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Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 24, 2023
Published: Jan. 24, 2023
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  3. Östlund, Noah
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
Since Nov. 22 (which is when Sammy came back around when UPL became the starter):

BUF 17-8-3 (.661 and t-7th in the league).

We're on a playoff pace without doing anything. If anything is going to improve the team more it is another D-man or 2.

We don't need Fs. We're the 2nd highest scoring team in the league.

I just don't understand why people want to add Fs and on top of that pay a premium to do so.


Adding a proven player like Meier or the like isn't a bad idea and just bc we are second in scoring doesn't mean you rest on your laurels...our forward pool is strong both at the NHL level and prospect level so using one in a trade isn't going to hurt. I'll be honest in that I don't know much about Ostlund but will he turn out to be a Meier or better you tell me. Meier on the second line makes it extremely dangerous and he will improve the team overall. I also don't do a trade unless an extension is in place.
The only give back is the first but that's the price you pay for talent so a 24 first I would be fine with. Like I said, I don't see Adams trading Mitts bc he is finally showing signs of progression but for a guy who has 27 goals in 48 gms I'm all for it. It's funny bc many of the playoff teams are interested in Meier but the Sabres shouldn't be, explain that to me. It's not like you are throwing good away for bad ah la Tim Murray.
I also agree the defense needs to be addressed, we beat Dallas bc Anderson stole that game...how many in tight shots did Dallas have just in the first period between 5-10? Can't expect to win many games with that continuing. That's mainly the reason we had that little losing streak a week and a half ago.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 9:47 a.m.
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Think I will take the sure thing over maybe 3 possibilities


And that's why BUF has sucked for so long.

ROR for 2 1sts 2 2nds
Lehner for a 1st
Kane + Bogo for 4 1sts and a 2nd(a 1st today)
Montour for a 1st and a 2nd

AND WE SUCKED. I mean BUF fans should know this better than most.

Now look at the trades we have done.

Eichel <> 3 1sts and a 2nd
Reinhart <> 1st and a top G prospect
Risto <> 1st + 2nd

It's no wonder why we are arguably the best we have been in 11 years and have a very bright future.

Giving away assets is just not a good strategy. At least in my opinion and as evidenced above.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 9:54 a.m.
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Adding a proven player like Meier or the like isn't a bad idea and just bc we are second in scoring doesn't mean you rest on your laurels...our forward pool is strong both at the NHL level and prospect level so using one in a trade isn't going to hurt. I'll be honest in that I don't know much about Ostlund but will he turn out to be a Meier or better you tell me. Meier on the second line makes it extremely dangerous and he will improve the team overall. I also don't do a trade unless an extension is in place.
The only give back is the first but that's the price you pay for talent so a 24 first I would be fine with. Like I said, I don't see Adams trading Mitts bc he is finally showing signs of progression but for a guy who has 27 goals in 48 gms I'm all for it. It's funny bc many of the playoff teams are interested in Meier but the Sabres shouldn't be, explain that to me. It's not like you are throwing good away for bad ah la Tim Murray.
I also agree the defense needs to be addressed, we beat Dallas bc Anderson stole that game...how many in tight shots did Dallas have just in the first period between 5-10? Can't expect to win many games with that continuing. That's mainly the reason we had that little losing streak a week and a half ago.


Adding Meier certainly wouldn't hurt. The hurt is the cost to acquire.

Giving up 1 asset for him? Okay. 3? Not okay. He doesn't move the needle that much.

I'd do:

Kulich +2nd <> Meier (with an extension in place).

More than that is unacceptable to me and I don't even really like that trade. When BUF is actually a legit contender Kulich will be the new Meier.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 9:55 a.m.
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Quoting: worldwidesensei
And that's why BUF has sucked for so long.

ROR for 2 1sts 2 2nds
Lehner for a 1st
Kane + Bogo for 4 1sts and a 2nd(a 1st today)
Montour for a 1st and a 2nd

AND WE SUCKED. I mean BUF fans should know this better than most.

Now look at the trades we have done.

Eichel <> 3 1sts and a 2nd
Reinhart <> 1st and a top G prospect
Risto <> 1st + 2nd

It's no wonder why we are arguably the best we have been in 11 years and have a very bright future.

