Quoting: BUFF36
How does he not fit are timeline, we are 3pts out. And I don't consider Mitts a 1st round piece anymore and doubt anyone does.
Quoting: Lenny54
Because a player is drafted in the first round doesn't mean his value is still first round...I don't think Mitts gets a 8th overall in a trade straight up and just bc he is having a decent year still doesn't mean he is a first round talent.
Prime example Tyson Jost. Zemgus was 14th overall and he never played to that even in his best year. I don't care where a player is drafted, it's where his talent takes him or doesn't that counts
Quoting: worldwidesensei
Mitts in 11th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
Jost is 16th in points in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent. What a pick up, for nothing!
Zemgus is 26th in his draft class. Definitely 1st round talent.
I get what you are trying to say, but 1st round draft picks are gold. I don't know the exact number, but they make up a large percentage of the league. Just on the Sabres:
13/23 are 1st round picks
Then you have Samuelsson (32nd), Asplund (33rd), JJP (34th).
It's not a hard correlation to make. That's 16/23 drafted top 34. They make up a large majority of a team.
Sure there are hits and misses, but 1st round picks are behind every successful team. To give 3 for 1 is just bad asset mgmt.
Wow great conversation.
Is Timo worth three first round picks? Probably.
Was Eichel worth Tuch alone? Not if you look at how much Tuch has improved Skinner and Thompson.
What is the value of a waiver claim? If that claim is Tyson Jost, then that claim is worth 40 pts and 16 goals over the last 20 games.
Will Timo make the players around him better? IDK, how are the Sharks doing with Couture, Hertl, Meier, LeBlanc and Karlsson?
Will the Sabres win the cup with Meier on the second line this year? Will he put the Sabres into the playoffs this year?
Suffering for over 50 years watching great teams perform poorly in the post season, it is unlikely anyone wants to see a cup more than I.
Granato is building a cohesive
team, Crowe is doing well picking up gems in the draft, Ventura analytics are working well, Karmanos is doing great engineering the trades and Adams has a great smile.
Remembering how Murray set the rebuild back 6 years giving away prospects and picks while drafting poorly while icing selfish players interested in their own success,
let's build through the draft.
I would pass on this trade, but if we could add Iafallo and Couture, and watch them play for their home town team, that would be interesting.