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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #9: Bruce, There it Goes

Jan. 31, 2023 at 6:44 a.m.
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So you are telling me that I should trust YOUR qualitative observations instead? By the eye test, Josh Anderson is a top 10 player in the NHL in my opinion


Does Josh Anderson have the numbers to back that up? By the eye test he's awful. Does he win face-offs and shut down other teams' top players? Is he a point per game player? Does he play on the top line on a top 5 team in the NHL? Finally, is there a consensus among fans, media, and analysts that Josh Anderson is an exceptional 2-way player? No, No, No, No, and No. I'm talking about results and you're talking about an abstract concept. Why have scouts? Why not just trust your charts and graphs? Because they're misleading and you can cherrypick them to fit your argument. You cannot cherrypick results. Hockey is a team game. It's not like baseball where you thrive on analytics. Never will be.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 9:05 a.m.
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It's been a really rough day for your team. And it's gonna be a really rough next 8-10 years as well. I truly empathize. As for the Selke, you know better. This award is never given to the best defensive Forward. It's given to the best defensive Forward who happens to be an excellent offensive player. Or do you think it's a coincidence that every winner just happens to be one of the better offensive Forwards in the game? Nico Hischier is undeniably one of the top 2-way Centers in the game right now.


I'm not sure you realize that I root for the Isles to fail and them having rough 10 years is exactly what I want. You really you were doing something there...tears of joy

Can you prove Hischier is one of the top two way centers in the game? That's all I ask bud. There's at least 30 forwards (including jack Hughes) who are significantly better defensively than Hischier. The only reason Hischier gets overrated defensively is because he has good work ethic. He's an average defensive forward.
Jan. 31, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Brian2016
My 50-Game/ASG Break Awards:

Hart:
1. Connor McDavid
2. Jack Hughes
3. David Pastrnak
Norris:
1. Erik Karlsson
2. Rasmus Dahlin
3. Josh Morrissey
Vezina:
1. Linus Ullmark
2. Connor Hellebuyck
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
Calder:
1. Matty Beniers
2. Mason McTavish
3. Logan Thompson
Selke:
1. Patrice Bergeron
2. Nico Hischier
3. Mitch Marner
Jack Adams:
1. Jim Montgomery
2. Don Granato
3. Dave Hakstol
Ted Lindsay:
1. Connor McDavid
2. David Pastrnak
3. Leon Draisaitl

These aren't predictions. These are just my picks. Doesn't seem to be many controversial award winners at this point. Hart and Vezina should babe unanimous.


Karlsson pretty much won’t win the Norris because the sharks are one of the worst teams in the nhl.

If the sabres make the playoffs I would support giving it to Dahlin
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
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Somebody should make a handy dandy friendly guide for making AGM trades.

Rule #1 should be: If you have to throw six pieces at a team to acquire one player and his name is not Connor, stop. You're doing it wrong. Start over.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.
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Somebody should make a handy dandy friendly guide for making AGM trades.

Rule #1 should be: If you have to throw six pieces at a team to acquire one player and his name is not Connor, stop. You're doing it wrong. Start over.


But you can throw 7 pieces at a team to acquire one player if his name is Matt
Jan. 31, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.
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Somebody should make a handy dandy friendly guide for making AGM trades.

Rule #1 should be: If you have to throw six pieces at a team to acquire one player and his name is not Connor, stop. You're doing it wrong. Start over.


Yah, anytime I see a team with a large amount of trades, or a trade with more then like 6 pieces I find a different team to critique. Trades like that do not happen in real life.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
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Projections for next season IMO

Beauvillier : 22 G, 25 A 47 pts

Raty : 18 G 28 A 46 pts

Horvat: 22 G , 18 A 40 pts
Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Projections for next season IMO

Beauvillier : 22 G, 25 A 47 pts

Raty : 18 G 28 A 46 pts

Horvat: 22 G , 18 A 40 pts




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Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Isles fans should look up sunken cost fallacy
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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I thought I wasn't hearing correctly when I heard him say Antonio Beauvillier. Glad other people heard that.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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Somebody should make a handy dandy friendly guide for making AGM trades.

Rule #1 should be: If you have to throw six pieces at a team to acquire one player and his name is not Connor, stop. You're doing it wrong. Start over.