Giving away assets is just not a good strategy. At least in my opinion and as evidenced above.


Can't help TM screwed up and the difference this time is we have a lot better foundation to go of to try and build from. Your not giving away your whole future to make these trades.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 9:58 a.m.
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Can't help TM screwed up and the difference this time is we have a lot better foundation to go of to try and build from. Your not giving away your whole future to make these trades.


Who gives away 3 1sts? It's just wayyyyyyyy too much and especially for a player that doesn't fit your timeline.

And yea can't help it, but it sure is a good lesson to be learned. Why do it again?
Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:08 a.m.
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Who gives away 3 1sts? It's just wayyyyyyyy too much and especially for a player that doesn't fit your timeline.

And yea can't help it, but it sure is a good lesson to be learned. Why do it again?


How does he not fit are timeline, we are 3pts out. And I don't consider Mitts a 1st round piece anymore and doubt anyone does.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:16 a.m.
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Who gives away 3 1sts? It's just wayyyyyyyy too much and especially for a player that doesn't fit your timeline.

And yea can't help it, but it sure is a good lesson to be learned. Why do it again?


Because a player is drafted in the first round doesn't mean his value is still first round...I don't think Mitts gets a 8th overall in a trade straight up and just bc he is having a decent year still doesn't mean he is a first round talent.
Prime example Tyson Jost. Zemgus was 14th overall and he never played to that even in his best year. I don't care where a player is drafted, it's where his talent takes him or doesn't that counts
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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Because a player is drafted in the first round doesn't mean his value is still first round...I don't think Mitts gets a 8th overall in a trade straight up and just bc he is having a decent year still doesn't mean he is a first round talent.
Prime example Tyson Jost. Zemgus was 14th overall and he never played to that even in his best year. I don't care where a player is drafted, it's where his talent takes him or doesn't that counts


Mitts in 11th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Jost is 16th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Zemgus is 26th in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.

I get what you are trying to say, but 1st round draft picks are gold. I don't know the exact number, but they make up a large percentage of the league. Just on the Sabres:

13/23 are 1st round picks
Then you have Samuelsson (32nd), Asplund (33rd), JJP (34th).

It's not a hard correlation to make. That's 16/23 drafted top 34. They make up a large majority of a team.

Sure there are hits and misses, but 1st round picks are behind every successful team. To give 3 for 1 is just bad asset mgmt.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:36 a.m.
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Mitts in 11th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Jost is 16th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Zemgus is 26th in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.

I get what you are trying to say, but 1st round draft picks are gold. I don't know the exact number, but they make up a large percentage of the league. Just on the Sabres:

13/23 are 1st round picks
Then you have Samuelsson (32nd), Asplund (33rd), JJP (34th).

It's not a hard correlation to make. That's 16/23 drafted top 34. They make up a large majority of a team.

Sure there are hits and misses, but 1st round picks are behind every successful team. To give 3 for 1 is just bad asset mgmt.


They are important, and you are getting a 1st rnd player back in the deal.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:49 a.m.
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Mitts in 11th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Jost is 16th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Zemgus is 26th in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.

I get what you are trying to say, but 1st round draft picks are gold. I don't know the exact number, but they make up a large percentage of the league. Just on the Sabres:

13/23 are 1st round picks
Then you have Samuelsson (32nd), Asplund (33rd), JJP (34th).

It's not a hard correlation to make. That's 16/23 in the 1st round. They make up a large majority of a team.

Sure there are hits and misses, but 1st round picks are behind every successful team. To give 3 for 1 is just bad asset mgmt.


Did you ever think it was just a week draft class.
I'm not saying you make this a regular practice but Meier's talent will take the Sabres closer to the playoffs before Mitts will.
Ostland may or never make it, we don't know and that's just a fact. You can't build an entire team through the draft but in Meier you get a proven 30 goal scorer which Mitts will never be.
Lafrenière was thought untouchable but there are now teams inquiring, why? Like I said, you don't make this kind of trade on a regular basis but in this case I make it.
I just think a line of Meier-Cozens-Quinn would be an explosive 2nd line. I like Quinn's game and it's going to only improve.
Dropping Peterka to the 3rd line with Jost and Olofsson may help his scoring also he would be facing bottom 6 talent. You still have forwards like Savoie, Kulich etc coming in for when Skinner and Okposo are off the books. Again, I/we are assuming they can make the jump to the NHL in the next couple of years. Actually think Savoie pretty much will be here next year.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
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How does he not fit are timeline, we are 3pts out. And I don't consider Mitts a 1st round piece anymore and doubt anyone does.


