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Tarasenko to NYI

Created by: Haynezy
Published: Jan. 18, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Season Days: 85/185 (46%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the New York IslandersNew York Islanders

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Wahlstrom, OliverNew York IslandersIR-$410,833011---357916--
2024 3rd round pick (Logo of the New York IslandersNYI)---010------
2024 5th round pick (Logo of the New York IslandersNYI)---001------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Tarasenko, VladimirSt. Louis BluesIR50%$1,722,973011---34101929--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$1,563,3252345603612
Change-$1,312,1400000-1-1
Final$251,185 (↓)23456035 (↓)11 (↓)31013

Logo of the St. Louis BluesSt. Louis Blues

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Tarasenko, VladimirSt. Louis BluesIR50%$3,750,000011---34101929--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Wahlstrom, OliverNew York IslandersIR-$894,167011---357916--
2024 3rd round pick (Logo of the New York IslandersNYI)---010------
2024 5th round pick (Logo of the New York IslandersNYI)---001------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$5,146,6672248643512
Change$2,855,833000011
Final$8,002,500 (↑)22486436 (↑)13 (↑)-3-10-13
Jan. 18, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.
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No, the Isles are not trading young players for rentals.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.
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I don't think that's gonna get it done, man. Wahlstrom's combination of weak skating burst and highly inconsistent compete is not one the Blues tend to be enamored with so much. He's got loads of skill, but doesn;t seem able to make it really translate.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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No, the Isles are not trading young players for rentals.


I think Tarasenko would sign with NYI if he gets traded there.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.
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I don't think that's gonna get it done, man. Wahlstrom's combination of weak skating burst and highly inconsistent compete is not one the Blues tend to be enamored with so much. He's got loads of skill, but doesn;t seem able to make it really translate.


Wahlstrom has been a bit of a let down but he's still young and it's better than losing Tarasenko for nothing to free agency. From what I've heard, not many teams are interested in acquiring Tarasenko and have the cap space to sign him.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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Wahlstrom has been a bit of a let down but he's still young and it's better than losing Tarasenko for nothing to free agency. From what I've heard, not many teams are interested in acquiring Tarasenko and have the cap space to sign him.


1 - This is not a binary thing. It's not: you have two options, make this trade with the Isles or lose him for nothing. There's plenty of other teams who will be involved, which is just one more reason this offer is weak.

2 - Still young is great. Skilled is great. Good size is great. Poor skating relative to NHLers and poor compete are major issues - letdown is quite the understatement. And the Blues are not exactly short of young offensive wingers, either. It's not a competitive offer. Probably not even close, to be honest.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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I don't think that's gonna get it done, man. Wahlstrom's combination of weak skating burst and highly inconsistent compete is not one the Blues tend to be enamored with so much. He's got loads of skill, but doesn;t seem able to make it really translate.


Wahlstrom has consistent compete, he is one of the isles best forecheckers and the isles consistently outplay the opposition with him on the ice. His skating doesn’t affect anything because he is above average in transition and gets his shot off from anywhere in the o zone.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 1:03 p.m.
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Wahlstrom has been a bit of a let down but he's still young and it's better than losing Tarasenko for nothing to free agency. From what I've heard, not many teams are interested in acquiring Tarasenko and have the cap space to sign him.


Wahlstrom is one of the isles best players , he isn’t close to a letdown
Jan. 18, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.
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Wahlstrom has been a bit of a let down but he's still young and it's better than losing Tarasenko for nothing to free agency. From what I've heard, not many teams are interested in acquiring Tarasenko and have the cap space to sign him.


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1 - This is not a binary thing. It's not: you have two options, make this trade with the Isles or lose him for nothing. There's plenty of other teams who will be involved, which is just one more reason this offer is weak.

2 - Still young is great. Skilled is great. Good size is great. Poor skating relative to NHLers and poor compete are major issues - letdown is quite the understatement. And the Blues are not exactly short of young offensive wingers, either. It's not a competitive offer. Probably not even close, to be honest.


tarasenko can't even produce at a better rate than wahlstrom at even strength.

