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I want to throw up every time I see paid journalists listing the Red Wings as trade partners for Bo Horvat or Jakob Chychrun. I can’t believe these people get paid money to write these kinds of things. Some idiot suggested the Red Wings might trade a 2023 1st, Marco Kasper, William Wallinder and more for Chychrun when we’re trending to pick 9th in the draft. Unreal.

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Jan. 22, 2023 at 8:45 p.m.
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So Vegas isn't going to pay a 1st to add Walman, you can try adding to him but it just doesn't make sense same with Edmonton. Nothing there is worth parting with the 1st nevermind adding bourgault. Bert who knows and Larkin if he'll sign in Carolina maybe they entertain a big deal. I don't think they buy either but they need high end talent so I can see them being interested in the Meier or Horvat speculation.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 8:51 p.m.
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Detroit might not be buyers but they are certainly looking to add good players if they can so that they can get better.

I don't think they will be in on him, but Chychrun is only 24 and has two more years. You kind of make it sound like he would be acquired as a rental. As for Horvat, with an extension in place it's also not out of the question especially if they think they need a 2C and/or they want insurance in case they lose Larkin. There's no way they are going into next season without a true 1 or 2C.

Aas for who or what they are willing to give up, that is a different story.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.
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So Vegas isn't going to pay a 1st to add Walman, you can try adding to him but it just doesn't make sense same with Edmonton. Nothing there is worth parting with the 1st nevermind adding bourgault. Bert who knows and Larkin if he'll sign in Carolina maybe they entertain a big deal. I don't think they buy either but they need high end talent so I can see them being interested in the Meier or Horvat speculation.


The Edmonton trade is surely too much.
The Walman trade really isn't that bad, they get a solid D and move down 20 or so spots in the draft. Thar isn't so unreasonable.
Toronto is a way overpay considering how Bertuzzi has played this year.

Carolina is too cheap for that offer, Detroit wants more than that. A deal will be impossible, but Carolina makes the most sense for Larkin, and Larkin makes the most sense for Carolina.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:06 p.m.
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Incredibly terrible for Edmonton.

Many journalists both professional and amateur(meaning fan sites/blogs so that's super amateur.. lol) make some of the most delusional trade proposals, its laughable that guys who have worked in the industry for so long haven't figured out trade value or comparables.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
So Vegas isn't going to pay a 1st to add Walman, you can try adding to him but it just doesn't make sense same with Edmonton. Nothing there is worth parting with the 1st nevermind adding bourgault. Bert who knows and Larkin if he'll sign in Carolina maybe they entertain a big deal. I don't think they buy either but they need high end talent so I can see them being interested in the Meier or Horvat speculation.

I figure a 1st two seasons from now doesn’t really have “first round” value, especially for a team in Vegas’ position. I also imagine they extend Walman as well.

For the Edmonton deal, I valued a retained Perron for 2 years at a 1st & Bourgault; too high?

Foegele & Puljujarvi have close to no value/negative value, so moving them in my opinion requires compensation so moving them AND getting two quality playoff pieces in Maatta & Sundqvist costs Schaefer, a 2nd & a 3rd. It’s a wholesale trade which isn’t common and will always appear to be too much one way or the other.

We do need high end talent and we have some coming up with Edvinsson, Kasper & you can throw Wallinder into that mix; why would we trade them + additional high end assets to get a guy who is good now, when we’re not good now and adding a guy like Horvat or Meier arguably won’t really change anything this year?

I love Horvat and Meier, and coming into the season, I would have traded for either one of them in a heartbeat, but we’re a little past that. There will be plenty of options after the season and during the draft to wheel and deal.

Plus, to be able to have a shot at the lottery, why go out of our way to give up assets, to improve marginally and the result ends up being we’re picking 15th in the draft? It just doesn’t make sense.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.
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The Edmonton trade is surely too much.
The Walman trade really isn't that bad, they get a solid D and move down 20 or so spots in the draft. Thar isn't so unreasonable.
Toronto is a way overpay considering how Bertuzzi has played this year.

Carolina is too cheap for that offer, Detroit wants more than that. A deal will be impossible, but Carolina makes the most sense for Larkin, and Larkin makes the most sense for Carolina.

Agree on the Edmonton deal.

But not on the Carolina deal. That's WAY too much for a rental Larkin. Honestly I don't think Carolina would trade Jarvis for Larkin 1-for-1, let alone add these other pieces. Just looking at scoring rates:

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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.
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The Edmonton trade is surely too much.
The Walman trade really isn't that bad, they get a solid D and move down 20 or so spots in the draft. Thar isn't so unreasonable.
Toronto is a way overpay considering how Bertuzzi has played this year.

Carolina is too cheap for that offer, Detroit wants more than that. A deal will be impossible, but Carolina makes the most sense for Larkin, and Larkin makes the most sense for Carolina.