Didnt the Blues give 5 pieces for ROR?
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Brian2016
My 50-Game/ASG Break Awards:

Hart:
1. Connor McDavid
2. Jack Hughes
3. David Pastrnak
Norris:
1. Erik Karlsson
2. Rasmus Dahlin
3. Josh Morrissey
Vezina:
1. Linus Ullmark
2. Connor Hellebuyck
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
Calder:
1. Matty Beniers
2. Mason McTavish
3. Logan Thompson
Selke:
1. Patrice Bergeron
2. Nico Hischier
3. Mitch Marner
Jack Adams:
1. Jim Montgomery
2. Don Granato
3. Dave Hakstol
Ted Lindsay:
1. Connor McDavid
2. David Pastrnak
3. Leon Draisaitl

These aren't predictions. These are just my picks. Doesn't seem to be many controversial award winners at this point. Hart and Vezina should babe unanimous.


Hughes should be a candidate if he keeps it up. But don’t underestimate the amount of hate Hughes draws from a good chunk of hockey world. I do not know why, but it’s real.

And I think Perfetti should be #2 for Calder.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 12:59 p.m.
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Hughes is literally better offensively and defensively. Hischier has negative EVD and DEF. What is with all the Hischier hype?


Hughes - plays with puck the whole time, so less defense to play.

Hischier - faces oppositions top line, gets more dzone starts
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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Quoting: LIRIK
Didnt the Blues give 5 pieces for ROR?


Fun Math facts with NoVa: 5 does not equal 6

Tune in next time for more Fun Math facts with NoVa!
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:03 p.m.
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Can you prove Hischier is one of the top two way centers in the game? That's all I ask bud. There's at least 30 forwards (including jack Hughes) who are significantly better defensively than Hischier. The only reason Hischier gets overrated defensively is because he has good work ethic. He's an average defensive forward.


Lordy.

This one is a doozy
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:09 p.m.
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No Nic Dowd on this list is a travesty
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:10 p.m.
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I'm going to ask we start actually including some semblance of conversation when we link tweets, RAPM charts, or snips from the Athletic. It's currently giving "Look at this Photograph" vibes and I'd rather you guys actually built on these ideas rather than just tossing them into conversations like they actually mean anything.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:12 p.m.
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I'm going to ask we start actually including some semblance of conversation when we link tweets, RAPM charts, or snips from the Athletic. It's currently giving "Look at this Photograph" vibes and I'd rather you guys actually built on these ideas rather than just tossing them into conversations like they actually mean anything.


Look ^

There has been entire conversation about Hischier and his defensive game in this thread.
Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:19 p.m.
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Somebody should make a handy dandy friendly guide for making AGM trades.

Rule #1 should be: If you have to throw six pieces at a team to acquire one player and his name is not Connor, stop. You're doing it wrong. Start over.


I disagree. Connor Dewar is good, but not THAT good.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:21 p.m.
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Somebody should make a handy dandy friendly guide for making AGM trades.

Rule #1 should be: If you have to throw six pieces at a team to acquire one player and his name is not Connor, stop. You're doing it wrong. Start over.


You really think Kyle Connor is worth 6 assets?
Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.
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I'm going to ask we start actually including some semblance of conversation when we link tweets, RAPM charts, or snips from the Athletic. It's currently giving "Look at this Photograph" vibes and I'd rather you guys actually built on these ideas rather than just tossing them into conversations like they actually mean anything.


I wholeheartedly agree. For the past few months, this thread is almost exclusively a compilation of Chart X being compared with Chart Y.

Kingdom of intellectual shortcuts.
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
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Whats weird about this chart as if u compare Matthews and Danault this season Matthews has made more defensive plays and had better D metrics or something. There is a tweet explaining it and I dont know if it was this or last forum but its here somewhere

But man IF ONLY HE PK'D AHHHHHHH
Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
I'm going to ask we start actually including some semblance of conversation when we link tweets, RAPM charts, or snips from the Athletic. It's currently giving "Look at this Photograph" vibes and I'd rather you guys actually built on these ideas rather than just tossing them into conversations like they actually mean anything.


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(I understand this isn't really helping, and for that, i sincerely apologize, but this was a meme i couldn't make and then not share it)
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Jan. 31, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
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everyone should take a data management class together
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