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Team: 2022-23 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 23, 2023
Published: Jan. 23, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. O'Reilly, Ryan ($3,750,000 retained)
STL
  1. Lambos, Carson
  2. 2023 1st round pick (MIN)
2.
MIN
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. 2023 6th round pick (MIN)
3.
MIN
  1. Toews, Jonathan ($5,250,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Lorenz, Rieger [Reserve List]
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
4.
MIN
  1. Schenn, Luke
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2023 4th round pick (NYR)
VAN
  1. Greenway, Jordan
  2. Hartman, Ryan
  3. 2023 5th round pick (MIN)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$72,436,921$0$765,000$10,063,079
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW
UFA - 4
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-$1,875,000-$1,875,000
C
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$855,000$855,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C
UFA - 7
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$7,575,000$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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$795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$787,500$787,500
G
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
C, LW
RFA - 1

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Jan. 23, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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I'd do it as a blues fan
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
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How does ROR get the equivalent of two 1st round picks and Dumba only gets a 2nd?
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
How does ROR get the equivalent of two 1st round picks and Dumba only gets a 2nd?


Pedigree mostly. O'Reilly is a defensively sound centerman with a conn smythe on his resume. Dumba is bang average.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:10 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
Pedigree mostly. O'Reilly is a defensively sound centerman with a conn smythe on his resume. Dumba is bang average.

How is he defensively sound if he’s a team worst -28? I’m not paying for what he did in the past.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:10 p.m.
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OTT declines.

No interest in paying for declining Dumba
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:24 p.m.
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I wouldn’t offer more than a 3rd for ROR…then I’d sit back with a beer and a bag of popcorn watching all the dumb GMs get in a bidding war for him!
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
How is he defensively sound if he’s a team worst -28? I’m not paying for what he did in the past.


As I say its the pedigree. He's having a bad yr but he has been a guy who can be the best guy in a playoff series as recently as a couple yrs ago.

Dumba is a depth piece at best.
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:32 p.m.
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Chicago accepts, but Davidson may try to negotiate that 2nd becoming a 1st if the Wild win the Cup and Toews plays so many playoff games and with a certain average TOI. (Which means your O'Reilly trade falls through.)
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:35 p.m.
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The Vancouver deal is so bad for Minnesota. Guerin hasn't traded a 1st or especially a top prospect for rental, doubt he's starting now
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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The Vancouver deal is so bad for Minnesota. Guerin hasn't traded a 1st or especially a top prospect for rental, doubt he's starting now


I see it as good way to clear up some cap space next year
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:38 p.m.
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I see it as good way to clear up some cap space next year


Hartman is cheap at like 1 or 2mil
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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Hartman is cheap at like 1 or 2mil


That's two rookie deals that can take his space, and hopefully take a step forward
Jan. 23, 2023 at 5:44 p.m.
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That's two rookie deals that can take his space, and hopefully take a step forward


You would be better off just acquiring Schenn for a 2nd rather than giving VAN guys that hold value to other playoff teams, esp Hartman at $1.7M through next year and has a 30 goal year recently -- think similar to Hagel, not quite as much value, but def worth a 1st to the right team.
Jan. 23, 2023 at 6:01 p.m.
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I really don't understand how ROR is worth more than Toews. Even if he is "worth more", it isn't by this wide of a margin. To each their own, I guess.

Either way, I think CHI probably accepts this proposal unless bidding gets crazy for Toews.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Garak
I really don't understand how ROR is worth more than Toews. Even if he is "worth more", it isn't by this wide of a margin. To each their own, I guess.

Either way, I think CHI probably accepts this proposal unless bidding gets crazy for Toews.


I mean, Toews has an iron clad NMC and has only ever played for the Hawks. He's rightfully gonna be pretty picky about his destination, if he decides to move. The market for him is just way more constricted.

ROR doesn't have any trade protection, so he's a natural option for someone looking for that profile of a player, but maybe can't get Toews.

I personally can't see ROR getting much more than Toews, regardless, but it's pretty easy to see why folks are notching his value higher.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.
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The Wild are not offering that to the Blues, one would presume.


Quoting: Digitalbooya06
How is he defensively sound if he’s a team worst -28? I’m not paying for what he did in the past.


Heh. I love how +/- is always a stupid stat until it isn't. Never mind all the ENGs he's been on the ice for and all the Josh Leivo he's had to lug around this season, are you seriously trying to pretend ROR isn't a playoff warrior shutdown C? Really?
Jan. 23, 2023 at 7:11 p.m.
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Quoting: drmantalban
I mean, Toews has an iron clad NMC and has only ever played for the Hawks. He's rightfully gonna be pretty picky about his destination, if he decides to move. The market for him is just way more constricted.

ROR doesn't have any trade protection, so he's a natural option for someone looking for that profile of a player, but maybe can't get Toews.