Larkin to Carolina makes some sense but figuring a deal is tough. They could include morrow instead of Jarvis but more young defenseman isn't really what I'd want for Larkin even a guy as good as morrow. Jarvis is nice but it's another winger.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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Detroit might not be buyers but they are certainly looking to add good players if they can so that they can get better.

I don't think they will be in on him, but Chychrun is only 24 and has two more years. You kind of make it sound like he would be acquired as a rental. As for Horvat, with an extension in place it's also not out of the question especially if they think they need a 2C and/or they want insurance in case they lose Larkin. There's no way they are going into next season without a true 1 or 2C.

Aas for who or what they are willing to give up, that is a different story.

I’m quite fond of Chychrun; but why would a team who has arguably the deepest pool of high end LHD trade high end assets/picks/prospects for a guy we probably have 2-3 of coming up? Doesn’t make sense. The ceilings on Simon Edvinsson & William Wallinder are incredibly high, with Albert Johanssen & Shai Buium not far behind.

Plus, adding Chychrun might move us from the 9th worst team in the NHL to maybe the 15th worst and all that does is negate any shred of possibility of getting a top 3 pick.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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The Edmonton trade is surely too much.
The Walman trade really isn't that bad, they get a solid D and move down 20 or so spots in the draft. Thar isn't so unreasonable.
Toronto is a way overpay considering how Bertuzzi has played this year.

Carolina is too cheap for that offer, Detroit wants more than that. A deal will be impossible, but Carolina makes the most sense for Larkin, and Larkin makes the most sense for Carolina.

Yeah, I’m worried about what will happen with Bertuzzi now with him being day-to-day, I’m hopeful we can at least swing him for a good prospect and middle round picks.


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Incredibly terrible for Edmonton.

Many journalists both professional and amateur(meaning fan sites/blogs so that's super amateur.. lol) make some of the most delusional trade proposals, its laughable that guys who have worked in the industry for so long haven't figured out trade value or comparables.

Yeah, I noticed a lot are like blog type folks but even The Athletic wrote an article including Detroit as a handful of teams in on Horvat. It’s silly to me.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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I figure a 1st two seasons from now doesn’t really have “first round” value, especially for a team in Vegas’ position. I also imagine they extend Walman as well.

For the Edmonton deal, I valued a retained Perron for 2 years at a 1st & Bourgault; too high?

Foegele & Puljujarvi have close to no value/negative value, so moving them in my opinion requires compensation so moving them AND getting two quality playoff pieces in Maatta & Sundqvist costs Schaefer, a 2nd & a 3rd. It’s a wholesale trade which isn’t common and will always appear to be too much one way or the other.

We do need high end talent and we have some coming up with Edvinsson, Kasper & you can throw Wallinder into that mix; why would we trade them + additional high end assets to get a guy who is good now, when we’re not good now and adding a guy like Horvat or Meier arguably won’t really change anything this year?

I love Horvat and Meier, and coming into the season, I would have traded for either one of them in a heartbeat, but we’re a little past that. There will be plenty of options after the season and during the draft to wheel and deal.

Plus, to be able to have a shot at the lottery, why go out of our way to give up assets, to improve marginally and the result ends up being we’re picking 15th in the draft? It just doesn’t make sense.



I dont think we'll be buyers but if we are then that pick could be 9 or 15 or 21 for all I care, it won't matter because it will be traded to get Horvat or Meier or Chychrun here.
Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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Agree on the Edmonton deal.

But not on the Carolina deal. That's WAY too much for a rental Larkin. Honestly I don't think Carolina would trade Jarvis for Larkin 1-for-1, let alone add these other pieces. Just looking at scoring rates:

D+2
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Larkin: 0.56

D+3
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Larkin: 0.40

I can appreciate the comparison however, it isn’t indicative of trade values. If we go by your example, I guess we get Jarvis from you guys for Dominik Kubalik… we all know that’s not gonna happen.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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I’m quite fond of Chychrun; but why would a team who has arguably the deepest pool of high end LHD trade high end assets/picks/prospects for a guy we probably have 2-3 of coming up? Doesn’t make sense. The ceilings on Simon Edvinsson & William Wallinder are incredibly high, with Albert Johanssen & Shai Buium not far behind.

Plus, adding Chychrun might move us from the 9th worst team in the NHL to maybe the 15th worst and all that does is negate any shred of possibility of getting a top 3 pick.


Actually, and this surprised me, Albert Johansen may actually be playing better than Edvinsson. A source who watches the Griffins every night said basically Albert gets the tougher assignments, as he should being 2 years older. In any case, there's a tough couple decisions to make in the next year or two with the roster.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:21 p.m.
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I dont think we'll be buyers but if we are then that pick could be 9 or 15 or 21 for all I care, it won't matter because it will be traded to get Horvat or Meier or Chychrun here.