3 pts out of what? A Stanley Cup?

We're 27 points behind BOS. Meier doesn't close that gap.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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Prime of his career, moves from San Jose to Buffalo for a paycut. Ok.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:00 a.m.
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How does he not fit are timeline, we are 3pts out. And I don't consider Mitts a 1st round piece anymore and doubt anyone does.
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Because a player is drafted in the first round doesn't mean his value is still first round...I don't think Mitts gets a 8th overall in a trade straight up and just bc he is having a decent year still doesn't mean he is a first round talent.
Prime example Tyson Jost. Zemgus was 14th overall and he never played to that even in his best year. I don't care where a player is drafted, it's where his talent takes him or doesn't that counts
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Mitts in 11th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Jost is 16th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent. What a pick up, for nothing!
Zemgus is 26th in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.

I get what you are trying to say, but 1st round draft picks are gold. I don't know the exact number, but they make up a large percentage of the league. Just on the Sabres:

13/23 are 1st round picks
Then you have Samuelsson (32nd), Asplund (33rd), JJP (34th).

It's not a hard correlation to make. That's 16/23 drafted top 34. They make up a large majority of a team.

Sure there are hits and misses, but 1st round picks are behind every successful team. To give 3 for 1 is just bad asset mgmt.
Wow great conversation.
Is Timo worth three first round picks? Probably.
Was Eichel worth Tuch alone? Not if you look at how much Tuch has improved Skinner and Thompson.
What is the value of a waiver claim? If that claim is Tyson Jost, then that claim is worth 40 pts and 16 goals over the last 20 games.
Will Timo make the players around him better? IDK, how are the Sharks doing with Couture, Hertl, Meier, LeBlanc and Karlsson?
Will the Sabres win the cup with Meier on the second line this year? Will he put the Sabres into the playoffs this year?
Suffering for over 50 years watching great teams perform poorly in the post season, it is unlikely anyone wants to see a cup more than I.

Granato is building a cohesive team, Crowe is doing well picking up gems in the draft, Ventura analytics are working well, Karmanos is doing great engineering the trades and Adams has a great smile.
Remembering how Murray set the rebuild back 6 years giving away prospects and picks while drafting poorly while icing selfish players interested in their own success, let's build through the draft.
I would pass on this trade, but if we could add Iafallo and Couture, and watch them play for their home town team, that would be interesting.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.
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3 pts out of what? A Stanley Cup?

We're 27 points behind BOS. Meier doesn't close that gap.


You can't take one giant leap with a team this young...the first step is to make the playoffs even if they get knocked out in the first round.
Think of what the enthusiasm will be like in that locker room come next season for accomplishing that in itself when very few gave them a chance of doing that.
You sprinkle in a few experienced pieces with the youth and things take off. Tuch is a prime example of that now, you build off that.
Add a Meier and a couple of D that can clean the front of the net and this team could put some fear into the top contenders in the playoffs bc they have nothing to lose.

Take last nights game, I haven't been a big Power fan, not bc his play but his emotions but seeing his actions after scoring that OT winner was gratifying that's the emotion I was looking for out of him regardless of who scores.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:07 a.m.
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3 pts out of what? A Stanley Cup?

We're 27 points behind BOS. Meier doesn't close that gap.


