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Team: 2022-23 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 21, 2023
Published: Jan. 21, 2023
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  1. Colton, Ross
  2. Duke, Dylan [Reserve List]
  3. Foote, Cal
  4. Namestnikov, Vladislav
  5. Thompson, Jack
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Jan. 21, 2023 at 10:40 a.m.
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That’s not close tbh.
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Jan. 21, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.
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My most generous interpretation….

Colton / Foote / 2nd = Horvat
Duke / 2nd / 3rd = Kuzmenko
Namestnikov / Thompson = Schenn

Value-wise, its probably not terrible in a buyers market. But I would imagine VAN wants at least premium asset.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 10:53 a.m.
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Does this get TB closer to the cup this year? Probably.
Does it get TB a lot closer to being Chicago in a few years? Definitely.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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This is a remarkably terrible offer.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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My most generous interpretation….

Colton / Foote / 2nd = Horvat
Duke / 2nd / 3rd = Kuzmenko
Namestnikov / Thompson = Schenn

Value-wise, its probably not terrible in a buyers market. But I would imagine VAN wants at least premium asset.


If that's your idea of values, might I offer you Bo, Pearson, Klimovich for J. Hughes then
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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If that's your idea of values, might I offer you Bo, Pearson, Klimovich for J. Hughes then


It was my “most generous interpretation”. Couple good pieces in there, but Vancouver could do better.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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It was my “most generous interpretation”. Couple good pieces in there, but Vancouver could do better.


No it's definitely terrible. There is literally nothing of value. Foote maybe is worth a 2nd.

These are the values I see.

Bo 1st, prospect, 3rd
Kuzemenko 1st maybe small add
Schenn 3rd (could even be a 2nd)
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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It was my “most generous interpretation”. Couple good pieces in there, but Vancouver could do better.


There are literally no good pieces outside of the second round picks. A bunch of garbage and a couple picks (not even a first round pick). This might get Kuzmenko if you're lucky
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
No it's definitely terrible. There is literally nothing of value. Foote maybe is worth a 2nd.

These are the values I see.

Bo 1st, prospect, 3rd
Kuzemenko 1st maybe small add
Schenn 3rd (could even be a 2nd)


I would not argue with any of those prices. But the difference here is you are getting players instead of picks. If one were to price out each piece individually,

Colten = late 1st
Foote = 2nd
Duke = 3rd
Namestnikov = 4th
Thompson = 4th

Then, if you made some simple assumptions…

2nd + 3rd + 3rd = late 1st
4th + 4th = 3rd

Then it is not hard to come up with this….

Horvat = Colton / Foote / 2nd = late 1st, 2nd, 2nd
Kuzmenko = Duke / 2nd / 3rd = late 1st
Schenn = Namestnikov / Thompson = 3rd

Vancouver can easily say we don’t want sum-of-parts value here and ask for fewer, bigger pieces in return.

But to say there is nothing of value would be inaccurate.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 12:52 p.m.
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There are literally no good pieces outside of the second round picks. A bunch of garbage and a couple picks (not even a first round pick). This might get Kuzmenko if you're lucky


If Vancouver were able to get Colton, Foote, 2nd for Horvat, that really wouldn’t be a bad thing. It would be a lot more than Philly got for Giroux.

I know fans will all want a lottery pick and a top-20 prospect…but those are very rarely traded. Especially for rentals having career years.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 1:03 p.m.
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I would not argue with any of those prices. But the difference here is you are getting players instead of picks. If one were to price out each piece individually,

Colten = late 1st
Foote = 2nd
Duke = 3rd
Namestnikov = 4th
Thompson = 4th

Then, if you made some simple assumptions…

2nd + 3rd + 3rd = late 1st
4th + 4th = 3rd

Then it is not hard to come up with this….

Horvat = Colton / Foote / 2nd = late 1st, 2nd, 2nd
Kuzmenko = Duke / 2nd / 3rd = late 1st
Schenn = Namestnikov / Thompson = 3rd

Vancouver can easily say we don’t want sum-of-parts value here and ask for fewer, bigger pieces in return.

But to say there is nothing of value would be inaccurate.


I appreciate the analysis but I don't agree at all.

No one is paying a 1st for Colton. He's a 26 yr old 3rd liner. If they are Horvat is worth three 1sts. A 2nd for Colton is even a stretch but ill give it to you. So now your are 3 2nds for Horvat. Which is not close. His value is more like 1st, 1st, 3rd.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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I appreciate the analysis but I don't agree at all.

