Quoting: Haynezy
Yes, production is influenced by teammates, I never said it isn't - but it's not everything. Individual performance is the biggest factor when evaluating a players offensive impact, not performance of their teammates - it's just related. This is why you can put an elite player anywhere in the lineup and they will produce regardless of their teammates. Yes, better teammates will lead to better production but individual ability is being overlooked.
I never said Wahlstrom wasn't on pace for 22 goals his rookie year. I said he has never had a 22 goal season. There's a difference between being on pace for something and actually achieving it. And look what happened the year after... typical sophomore slump and it was a bad one. How can you be so sure he won't regress next season? Also, he was primarily a 3rd liner his rookie season did not consistently play against top players (1st liners) and his ice time reflects that. Playing 4th line minutes shows he's not ready for more ice time - it's not a good thing. If he was consistently playing against top players he would get top minutes. That's just logic. I don't care if he can play against top players for 3 shifts - he has to be able to match them. To say he was playing 4th line minutes against top players is incorrect and contradicts itself.
It seems you don't understand that I'm drawing from facts as well. I'm not arguing who has the better "OFF" this season - which is subject to change but may not. I'm just saying I think Tarasenko can be more valuable from a production standpoint than Wahlstrom because of his previous success, not his current success. You're also not accounting that if Wahlstrom gets more ice time it's possible that his statistics will regress and that's why he doesn't get more ice time - it's because he is the most effective averaging 12 minutes a season.
If he is truly 4x more valuable than Tarasenko let's see if he gets 4x more money on his next contract.
I don't think you understand relativity or how to read in-between the lines.
points are not the only thing that measures individual performance. If anything points lack a lot of context. There are many terrible forwards who put up respectable point totals. Tarasenko has regressed in every aspect of the game and he is barley providing positive value. He's a 3rd liner on a cup contender, average 3rd liner on other teams.
Analytics are a much better indicator of a players overall impact than your eye test. You haven't given me any facts, just your opinion. Players who produce and have strong analytics actually improve in a bigger role. Not getting top 6 ice time is actually a harder role than if he had more ice time. That has been proven many times with young forwards.
Your logic with ice time makes no sense. There are many young players who don't get the ice time they deserve,, what you are assuming is that every decision a coach makes is correct. Wahlstrom was playing against top competition but isles notoriously play their veterans forwards more than young players no matter how good the young forwards play.
That is not how contracts work, im sure you know that though. Tarasenko is at the end of his deal and on the decline, wahlstrom is an RFA with no arb rights.
Speaking of wahlstrom's sophomore slump, yes he did have one. Like almost all players do. This season on a minute per minute basis he's at the top of the league in terms of value. 20-21 was his rookie season where he played very well, then 21-22 sophomore slump and he shot up this season,. A normal development curve.