No we are 3pts out of a playoff position and a run that could make this team even grow and develop more from even 1 playoff rnd battle. Show these young kids what it's like and make the push next year knowing a bit more of what it takes to get there.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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Thanks for the Convo Guys. Nice talking good hockey no matter what your opinions are. All you guys are very knowledgeable. Much appreciated.
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Wow great conversation.
Is Timo worth three first round picks? Probably.
Was Eichel worth Tuch alone? Not if you look at how much Tuch has improved Skinner and Thompson.
What is the value of a waiver claim? If that claim is Tyson Jost, then that claim is worth 40 pts and 16 goals over the last 20 games.
Will Timo make the players around him better? IDK, how are the Sharks doing with Couture, Hertl, Meier, LeBlanc and Karlsson?
Will the Sabres win the cup with Meier on the second line this year? Will he put the Sabres into the playoffs this year?
Suffering for over 50 years watching great teams perform poorly in the post season, it is unlikely anyone wants to see a cup more than I.

Granato is building a cohesive team, Crowe is doing well picking up gems in the draft, Ventura analytics are working well, Karmanos is doing great engineering the trades and Adams has a great smile.
Remembering how Murray set the rebuild back 6 years giving away prospects and picks while drafting poorly while icing selfish players interested in their own success, let's build through the draft.
I would pass on this trade, but if we could add Iafallo and Couture, and watch them play for their home town team, that would be interesting.


It's a great conversation bc there is no name calling etc
We may disagree but it's been done in a gentlemanly fashion.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.
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You can't take one giant leap with a team this young...the first step is to make the playoffs even if they get knocked out in the first round.
Think of what the enthusiasm will be like in that locker room come next season for accomplishing that in itself when very few gave them a chance of doing that.
You sprinkle in a few experienced pieces with the youth and things take off. Tuch is a prime example of that now, you build off that.
Add a Meier and a couple of D that can clean the front of the net and this team could put some fear into the top contenders in the playoffs bc they have nothing to lose.

Take last nights game, I haven't been a big Power fan, not on his play but his emotions but seeing his actions after scoring that OT winner was gratifying that's the emotion I was looking for out of him regardless of who scores.


Selling the farm for a player that maybe adds 1 more point in the standings is just not good strategy, in my opinion. A trade like this is just too soon. It's nice to think a team with basically no players with playoff experience has any hope of avoiding a 1st round exit. In 2-3-4 years? Mitts and Ostlund will probably be much more instrumental than Meier and who knows about the 1st, but he will be good in 5-6-7 years when he need our depth to be replenished.

I just don't see the need to rush things and I honestly don't know how much Mitts <> Meier moves the needle this year. Like I said, maybe 1 point or 2. And to give up 2 more 1sts on top of that? No thanks.

As I think I mentioned in this thread, we're playing .661 hockey since Nov. 22. We're on the path to the playoffs. If we just continue our play, we'll pass PIT. That's just a matter of time.

I don't know if we will or won't. Adding Meier doesn't change me thinking that I don't know if we will or we won't.

All I know is we are already a top-scoring team in the league. And we have even more ammo on the way for when the team does have that experience necessary to make a Cup run. At that time, Meier will be ~30 years old. And a drag on our Cap space (in my estimation).

I get the excitement around BUF. I really do. Most exciting team in the league. But we aren't there yet.

There will be Meier-type players available to us in the future, when we identify exactly what we need to reach that next level. Meier doesn't do that for us.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.
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Selling the farm for a player that maybe adds 1 more point in the standings is just not good strategy, in my opinion. A trade like this is just too soon. It's nice to think a team with basically no players with playoff experience has any hope of avoiding a 1st round exit. In 2-3-4 years? Mitts and Ostlund will probably be much more instrumental than Meier and who knows about the 1st, but he will be good in 5-6-7 years when he need our depth to be replenished.

I just don't see the need to rush things and I honestly don't know how much Mitts <> Meier moves the needle this year. Like I said, maybe 1 point or 2. And to give up 2 more 1sts on top of that? No thanks.

As I think I mentioned in this thread, we're playing .661 hockey since Nov. 22. We're on the path to the playoffs. If we just continue our play, we'll pass PIT. That's just a matter of time.

I don't know if we will or won't. Adding Meier doesn't change me thinking that I don't know if we will or we won't.

All I know is we are already a top-scoring team in the league. And we have even more ammo on the way for when the team does have that experience necessary to make a Cup run. At that time, Meier will be ~30 years old. And a drag on our Cap space (in my estimation).

I get the excitement around BUF. I really do. Most exciting team in the league. But we aren't there yet.

