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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #9: Bruce, There it Goes

Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:20 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Gotta think Barbashev will go for more than that based on his contract. He's only making 2.25 Million which is like what, 800-900k in cap space come trade deadline? The super tight cap teams could easily take that on. Gotta increase his value. Could see him getting a 1st tbh. Especially with how close these playoff/bubble teams are and with the teams wanting a slight edge wherever they can get one.


I mean when Jarnkrok was traded he went for a 2nd + 3rd + 7th at 50% retained and I believe was making less than Barbashev. So if we go by that a 2nd + 3rd +7th is most likely. Now if he was traded in the summer after the monster season he had or was an RFA probs would get more.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Suzuki hasn't been good defensively in like 3 years. He's running on reputation and work ethic at this point. Suzuki is a good player but he was getting lucky/benefiting from playing with caufield


IDK, Based on the eye test, that doesn't seem right. He's constantly the guy puck battling and actually trying to get the puck back. While a guy like Dach sits in the middle of the zone and blocks the pucks. Weird.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:21 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
From the eye test, that makes absolutely no sense. Dach usually floats in the defensive zone while Suzuki actually battles for the puck and such. I wonder what metric causes that to mean Dach would be better. Very interesting.


Perfect example of how flawed the eye test is. Sure he can be lazy sometimes, but it doesn't mean he is really hurting his team defensively that much. Suzuki has better work ethic, but it is probably simply a skill issue
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:21 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
IDK, Based on the eye test, that doesn't seem right. He's constantly the guy puck battling and actually trying to get the puck back. While a guy like Dach sits in the middle of the zone and blocks the pucks. Weird.


Work ethic does not equal good play if you are simply not good at the skill
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.
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I mean when Jarnkrok was traded he went for a 2nd + 3rd + 7th at 50% retained and I believe was making less than Barbashev. So if we go by that a 2nd + 3rd is most likely. Now if he was traded in the summer after the monster season he had or was an RFA probs would get more.


I mean Jarnkrok is a 25-35 points defensive forward and Barbashev is coming off a 60 PT season. Analytically this year, he's been horrible though so It's a weird situation. I'm assuming a GM will overpay based on his reputation from last year.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
didn't know point production was debatable.


barzal is 43 in 51 this year, and has two points in his last 11 games. unless he's putting up bergeron-level defensive metrics he's not worth the money he's making.
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Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Perfect example of how flawed the eye test is. Sure he can be lazy sometimes, but it doesn't mean he is really hurting his team defensively that much. Suzuki has better work ethic, but it is probably simply a skill issue


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Work ethic does not equal good play if you are simply not good at the skill


I mean one goes for the puck and the other sits in one spot and blocks the puck. Guess simple is better in that case? Not sure.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: SnakeDelilah
barzal is 43 in 51 this year, and has two points in his last 11 games. unless he's putting up bergeron-level defensive metrics he's not worth the money he's making.


He isn't exactly surrounded by talent
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:24 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I mean one goes for the puck and the other sits in one spot and blocks the puck. Guess simple is better in that case? Not sure.


I don't watch too many Canadiens games, however I'd imagine that despite his effort, Suzuki isn't actually helping his team very much. Maybe bad giveaways? Maybe just not great at defending off the rush? Dach isn't even good defensively, he is just better than Suzuki who is bad defensively

Edit: It is a strange case with Suzuki. He was elite defensively in his rookie season but every season after that just gets progressively worse
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:25 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I mean Jarnkrok is a 25-35 points defensive forward and Barbashev is coming off a 60 PT season. Analytically this year, he's been horrible though so It's a weird situation. I'm assuming a GM will overpay based on his reputation from last year.


Lets be real that 60 point was intriguing but as of now hes regressed back into reality. So if Blues gonna try to sell teams on what he did last year should have traded him last summer.

I feel hes gonna go for a 2nd + 3rd. If anyone gives a 1st he better be coming with an extension lul
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Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:25 p.m.
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Quoting: SnakeDelilah
barzal is 43 in 51 this year, and has two points in his last 11 games. unless he's putting up bergeron-level defensive metrics he's not worth the money he's making.


Barzal has been playing through an injury for the last month and he plays with AHL level wingers, point production is influenced by who you play with. It's debatable whether he's worth exactly 9.15 mill but he's not far off. One of the more dynamic centers in the game and one of the leagues best playmakers.