No one is paying a 1st for Colton. He's a 26 yr old 3rd liner. If they are Horvat is worth three 1sts. A 2nd for Colton is even a stretch but ill give it to you. So now your are 3 2nds for Horvat. Which is not close. His value is more like 1st, 1st, 3rd.


I cannot imagine many teams are giving up two 1sts + for a rental. Giroux should be the comp to use. 1st plus mid-pick or lesser prospect.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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I cannot imagine many teams are giving up two 1sts + for a rental. Giroux should be the comp to use. 1st plus mid-pick or lesser prospect.


yup that is what I said. 1st, previous 1st or high end 2nd (value of a late 1st), 3rd.

quality over quantity too. Like I say Horvat (2 1sts, 3rd), Kuzmenko (1st), Pearson (3rd), Klimovich (2nd), Garland (2 2nds), Schenn (3rd) for J Hughes? Thats 3 1sts, 3 2nds, 3 3rds. You'd be crazy not to accept that lol
Jan. 21, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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If Vancouver were able to get Colton, Foote, 2nd for Horvat, that really wouldn’t be a bad thing. It would be a lot more than Philly got for Giroux.

I know fans will all want a lottery pick and a top-20 prospect…but those are very rarely traded. Especially for rentals having career years.


Foote does not look to good. Canucks got Bear for a 5th round pick who is better than Foote, so he should be an additional piece, not the headline of the deal. Colton is not really needed, and a late second round pick is hardly appealing for the best rental the market has almost ever seen
Jan. 21, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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I cannot imagine many teams are giving up two 1sts + for a rental. Giroux should be the comp to use. 1st plus mid-pick or lesser prospect.


I can see teams giving up 2 first round picks in value. A first round pick, and then a prospect and roster player that equals around a first round pick in value
Jan. 21, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
I would not argue with any of those prices. But the difference here is you are getting players instead of picks. If one were to price out each piece individually,

Colten = late 1st
Foote = 2nd
Duke = 3rd
Namestnikov = 4th
Thompson = 4th

Then, if you made some simple assumptions…

2nd + 3rd + 3rd = late 1st
4th + 4th = 3rd

Then it is not hard to come up with this….

Horvat = Colton / Foote / 2nd = late 1st, 2nd, 2nd
Kuzmenko = Duke / 2nd / 3rd = late 1st
Schenn = Namestnikov / Thompson = 3rd

Vancouver can easily say we don’t want sum-of-parts value here and ask for fewer, bigger pieces in return.

But to say there is nothing of value would be inaccurate.


Nobody is paying a 1st for Foote. He is really not that good. Canucks got Bear for a 5th round pick so that should be a comparable. If Colten is worth a first, then Horvat should be worth 4.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
I appreciate the analysis but I don't agree at all.

No one is paying a 1st for Colton. He's a 26 yr old 3rd liner. If they are Horvat is worth three 1sts. A 2nd for Colton is even a stretch but ill give it to you. So now your are 3 2nds for Horvat. Which is not close. His value is more like 1st, 1st, 3rd.


Colton is only a 3rd liner in Tampa because of their depth. He's worth in the late 1st/early 2nd range and a top 6 player for some teams. Horvat isn't getting 2 1sts as a rental either. Most teams won't be able to re-sign him that will be seriously interested, and for a rental, no one is paying 2 1sts value+ for him. Tampa isn't seriously interested in him anyway, as big name rentals that they have 0 chance of re-signing isn't their usual plan(outside of Savard). Tampa may get Schenn and a 3rd/4th line winger, but very slim chance they further deplete their roster and picks/prospects for a guy they don't really need and can't keep.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 4:40 p.m.
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Colton is only a 3rd liner in Tampa because of their depth. He's worth in the late 1st/early 2nd range and a top 6 player for some teams. Horvat isn't getting 2 1sts as a rental either. Most teams won't be able to re-sign him that will be seriously interested, and for a rental, no one is paying 2 1sts value+ for him. Tampa isn't seriously interested in him anyway, as big name rentals that they have 0 chance of re-signing isn't their usual plan(outside of Savard). Tampa may get Schenn and a 3rd/4th line winger, but very slim chance they further deplete their roster and picks/prospects for a guy they don't really need and can't keep.


Explain to be why Horvat can't get 2 firsts, but guys like Copp, Chiarot, Foligno, Savard can all get a first round pick+++?
Jan. 21, 2023 at 5:15 p.m.
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Explain to be why Horvat can't get 2 firsts, but guys like Copp, Chiarot, Foligno, Savard can all get a first round pick+++?