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Jan. 18, 2023 at 1:07 p.m.
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Wahlstrom has been a bit of a let down but he's still young and it's better than losing Tarasenko for nothing to free agency. From what I've heard, not many teams are interested in acquiring Tarasenko and have the cap space to sign him.


Quoting: mokumboi
1 - This is not a binary thing. It's not: you have two options, make this trade with the Isles or lose him for nothing. There's plenty of other teams who will be involved, which is just one more reason this offer is weak.

2 - Still young is great. Skilled is great. Good size is great. Poor skating relative to NHLers and poor compete are major issues - letdown is quite the understatement. And the Blues are not exactly short of young offensive wingers, either. It's not a competitive offer. Probably not even close, to be honest.


wahlstrom is close to 2x as valuable as tarasenko this season.

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Jan. 18, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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I think Tarasenko would sign with NYI if he gets traded there.


the isles don't want or need to sign tarasenko
Jan. 18, 2023 at 4:24 p.m.
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the isles don't want or need to sign tarasenko


I've heard otherwise. Apparently, the NYI are the most interested. They need scoring, help on the PP and are pushing for a playoff spot. Having a Stanley Cup winning sniper is what this team needs. Also, 35 GP is a very small sample size and those statistics are relative to who is on the ice. Based on my knowledge, Wahlstrom spends majority of his time against 3rd line opponents. Pedigree matters, especially in the playoffs.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.
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1 - This is not a binary thing. It's not: you have two options, make this trade with the Isles or lose him for nothing. There's plenty of other teams who will be involved, which is just one more reason this offer is weak.

2 - Still young is great. Skilled is great. Good size is great. Poor skating relative to NHLers and poor compete are major issues - letdown is quite the understatement. And the Blues are not exactly short of young offensive wingers, either. It's not a competitive offer. Probably not even close, to be honest.


1 - What other teams?

2 - Although his skating is weak, you can offset his weaknesses by surrounding him with players who "make-up" for it. Look at Arthur Kaliyev for example, he is a top heavy player who doesn't skate well and can be a liability in the defensive zone. However, when the Kings surrounded him with players who can skate and be responsible defensively - this allows Arthur to "cheat" and get good offensive opportunities which is what has made him effective. I think St. Louis could potentially do the same for Wahlstrom and that's why they would have interest.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 4:47 p.m.
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1 - What other teams?

2 - Although his skating is weak, you can offset his weaknesses by surrounding him with players who "make-up" for it. Look at Arthur Kaliyev for example, he is a top heavy player who doesn't skate well and can be a liability in the defensive zone. However, when the Kings surrounded him with players who can skate and be responsible defensively - this allows Arthur to "cheat" and get good offensive opportunities which is what has made him effective. I think St. Louis could potentially do the same for Wahlstrom and that's why they would have interest.


1 - I'm not going to pretend to have a definitive list of teams, but c'mon. He's one of the best playoff snipers in the league.

2 - There's no pace for cthanks. floaters in the Blues system, thanks.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.
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I've heard otherwise. Apparently, the NYI are the most interested. They need scoring, help on the PP and are pushing for a playoff spot. Having a Stanley Cup winning sniper is what this team needs. Also, 35 GP is a very small sample size and those statistics are relative to who is on the ice. Based on my knowledge, Wahlstrom spends majority of his time against 3rd line opponents. Pedigree matters, especially in the playoffs.


Tarasenko is regressing and the isles don’t need pedigree. They aren’t making the playoffs.

Wahlstrom over the last 3 seasons has had the impact of a 2nd line winger based on his rate numbers and analytics. 35 games is also a great sample size to argue that the isles shouldn’t be trading Wahlstrom for Tarasenko. I don’t know where you’ve came up that he goes up against 3rd liners - he faces similar quality of competition to Tarasenko.

This is an awful trade for the isles
Jan. 18, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.
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1 - I'm not going to pretend to have a definitive list of teams, but c'mon. He's one of the best playoff snipers in the league.

