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Time to Actually Rebuild - TDL Part 1

Created by: LetsPlayThatHockey

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 23, 2023

Published: Jan. 23, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Ignore the order of the lines they don’t mean anything. I also just went with the lines from the cap friendly page to give you a base of what I’m going from.

The Taxi Squad is just to show him. I would keep him in the OHL for the rest of the year for him to keep working on development.

Jake Livingstone is a 6’3’’ right handed defenseman out of the Minnesota State Mankato. He is the best UFA College hockey player to the ranking sites. He is exactly what the team needs and I would throw everything plus the kitchen sink to get him. It also doesn’t hurt that he is from the area.

One thing I’m 100% sold on is if Kuzmenko can be resigned. I would do it if he is willing to. But if he says he wants to test the free agency waters I think it forces the hand of the front office and for a solid player I would try to get what I can. He is on an inexpensive contract this year and could help push a pontential playoff team over the edge. Here in this scenario I did trade him. And think I got a good return for him.

These moves would definitely accelerate the tank for Bedard. This is definitely a lot of moves to do before the trade deadline, but I think that they would start the changes that this organization needs.

Free Agent Signings

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Livingstone, Jake		3	$950,000

Trades

VAN

Wennberg, Alexander
Wright, Shane
2023 1st round pick (SEA)

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The Seattle 1st this year would be mid 20s or so. I would grant them lottery protection this year for an unprotected ‘24 if that made them feel better. Wright would be that top end prospect that Vancouver would want and Wennberg would be an NHL player that has a high enough cap that it would be a benefit to signing Bo long term. Also with another C its getting a bit crowded down the middle.
If Seattle would want some retention (don’t know why they would it would cost time a late 4th or 5th. But don’t think its a problem with Wennberg going the other way.

SEA

Horvat, Bo

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Either a sign and trade is in place. (Which I know if rare in hockey). At least Horvat’s management would need to be able to discuss a long term extension prior to the trade. If I were to guess maybe 8.5-9 x 8.

VAN

2023 3rd round pick (WSH)
2024 2nd round pick (FLA)

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Or maybe its 2 thirds. It could be the last of their 2nd round picks in ‘24 which ever that maybe. But I think the value is close there.

ARI

Boeser, Brock

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Brock is in need of a new change of scenery. He has been through a lot with the passing of his father and the chaos that has been following this Vancouver franchise. I think a new change of scenery could help him get back to his scoring ways.
Just think of a line with Keller on the Left, Boeser on the Right with Cooley down the middle. Just saying. Arizona has stock pilled picks for a reason. And because of Arizona’s cap situation retention wouldn’t be needed, which would help Vancouver.

VAN

Hunt, Daemon
2024 3rd round pick (MIN)

Additional Details:

The Wild are loaded on the left side and they may make a trade for a solid prospect in Hunt that may be stuck in the log jam and a 3rd next year. I know some places say a second this year. But if you can refill that cupboard of prospects that is pretty thin this might be the way to go. Jack Peart might also be a play here, but I’ll stick with Hunt for now. This is a bit like the Middleton trade that the Wild did last year. Not exactly, but up the same alley.

MIN

Schenn, Luke

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This is dependent on if Minnesota trades Matt Dumba. And if they do they are going to need a cheap expiring contract to do so and Schenn fits the bill. Also if they move a few players around he might be able to squeeze in next year but that is asking a lot.

VAN

Gunler, Noel
2023 2nd round pick (CAR)

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This seems like a fair price a solid prospect not there very top but a good one and a 2nd for a PPG player.

CAR

Kuzmenko, Andrei ($300,000 retained)

Additional Details:

I did the retention to make sure the trade goes through. The retention for half a year will meaning nothing to the Canucks, but it would help the trade go through. And maybe an addition of a late pick could be some compensation.
After Max went down to an injury this could be a good rental and someone they maybe able to resign long term in the offseason.

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Andrei Kuzmenko: $300,000 (31.58%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$71,435,000	$1,250,000	$12,500	$11,065,000

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2
Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 2	Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 3
Dries, Sheldon $762,500$762,500 C UFA - 2	Wennberg, Alexander $2,250,000$2,250,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 2	Pederson, Lane $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Lockwood, William $750,000$750,000 RW UFA - 1
		Gunler, Noel $862,500$862,500 ($12,500$12K) RW, LW RFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Delia, Collin $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Bear, Ethan $1,800,000$1,800,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Livingstone, Jake $950,000$950,000	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 4	Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 2	Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 3

Taxi Squad
Wright, Shane $950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0) C RFA - 4
Hunt, Daemon $828,333$828,333 ($0$0$0$0) ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 3

Jan. 23, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.

Ryno122

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Nucks fans are high with these Horvat trades. In no universe will Seattle trade Wright and a 1st for him.

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Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:02 p.m.

