability, and only slightly outproduced Pettersson
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:00 p.m.
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I fail to see how trading by far their best player is going to make them better...


Eichel was arguably the Sabres "best" player. Worked wonders for us. And, I don't fault VAN fans for expecting the world. BUF fans, myself included, thought we might net a return of 4 1st round picks (future or former).

It's just not realistic. Quantity wins. Pettersson only plays a certain amount of minutes, makes a lot of money, and is an injury away of being out of the line-up.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
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Eichel was arguably the Sabres "best" player. Worked wonders for us. And, I don't fault VAN fans for expecting the world. BUF fans, myself included, thought we might net a return of 4 1st round picks (future or former).

It's just not realistic. Quantity wins. Pettersson only plays a certain amount of minutes, makes a lot of money, and is an injury away of being out of the line-up.


Eichel is a terrible comparable. Older, more expensive, wanted out, required a career threatning surgery. How can you even compare the two? Also, Pettersson plays a lot of minutes, I am not sure what you are talking about. Lets not pretend that everyone in the league is one injury away from being out the lineup. Pettersson has generally been pretty healthy....
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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Embarassing that you completely ignore the fact that Thompson has an extension in place and pretending that he is much more valuable because he has half a year left at 1.4 million. Tage is having the worse season. He is a defensive liability, and only slightly outproduced Pettersson


Hmm? You just said Tage plays on a better team. The team is better because of Tage. He should be getting Hart Trophy nods if he keeps it up. He's scored more goals than McDavid over the past 82 team games played (that was last I checked, but he's be 0 goals for 5 games now, so McDavid is probably ahead, still...who scored more than McDavid? Not Petterson).

VAN fans are crazy. How is Pettersson better than Tage?

I didn't ignore anything. In fact I just specifically noted the very team-friendly contract that Tage has. He's scoring at a pace that only McDavid does, while making 1/12th his contract. And even when next year's contract kicks in, he'll be making 7/12ths of his deal...until McDavid re-ups again.

Embarrassing that you don't take any of this into account smile
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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Hmm? You just said Tage plays on a better team. The team is better because of Tage. He should be getting Hart Trophy nods if he keeps it up. He's scored more goals than McDavid over the past 82 team games played (that was last I checked, but he's be 0 goals for 5 games now, so McDavid is probably ahead, still...who scored more than McDavid? Not Petterson).

VAN fans are crazy. How is Pettersson better than Tage?

I didn't ignore anything. In fact I just specifically noted the very team-friendly contract that Tage has. He's scoring at a pace that only McDavid does, while making 1/12th his contract. And even when next year's contract kicks in, he'll be making 7/12ths of his deal...until McDavid re-ups again.

Embarrassing that you don't take any of this into account smile


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Hmm? You just said Tage plays on a better team. The team is better because of Tage. He should be getting Hart Trophy nods if he keeps it up. He's scored more goals than McDavid over the past 82 team games played (that was last I checked, but he's be 0 goals for 5 games now, so McDavid is probably ahead, still...who scored more than McDavid? Not Petterson).

VAN fans are crazy. How is Pettersson better than Tage?

I didn't ignore anything. In fact I just specifically noted the very team-friendly contract that Tage has. He's scoring at a pace that only McDavid does, while making 1/12th his contract. And even when next year's contract kicks in, he'll be making 7/12ths of his deal...until McDavid re-ups again.

Embarrassing that you don't take any of this into account smile


Which player is having the better individual season?

Player A:
(EVO)Even strength offense: 7
(EVD) Even strength defense: -2.9
( Off)Offense: 12
(Def) Defense: -3.8
(GAR) Goals above replacement: 8.7
(WAR) Wins above replacement: 1.4
(SPAR) Standing points above replacement: 2.8
Points/60 minutes: 4.41
5v5 points/60 minutes: 3.25

Player B:
(EVO) Even strength offense: 8.3
(EVD) Even strength defense: 1.8
(Off) Offense: 11.3
(Def) Defense: 1.2
(GAR) Goals above replacement: 14.2
(WAR) Wins above replacement: 2.4
(SPAR) Standing points above replacement: 4.6
Points/60 minutes: 3.82
5v5 points/60 minutes: 3.31
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:06 p.m.
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Hmm? You just said Tage plays on a better team. The team is better because of Tage. He should be getting Hart Trophy nods if he keeps it up. He's scored more goals than McDavid over the past 82 team games played (that was last I checked, but he's be 0 goals for 5 games now, so McDavid is probably ahead, still...who scored more than McDavid? Not Petterson).

VAN fans are crazy. How is Pettersson better than Tage?

I didn't ignore anything. In fact I just specifically noted the very team-friendly contract that Tage has. He's scoring at a pace that only McDavid does, while making 1/12th his contract. And even when next year's contract kicks in, he'll be making 7/12ths of his deal...until McDavid re-ups again.

Embarrassing that you don't take any of this into account smile


Tage Thompson has only 6 more points than Pettersson. McDavid has 25 more points than Thompson. Never compare McDavid and Thompson again, it is just embarassing
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:09 p.m.
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Eichel is a terrible comparable. Older, more expensive, wanted out, required a career threatning surgery. How can you even compare the two? Also, Pettersson plays a lot of minutes, I am not sure what you are talking about. Lets not pretend that everyone in the league is one injury away from being out the lineup. Pettersson has generally been pretty healthy....


Older? Eichel just turned 25 at the time of the trade. Petterson will be 25 in Nov.

More expensive in the immediate, but less expensive in the long-term.
Pettersson may be wanting out too.
Eichel played more minutes (20:19) than Pettersson (18:41).

How can I compare the two? Because it's pretty easy to compare them.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:11 p.m.
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Older? Eichel just turned 25 at the time of the trade. Petterson will be 25 in Nov.

More expensive in the immediate, but less expensive in the long-term.
Pettersson may be wanting out too.
Eichel played more minutes (20:19) than Pettersson (18:41).

How can I compare the two? Because it's pretty easy to compare them.


Does Pettersson require a major surgery that has a risk of ruining his career? No. Has he actively demanded a trade? No. Pettersson is also playing better than Eichel ever has
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Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:11 p.m.
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Tage Thompson has only 6 more points than Pettersson. McDavid has 25 more points than Thompson. Never compare McDavid and Thompson again, it is just embarassing


Never compared their points. I compared their goal-scoring prowess...which I value much more than assists, especially when secondary assists are included. Not all points are created equal.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:12 p.m.
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Never compared their points. I compared their goal-scoring prowess...which I value much more than assists, especially when secondary assists are included. Not all points are created equal.


So Bo Horvat and Tage Thompson are in the same tier according to your logic right?
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:12 p.m.
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Does Pettersson require a major surgery that has a risk of ruining his career? No. Has he actively demanded a trade? No. Pettersson is also playing better than Eichel ever has


Calm down. I'm sure you're happy with the direction of your franchise. Keep everyone.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:13 p.m.
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So Bo Horvat and Tage Thompson are in the same tier according to your logic right?


I mean, Bo has fewer goals and fewer points and will sign for more money than Tage, so no.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.
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I mean, Bo has fewer goals and fewer points and will sign for more money than Tage, so no.


They basically have the same amount of goals. I thought points weren't as imporant? You can't even make an argument without contradicting yourself.
Jan. 16, 2023 at 11:15 p.m.
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Calm down. I'm sure you're happy with the direction of your franchise. Keep everyone.


I'm sure trading Elias Pettersson is the perfect solution to correcting the franchise. You're so smart! Don't be so arrogant and ignorant.
 
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