2 - There's no pace for cthanks. floaters in the Blues system, thanks.


1 - When you said "there's plenty of other teams" I thought you had specific teams in mind to back up what you're saying.

2 - No problem.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 5:32 p.m.
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1 - I'm not going to pretend to have a definitive list of teams, but c'mon. He's one of the best playoff snipers in the league.

2 - There's no pace for cthanks. floaters in the Blues system, thanks.


Wahlstrom has better work ethic than most of the blues wingers.I bet You can’t find examples of Wahlstrom floating since he entered the NHL

He makes plays like this almost every game



Jan. 18, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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Tarasenko is regressing and the isles don’t need pedigree. They aren’t making the playoffs.

Wahlstrom over the last 3 seasons has had the impact of a 2nd line winger based on his rate numbers and analytics. 35 games is also a great sample size to argue that the isles shouldn’t be trading Wahlstrom for Tarasenko. I don’t know where you’ve came up that he goes up against 3rd liners - he faces similar quality of competition to Tarasenko.

This is an awful trade for the isles


I agree Tarasenko is regressing but I wouldn't be surprised to see him "bounce-back" on a new team. Also, I think having Tarasenko gives the NYI a better chance to make and have success in the playoffs.

Wahlstrom's average TOI is 12 minutes lol. A 2nd line winger doesn't play 12 minutes a game. I disagree that 35 GP is a large sample size. 35 GP played worth of statistics are not indicative of a player's future performance. If you are up-to-date with line combinations over the last 3 seasons, you would know that Wahlstrom has spent majority of his time on the 3rd line and his average TOI reflects that. So I didn't "come-up" with him going against 3rd liners - the numbers support him as a 3rd line player. He has always been behind Palmeri and Bailey and doesn't get time on PP1. I don't know how you can say he faces similar opposition to Tarasenko who has won a Stanley Cup and has played against top-end players over his career. It seems you think Wahlstrom is better than he actually is.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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Wahlstrom has better work ethic than most of the blues wingers.I bet You can’t find examples of Wahlstrom floating since he entered the NHL

He makes plays like this almost every game





Meh, good pinch by the defensemen.
Jan. 18, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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1 - When you said "there's plenty of other teams" I thought you had specific teams in mind to back up what you're saying.

2 - No problem.


Well, I mean, he has been linked to damn near half the league. With that much smoke, there's bound to be a few fires
Jan. 18, 2023 at 7:20 p.m.
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Tarasenko is regressing and the isles don’t need pedigree. They aren’t making the playoffs.

Wahlstrom over the last 3 seasons has had the impact of a 2nd line winger based on his rate numbers and analytics. 35 games is also a great sample size to argue that the isles shouldn’t be trading Wahlstrom for Tarasenko. I don’t know where you’ve came up that he goes up against 3rd liners - he faces similar quality of competition to Tarasenko.

This is an awful trade for the isles


The regression argument is such a lazy one.

He was an injury issue before, he’s regressing now.

The injury concern was legit and wasn’t as lazy as this.

He’s coming off the best season of his career. Shall we ignore that or in turn look at a monumentally bad season by pretty much the whole Blues team together and point a finger and go oh my goodness he’s over 24??? He has to be on a downward trend!!!

Yet we see consistently elite offensive players who aren’t reliant on their top end skating produce more later in their careers over and over again.

It’s boring and very lazy. If you want to point to regression with absolutely no reason for knowing why aside from said player is having a bad season maybe do it after a series of seasons of a downward trend. Not towards a player who is coming off of his statistically best season of his career.
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Jan. 18, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.
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I agree Tarasenko is regressing but I wouldn't be surprised to see him "bounce-back" on a new team. Also, I think having Tarasenko gives the NYI a better chance to make and have success in the playoffs.