SellTheTeam

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i really doubt we can get a wright 1 for 1 for horvat

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Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:06 p.m.

MoSeider53

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Horvat trade is a joke, You won't even get Wright for Horvat let alone Seattle adding their 1st on top of it. And Horvat wants to play near home. No way is he signing with Seattle.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.

BigShoots

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Quoting: SellTheTeam

i really doubt we can get a wright 1 for 1 for horvat

Please don't lump us in with this guy

Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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Jake Livingstone is a good call.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.

SellTheTeam

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Quoting: BigShoots

Please don't lump us in with this guy

don't wanna be lumped in with the delusional ones

Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.

Tennisman142

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Yeah don't think Arizona is going to be wanting Boeser. He makes a lot of money and they are still stockpiling and rebuilding. No need to trade picks for him when he could be gone in 2 years

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Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.

Caerii

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Take Hunt out of the Minnesota deal and it's a yes.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.

tonyhzs

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Quoting: Caerii

Take Hunt out of the Minnesota deal and it's a yes.

Probably not getting Schenn for a 3rd. He probably goes at the TDL for a 2nd and overripe prospect or really raw prospect.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:00 p.m.

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Quoting: tonyhzs

Probably not getting Schenn for a 3rd. He probably goes at the TDL for a 2nd and overripe prospect or really raw prospect.

That's okay with me. He can go somewhere else for that. He's not worth Hunt.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.

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InRodWeTrust

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I would take that. Never thought I would hear those words coming out of my mouth in a Vancouver trade, but there you go.

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Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:08 p.m.

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tonyhzs

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Horvat trade is a joke, You won't even get Wright for Horvat let alone Seattle adding their 1st on top of it. And Horvat wants to play near home. No way is he signing with Seattle.

Serious question, hypothetical.
If Horvat signed a reasonable extension, say 7 million, 7 years, would Shane Wright and a 1st get it done for Horvat and a 2023 1st? Not gonna say 2024, that's just nonsense. What if the Vancouver 1st were lottery protected? Top 3 protected? Top 5 protected? If the protected picks happen, Seattle gets a 2023 2nd and an unprotected 2024 1st.

Just curious. Seattle gets to trade Shane Wright and a mid round prospect for a known commodity in his prime (high 2C) and a likely top 10 prospect this year or next (or higher depending on lottery protection).

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.

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LetsPlayThatHockey

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Quoting: Caerii

Take Hunt out of the Minnesota deal and it's a yes.

The thing with Hunt was I think that he is going to get stuck behind a line of players and trading him for an asset like Schenn.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.

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Quoting: tonyhzs

Not sure why Ron Francis would want to trade a franchise Centerman in Shane Wright, But yeah i'd imagine Wright and a 1st should get it done plus maybe a lesser piece going to Vancouver as well.

Zero chance i see Horvat accepting 7x7 depending if it's a sign and trade i'd imagine 8x8.5mil gets it done. But if i'm Allvin/Rutherford and Seattle really wants Horvat i don't accept anything less than Wright and a 1st and maybe a cap dump for Horvat.

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Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:23 p.m.

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Caerii

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Quoting: LetsPlayThatHockey

The thing with Hunt was I think that he is going to get stuck behind a line of players and trading him for an asset like Schenn.

He might very well be leading that line as it stands now. There's Brodin, then there's Hunt/Lambos/O'Rourke, then there's Peart. There's no reason to trade him for a 6/7D on an expiring contract.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.

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LetsPlayThatHockey

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Quoting: tonyhzs

Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

Horvat trade is a joke, You won't even get Wright for Horvat let alone Seattle adding their 1st on top of it. And Horvat wants to play near home. No way is he signing with Seattle.

That’s along the lines of what I was thinking for Horvat it really comes down to Horvat for Wright and a 1st. Wennberg is there to create some cap space for next year. But it would definitely require an extension in place. Horvat is a known commodity. Vancouver will be looking for a 1st and top prospect. Maybe Wright was a bit rich but if I’m Vancouver I’m asking for the world before needing to except reality.

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:27 p.m.

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LetsPlayThatHockey

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Quoting: Caerii

He might very well be leading that line as it stands now. There's Brodin, then there's Hunt/Lambos/O'Rourke, then there's Peart. There's no reason to trade him for a 6/7D on an expiring contract.

Good point. Lambos is supposed to be top dog I thought, but yeah see where it shakes out. I just think over the long haul one of them will be traded

Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:28 p.m.

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Caerii

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Quoting: LetsPlayThatHockey

Good point. Lambos is supposed to be top dog I thought, but yeah see where it shakes out. I just think over the long haul one of them will be traded

If they're all good enough to where one has to be traded, that's a good problem to have, and you get a lot more than Luke Schenn for it.

Jan. 24, 2023 at 1:31 a.m.

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Quoting: SellTheTeam

don't wanna be lumped in with the delusional ones

Every fanbase is mostly made of them

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