I personally can't see ROR getting much more than Toews, regardless, but it's pretty easy to see why folks are notching his value higher.


Sure. The arguments for that kind of return are obvious. The arguments against it are just as obvious, IMO. Seems like an easy argument to win, to me, yet everyone on here treats this valuation of ROR with respect and validation. ROR is having a god awful season and is also a rental. I'm just surprised that so many people have bought into it, more than anything. But, I digress.

Depending on how the market shakes out for Toews, I think that trade is doable. But I also don't think he will be as picky as people make it seem. Even though he has every right to be, It's not like he has to commit anywhere long term.
Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:46 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
As I say its the pedigree. He's having a bad yr but he has been a guy who can be the best guy in a playoff series as recently as a couple yrs ago.

Dumba is a depth piece at best.


ROR is a 3rd line center at this point. How is he not a "depth piece at best"?

Quoting: mokumboi
The Wild are not offering that to the Blues, one would presume.




Heh. I love how +/- is always a stupid stat until it isn't. Never mind all the ENGs he's been on the ice for and all the Josh Leivo he's had to lug around this season, are you seriously trying to pretend ROR isn't a playoff warrior shutdown C? Really?


Are you going to pretend that ROR isn't declining? Ppg is down. Faceoff % down. +/- is a meh stat, except when you are the worst on your team by -8 and you missed 10 games already.
Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
ROR is a 3rd line center at this point. How is he not a "depth piece at best"?

Are you going to pretend that ROR isn't declining? Ppg is down. Faceoff % down. +/- is a meh stat, except when you are the worst on your team by -8 and you missed 10 games already.


Heh. Funny stuff. Let's see if I can tidy this up for ya.

- ROR is NOT a 3C. That's just factually wrong and thematically delusional. He plays against top lines, guy. And the AGM author has him at 1C anyway.

- Even if he was only a 3C, that is not close to what "depth piece" means.

- I never said anything about not declining, but he was the team's best player in the playoffs last spring. Frankly, I just think it's been a Murphy's Law season for the whole team, and I also think that losing his ride-or-die Perron was a very big deal at the very beginning of the season, where most of his genuinely bad play occurred (one point, -12 through 10 games).

- Reducing O'Reilly to PPG shows a lack of understanding of all he does. And yes, his faceoff % is down this season, but still better than most, so... okay.

- Ya just skated right around my +/- comments, huh? And my point remains that all these on-ice stats (a ka not individual) require context beyond even things like ENGs against (which the Blues top the league in btw). Ya know... because there's five other guys contributing to that stat. And when you don't actually watch the player play, and you only use a stat sheet to "analyze play" - well, you get what you pay for.

Plus, as you can see, my initial contribution to this discussion was telling OP that Minnesota would not make this offer. I'm under no illusion that this is a good trade idea.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:09 p.m.
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O'Reilly definitely isn't worth that price to Minnesota, at the same time he would immediately go to the 1st line with Kaprizov and never removed.
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Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:27 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Heh. Funny stuff. Let's see if I can tidy this up for ya.

- ROR is NOT a 3C. That's just factually wrong and thematically delusional. He plays against top lines, guy. And the AGM author has him at 1C anyway.

- Even if he was only a 3C, that is not close to what "depth piece" means.

- I never said anything about not declining, but he was the team's best player in the playoffs last spring. Frankly, I just think it's been a Murphy's Law season for the whole team, and I also think that losing his ride-or-die Perron was a very big deal at the very beginning of the season, where most of his genuinely bad play occurred (one point, -12 through 10 games).

- Reducing O'Reilly to PPG shows a lack of understanding of all he does. And yes, his faceoff % is down this season, but still better than most, so... okay.

- Ya just skated right around my +/- comments, huh? And my point remains that all these on-ice stats (a ka not individual) require context beyond even things like ENGs against (which the Blues top the league in btw). Ya know... because there's five other guys contributing to that stat. And when you don't actually watch the player play, and you only use a stat sheet to "analyze play" - well, you get what you pay for.

Plus, as you can see, my initial contribution to this discussion was telling OP that Minnesota would not make this offer. I'm under no illusion that this is a good trade idea.


Cool, so I guess you'll be happy to keep him then.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 1:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
ROR is a 3rd line center at this point. How is he not a "depth piece at best"?

Pedigree. It's fine to believe in it. He's actually been an impact player. Dumba really hasn't ever.[/quote]
Jan. 24, 2023 at 8:09 a.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
Pedigree. It's fine to believe in it. He's actually been an impact player. Dumba really hasn't ever.


That’s certainly an opinion.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 12:54 p.m.
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That’s certainly an opinion.


The proposal says it all
Jan. 24, 2023 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
The proposal says it all


Maybe for you.
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