Wahlstrom's average TOI is 12 minutes lol. A 2nd line winger doesn't play 12 minutes a game. I disagree that 35 GP is a large sample size. 35 GP played worth of statistics are not indicative of a player's future performance. If you are up-to-date with line combinations over the last 3 seasons, you would know that Wahlstrom has spent majority of his time on the 3rd line and his average TOI reflects that. So I didn't "come-up" with him going against 3rd liners - the numbers support him as a 3rd line player. He has always been behind Palmeri and Bailey and doesn't get time on PP1. I don't know how you can say he faces similar opposition to Tarasenko who has won a Stanley Cup and has played against top-end players over his career. It seems you think Wahlstrom is better than he actually is.


Tarasenko is 31, he's not having a bounce back season on a new team. I think you're failing to comprehend that players over 30 do not continue to get better.

Wahlstrom has a 3 year sample size of scoring goals at a top 6 rate, not 35 games. Do you not understand that rate numbers are a better indicator of a players performance than GP?
His Analytics show that he's had a 2nd line impact and the best two way forward on the islanders. Wahlstrom's quality of competition percentage is 68%. over the 3 seasons, which means that he faces tougher competition than 68%. of NHL forwards.

Wahlstrom ranks 4th in goals above replacement (best metric for evaluating forwards) over the last 3 seasons Out of 20 forwards who have played for the isles...and he's only 22. The isles are not trading him for a regressing winger who won't do anything to help them make the playoffs.

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Jan. 18, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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Meh, good pinch by the defensemen.


tears of joy - entering the zone with possession, fending off a defender without losing the puck and beating coverage has a lot more to do with the goal than a pinch. Anyone who is higher up in hockey or does anything regarding stats would give Wahlstorm most of the credit for "driving the play"
Jan. 18, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.
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The regression argument is such a lazy one.

He was an injury issue before, he’s regressing now.

The injury concern was legit and wasn’t as lazy as this.

He’s coming off the best season of his career. Shall we ignore that or in turn look at a monumentally bad season by pretty much the whole Blues team together and point a finger and go oh my goodness he’s over 24??? He has to be on a downward trend!!!

Yet we see consistently elite offensive players who aren’t reliant on their top end skating produce more later in their careers over and over again.

It’s boring and very lazy. If you want to point to regression with absolutely no reason for knowing why aside from said player is having a bad season maybe do it after a series of seasons of a downward trend. Not towards a player who is coming off of his statistically best season of his career.


Last season was not the best of his career, points don't tell the whole story. He's 31 years old, not 25. Its only going to get worse from here

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Jan. 19, 2023 at 10:39 a.m.
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Last season was not the best of his career, points don't tell the whole story. He's 31 years old, not 25. Its only going to get worse from here

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This is a chart from this season no?

I don’t think anybody has every said Tarasenko is a defensive wizard.

Even regardless of this, this doesn’t isolate the player. This is pretty telling of probably 95% of the Blues players season. Offense is slightly returning to normal from last season where everyone overachieved a bit and the defense is brutal.

Ever think that maybe the other 4 guys on the ice contribute to the awful defensive scores? Like say I don’t know they defensemen and centers who can’t cover the backdoor because they’re too busy puck watching? Because that’s essentially been the story of the Blues season. The graph just adds no context and doesn’t really single out a player verse others from the team. Nor does it show any valid reason to think last year wasn’t his best career year or that there is regression season to season.

But I will give you the color coating is nice
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Jan. 19, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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This is a chart from this season no?

I don’t think anybody has every said Tarasenko is a defensive wizard.

Even regardless of this, this doesn’t isolate the player. This is pretty telling of probably 95% of the Blues players season. Offense is slightly returning to normal from last season where everyone overachieved a bit and the defense is brutal.

Ever think that maybe the other 4 guys on the ice contribute to the awful defensive scores? Like say I don’t know they defensemen and centers who can’t cover the backdoor because they’re too busy puck watching? Because that’s essentially been the story of the Blues season. The graph just adds no context and doesn’t really single out a player verse others from the team. Nor does it show any valid reason to think last year wasn’t his best career year or that there is regression season to season.

But I will give you the color coating is nice


It is from this season.

These are isolated metrics - Tarasenko was bad defensively last season too. If he’s not scoring goals he doesn’t bring much value
 
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