He's a star , it's better to slightly overpay stars than supporting talent
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:26 p.m.
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Still can't believe Artemi Panarin got traded for Brandon Saad
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Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Barzal has been playing through an injury for the last month and he plays with AHL level wingers, point production is influenced by who you play with. It's debatable whether he's worth exactly 9.15 mill but he's not far off. One of the more dynamic centers in the game and one of the leagues best playmakers.

He's a star , it's better to slightly overpay stars than supporting talent


Put him on injury reserve and tank
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:31 p.m.
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Put him on injury reserve and tank


I wish
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:36 p.m.
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I wish


Horvat needs to go ASAP. His 31 goals are hurting team tank. Pettersson is unfortunately having a career year in the wrong season
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:41 p.m.
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Horvat needs to go ASAP. His 31 goals are hurting team tank. Pettersson is unfortunately having a career year in the wrong season


Vancouver's asking price isn't helping. He'll likely be traded last minute because of the asking price.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Barzal has been playing through an injury for the last month and he plays with AHL level wingers, point production is influenced by who you play with. It's debatable whether he's worth exactly 9.15 mill but he's not far off. One of the more dynamic centers in the game and one of the leagues best playmakers.

He's a star , it's better to slightly overpay stars than supporting talent


he's a good player but he's not a star, isles now gotta maneuver their way thru $10 mil in cap space next season just to give him a supporting cast. gotta love lamoriello asset management
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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Horvat needs to go ASAP. His 31 goals are hurting team tank. Pettersson is unfortunately having a career year in the wrong season


Quinn Hughes is also hurting team tank
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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Quoting: SnakeDelilah
he's a good player but he's not a star, isles now gotta maneuver their way thru $10 mil in cap space next season just to give him a supporting cast. gotta love lamoriello asset management


On the bright side, they're bringing back the exact same team. They can add 10 Million in improvements, There aren't a lot of teams that can do that.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:50 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Definitely not.

Stutzle, Raymond, Lafreniere, Mercer, Lundell, Jarvis, Drysdale, Perfetti, Schneider, Byfield, Sanderson, Guhle are 100% locks I'm taking over Quinn. Could even argue guys like Holtz and Askarov.


Lol.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:54 p.m.
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Lol.


That's not a bad thing though. All of those players will be solid core players in the league. Quinn can be the same thing. No doubt in my mind he becomes a consistent 60 PT guy.
Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:55 p.m.
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Frank got absolutely destroyed for this... but he was right. A lot of people owe him an apology.
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Jan. 28, 2023 at 11:59 p.m.
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Quoting: SnakeDelilah
he's a good player but he's not a star, isles now gotta maneuver their way thru $10 mil in cap space next season just to give him a supporting cast. gotta love lamoriello asset management


Barzal is definitely a star - there probably Isn’t one executive in hockey who doesn’t think barzal is a star. He’s top 10 in multiple important categories that lead to scoring chances, good defensively and elite on the powerplay.

Lou won’t be the GM and isles will have to rebuild , they will be sellers
Jan. 29, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
That's not a bad thing though. All of those players will be solid core players in the league. Quinn can be the same thing. No doubt in my mind he becomes a consistent 60 PT guy.


A lot of those players including Quinn haven't proved sh*t. The only guy I would guarentee with that much certainty right now is Stutzle, maybe Raymond.
Jan. 29, 2023 at 12:09 a.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
I don't watch too many Canadiens games, however I'd imagine that despite his effort, Suzuki isn't actually helping his team very much. Maybe bad giveaways? Maybe just not great at defending off the rush? Dach isn't even good defensively, he is just better than Suzuki who is bad defensively

Edit: It is a strange case with Suzuki. He was elite defensively in his rookie season but every season after that just gets progressively worse


He might put in the effort sometimes, but most of the time I find him lazy and waiting for the puck to come to him.
Dach is actually physical, and into it.
Suzuki is just a 2nd line Center.
He fared better in his rookie season, because Danault was playing top line. Obviously Suzuki being 2nd line caliber and playing against superstars each night, is not gonna play well defensively. But if we get Bedard, and Suzuki can be a 2nd line C, he'd be much better defensively.
 
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