There will be Meier-type players available to us in the future, when we identify exactly what we need to reach that next level. Meier doesn't do that for us.


I respect your thoughts...you make some valid points but the cap will be going up and probably by the time Skinner is gone it will have raised significantly.
There is always going to be plus's and minus's in a trade like this...as for his age he is actually younger than Tuch by a few months but his contract would be around twice as much for twice as long.
I just think you add a piece here and there that make us a better team, I take a prospect as just that until he proves otherwise. In this trade I don't think we hurt ourselves like it would have in the past.
I think Meier would add much more than 1 pt in the standing and actually with a D or two make us a wildcard team for sure.
Jan. 24, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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I respect your thoughts...you make some valid points but the cap will be going up and probably by the time Skinner is gone it will have raised significantly.
There is always going to be plus's and minus's in a trade like this...as for his age he is actually younger than Tuch by a few months but his contract would be around twice as much for twice as long.
I just think you add a piece here and there that make us a better team, I take a prospect as just that until he proves otherwise. In this trade I don't think we hurt ourselves like it would have in the past.
I think Meier would add much more than 1 pt in the standing and actually with a D or two make us a wildcard team for sure.


No doubt. Prospects are just that. Prospects. But the Sabres have done really well with drafting in these past few years. I just don't want to give that up.

Maybe 1 or 2 points is a little light. Maybe it's 3 or 4? That could be the difference between playoffs or not.

According to hockey-reference.com:

Meier: 4.9 added points in 48 games or .1 pts/game
Mitts: 1.5 added points over 46 games or .03 points per game

If that's a reference point that you consider valid it's ~2.5 more points over the course of the rest of the season. I'm not giving up 2 1sts for that.

And keep in mind, Meier takes 59.5% of 5v5 FOs in the offensive zone and Mitts takes 53.9
Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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No doubt. Prospects are just that. Prospects. But the Sabres have done really well with drafting in these past few years. I just don't want to give that up.

Maybe 1 or 2 points is a little light. Maybe it's 3 or 4? That could be the difference between playoffs or not.

According to hockey-reference.com:

Meier: 4.9 added points in 48 games or .1 pts/game
Mitts: 1.5 added points over 46 games or .03 points per game

If that's a reference point that you consider valid it's ~2.5 more points over the course of the rest of the season. I'm not giving up 2 1sts for that.

And keep in mind, Meier takes 59.5% of 5v5 FOs in the offensive zone and Mitts takes 53.9


Just as a follow-up
Lebrun has said the Sabres have reached out to San Jose about Meier...so they are interested.
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Just as a follow-up
Lebrun has said the Sabres have reached out to San Jose about Meier...so they are interested.


I know they are, just like Buffalo and Arizona have talked Chychrun but Arizona wants Savoie and that's a no go. They still haven't given permission to talk with his agent yet, that's a big step if you hear that than this could be a reality.
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I know they are, just like Buffalo and Arizona have talked Chychrun but Arizona wants Savoie and that's a no go. They still haven't given permission to talk with his agent yet, that's a big step if you hear that than this could be a reality.


Here's what Shayna Goldman said a week ago:

"After years of retooling, the Sabres have future assets. Now they need more right-now pieces that’ll help this team for years to come".

As I've said you can't build your entire team off the draft...they're had a slew of 1st round picks so use one to reel in a proven NHL talent.
I like the thought of him on a line with Cozens and Quinn. That would take a ton on pressure off the top line

What's the cost? Is it what Chi received for DeBrincat?
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Here's what Shayna Goldman said a week ago:

"After years of retooling, the Sabres have future assets. Now they need more right-now pieces that’ll help this team for years to come".

As I've said you can't build your entire team off the draft...they're had a slew of 1st round picks so use one to reel in a proven NHL talent.
I like the thought of him on a line with Cozens and Quinn. That would take a ton on pressure off the top line


Very much so, if the contract isn't to wacky it would be a very good get
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Very much so, if the contract isn't to wacky it would be a very good get


That would be the sticking point.
I'd give half of what we received for Eichel and Risto

Ostlund, Rosen and the Vegas 2nd....so for Eichel, Risto and a 23 2nd we get Tuch Meier Krebs and the Philly 2nd, sound right?
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