Rentals very rarely, if ever, get more than 1 1st+additional smaller adds. Horvat is nothing special to warrant 2+ 1st round value as a rental. Most of the major contenders that are rumored in on him will ha e a difficult time making the cap work given what he prolly wants on his next contract. He's worth a 1st, an additional pick or prospect in the 2nd range, and probably a roster player on an expiring deal to help the cap work for whichever team ends up trading for him. He's a good 2C for a contender that needs one. He's having a career.year, but most GMs will realize this is the exception, not the norm, as far as what Horvat has usually produced. Good player, but if a rental is getting 2 1sts+, they'll need to be a superstar type player, and Horvat isn't in that range.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 6:30 p.m.
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Rentals very rarely, if ever, get more than 1 1st+additional smaller adds. Horvat is nothing special to warrant 2+ 1st round value as a rental. Most of the major contenders that are rumored in on him will ha e a difficult time making the cap work given what he prolly wants on his next contract. He's worth a 1st, an additional pick or prospect in the 2nd range, and probably a roster player on an expiring deal to help the cap work for whichever team ends up trading for him. He's a good 2C for a contender that needs one. He's having a career.year, but most GMs will realize this is the exception, not the norm, as far as what Horvat has usually produced. Good player, but if a rental is getting 2 1sts+, they'll need to be a superstar type player, and Horvat isn't in that range.


Horvat is nothing special? You're right. Totally nothing special about a guy on pace for almost 60 goals this year... As a rental, him having a career year should be valued by GMs because they can hope to play him while he is hot.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 6:42 p.m.
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Colton is only a 3rd liner in Tampa because of their depth. He's worth in the late 1st/early 2nd range and a top 6 player for some teams. Horvat isn't getting 2 1sts as a rental either. Most teams won't be able to re-sign him that will be seriously interested, and for a rental, no one is paying 2 1sts value+ for him. Tampa isn't seriously interested in him anyway, as big name rentals that they have 0 chance of re-signing isn't their usual plan(outside of Savard). Tampa may get Schenn and a 3rd/4th line winger, but very slim chance they further deplete their roster and picks/prospects for a guy they don't really need and can't keep.


Just look what Giroux returned it should be similar if not slightly more. And no 26 yr old 3rd liner is worth a 1st.

As for the rest regarding Tampa that may be true but doesn't change the fact that the offer is pitiful
Jan. 21, 2023 at 6:45 p.m.
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Horvat is nothing special? You're right. Totally nothing special about a guy on pace for almost 60 goals this year... As a rental, him having a career year should be valued by GMs because they can hope to play him while he is hot.


Lol, nothing special when talking 2 1sts+ as a rental, which is what he'll be for pretty much whatever team gets him. Good 2Cs aren't worth 2 1sts+. Stupid GMs might buy one very above average season vs what he really is, but most will not be hoodwinked. More than likely he regresses closer to his mean, which is around a 55-60 point type player. That is what smart GMs should value him at and not be expecting some annual 90 point player, which he is not.
Jan. 21, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.
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Lol, nothing special when talking 2 1sts+ as a rental, which is what he'll be for pretty much whatever team gets him. Good 2Cs aren't worth 2 1sts+. Stupid GMs might buy one very above average season vs what he really is, but most will not be hoodwinked. More than likely he regresses closer to his mean, which is around a 55-60 point type player. That is what smart GMs should value him at and not be expecting some annual 90 point player, which he is not.


Andrew Copp got a 1st, second, prospect, and late pick. That is nearly 2 first round picks in value. Horvat is much much much better than Copp who gotten more than 40 points only once in his career, and that was after he was traded
Jan. 21, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.
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Just look what Giroux returned it should be similar if not slightly more. And no 26 yr old 3rd liner is worth a 1st.

As for the rest regarding Tampa that may be true but doesn't change the fact that the offer is pitiful


Colton could get a 1st, but more likely an early 2nd. Giroux is a better player and still didn't return 2 1sts+ value. I never said it was a great proposal, as it isn't great for either team in terms of what they want or need. Horvat as a rental isn't worth 2 1sts+
Jan. 21, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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Andrew Copp got a 1st, second, prospect, and late pick. That is nearly 2 first round picks in value. Horvat is much much much better than Copp who gotten more than 40 points only once in his career, and that was after he was traded


Trade wasn't close to 2 1sts+. A late 2nd and maybe B prospect isn't close to a 1st. Motte was getting a 2nd+ last year too, until he got a late 4th. Horvat will return a 1st+2nd+cap roster and maybe an additional lower pick/prospect,but as a straight rental, .67 career ppg 2nd liner isn't returning 2+ 1st value.
 
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