Well, you should care because if we’re ranked anywhere beyond 11th worst that takes us out of the running for the #1 pick, however unlikely that may be. A 3.5-7% shot at Bedard is better than no shot.

And just for clarity, you think we will be trading a 1st round pick for one of those guys?
Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:23 p.m.
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Actually, and this surprised me, Albert Johansen may actually be playing better than Edvinsson. A source who watches the Griffins every night said basically Albert gets the tougher assignments, as he should being 2 years older. In any case, there's a tough couple decisions to make in the next year or two with the roster.

Yeah, that doesn’t surprise me at all, especially for the reasons you mentioned. Another player who I thought had a strong chance of making the Wings roster out of camp was Jared McIsaac, yet another good LHD in the pipeline.
Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:24 p.m.
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Agree on the Edmonton deal.

But not on the Carolina deal. That's WAY too much for a rental Larkin. Honestly I don't think Carolina would trade Jarvis for Larkin 1-for-1, let alone add these other pieces. Just looking at scoring rates:

D+2
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Larkin: 0.56

D+3
Jarvis: 0.50 P/GP
Larkin: 0.40


Yeah similiar trajectory but your trading Jarvis future for Larkin right now. If you want the guy that may help you win more in 5 or 6 years it's probably Jarvis but the next 3 or 4 it's Larkin.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:26 p.m.
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Well, you should care because if we’re ranked anywhere beyond 11th worst that takes us out of the running for the #1 pick, however unlikely that may be. A 3.5-7% shot at Bedard is better than no shot.

And just for clarity, you think we will be trading a 1st round pick for one of those guys?


To add a guy like Horvat or Meier with an extension yeah you're gonna have to give up the first.
Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.
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I can appreciate the comparison however, it isn’t indicative of trade values. If we go by your example, I guess we get Jarvis from you guys for Dominik Kubalik… we all know that’s not gonna happen.

What a dumb comment. Kubalik wasn't in the NHL in his D+2 or D+3 year. tears of joy
Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.
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What a dumb comment. Kubalik wasn't in the NHL in his D+2 or D+3 year. tears of joy

I’m sorry, what are these little abbreviations you’re using?
Jan. 22, 2023 at 9:39 p.m.
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To add a guy like Horvat or Meier with an extension yeah you're gonna have to give up the first.

Surely it would cost that and more And you think that makes sense for us to do that?
Jan. 22, 2023 at 10:00 p.m.
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if Larkin comes with an extension, yes. if not, no.
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Jan. 22, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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Surely it would cost that and more And you think that makes sense for us to do that?


Well that's the question. I don't see a high end offensive player in the system so you either buy one somehow or pray someone out of no where turns into Robertson or Kucherov. Idk what yzerman does, but I wouldn't mind being more aggressive to add to this team.
Jan. 22, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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Well this is probably the only place on the planet that thinks Chychrun to Detroit is a possibility, Now Horvat is an entirely different situation he's from the area and grew up watching the Wings. So that one I'm afraid you going to have to live with that one until he is on another team.
Jan. 22, 2023 at 10:38 p.m.
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For the oilers trade i think most fans would agree we would only would want perron matta pushes out broberg which is the opposite of what we want to do. Sundqvist has struggled at producing for years plus the oilers would rather have yamo off of ltir
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Well that's the question. I don't see a high end offensive player in the system so you either buy one somehow or pray someone out of no where turns into Robertson or Kucherov. Idk what yzerman does, but I wouldn't mind being more aggressive to add to this team.

What’s your hurry? Free agency may very well provide that opportunity.
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Well this is probably the only place on the planet that thinks Chychrun to Detroit is a possibility, Now Horvat is an entirely different situation he's from the area and grew up watching the Wings. So that one I'm afraid you going to have to live with that one until he is on another team.

Well, if Horvat wants to play for the Red Wings, he can come on over in the offseason. We’ll have a nice 7 year $57m contract waiting for him, and we’ll also have Marco Kasper and our 2023 1st round pick. If he doesn’t, no problem. I’m not risking a shot at Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov, or Leo Carlsson for a guy who is a coin flip from hitting free agency.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 2:23 a.m.
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What’s your hurry? Free agency may very well provide that opportunity.

Well, if Horvat wants to play for the Red Wings, he can come on over in the offseason. We’ll have a nice 7 year $57m contract waiting for him, and we’ll also have Marco Kasper and our 2023 1st round pick. If he doesn’t, no problem. I’m not risking a shot at Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov, or Leo Carlsson for a guy who is a coin flip from hitting free agency.


I agree I don't think it's a good idea to even include Hronek in a Horvat trade which I've seen a lot today. Are chances of Horvat signing with Detroit in the offseason are a lot better than us winning the draft lottery. But I don't see that happening either.
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