rental Tarasenko is not worth more than rental Horvat

I like Korczak, but I can't really argue much with this.

Assuming Tarasenko comes back healthy, obviously.

Rangers get to keep Kravtsov and Robertson.

Maybe a 4th instead of the 3rd, but that's nitpicking.

Tarasenko would compliment Panarin perfectly.

I can argue with this….instead of the 1st, make it a 2nd- with a condition to be a 1st if they win the Cup. FWIW, can put conditions on the 3rd as well to upgrade- if he extends, wins, Conn Smythe, or whatever.

Point is- again- big assets leaving NY here. And unless they win the Cup, it’s a big waste.

Can't really envision a situation in which Tarasenko returns more than O'Reilly, given his trade clause and such.

Why is Edmonton paying more than the ROR price for two mediocre players??

Why is Edmonton paying more than the Tarasenko price for two mediocre players??

Buddy if you're not willing to part with a first round pick (when you're the only buyer that has four in the next three drafts) and a B tier prospect for a top six rental forward you are going to have an extremely difficult time making any trades of consequence.

I’m fine with either making no moves or making only smaller moves. Not that I doubt he will fetch a 1st…would just rather not see NYR to be the team to give it up. Any hope at extending him and I change my tune- but for a few weeks plus playoffs? Not a chance!

This is always perplexing to me. Fans often have such a hesitance to move a late 1st for an impact player even when the odds of that late 1st even becoming an NHL player is around 50%.

This is mainly a blanket statement. I know there are certain situations in which it doesn’t always make sense fit wise. But man, if you’re on the cusp and can add a player who throughout their career is near a PPG player and are not wanting to add that caliber of a player for a late 1st and some minor assets that most likely won’t pan out, it makes you wonder how they can expect their team to win aside from a stroke of luck.

Your justification is exactly why 1sts get traded for guys like Giroux, Chiarot, etc. But if you go back through the years it would be interesting to see how many Cup winners did add a rental at TDL….my guess is far fewer than the 50% or so late 1st rounders who become relevant players.

I watch as many NYR games as I can- and I guess as long as Shest is on his game they can be considered “on the cusp” , reality is they are not on the cusp-nor 1 player away.

Cause they’re not. Rangers and Oilers picks are going to be in the mid to late 20’s most likely. The Leafs will be around 17. That’s around 10 spots in a deep draft. Also Barbeshev and Mikky are good players, not mediocre. I’d do that in a heart beat.

BOS would take Noel back...
-done-

The other thing to say about 1st round picks is that even if you hit you probably won't see that you hit for another two years or so if you're drafting late in the first round, which is not ideal for a team that, on the cusp or not, is sort of in a win-now mode.

I guess the thing that I take issue with is the aversion to spending the assets when my view of the situation- and I'm not a Rangers fan, so you know, what do I know- is this is probably your best time to use those assets. The likelihood of winning after trading for a rental is always going to be low. The likelihood of winning after you don't trade for a rental is also going to be low. Only one team wins, that's just how it works, so I feel like framing it as "so many teams didn't win after spending a 1st round pick on a rental, therefore spending a 1st round pick on a rental is likely going to be a waste" is extremely limiting.

I'm not saying it has to be Tarasenko, but I do feel like if the Rangers stand pat and use both of those 1st round picks in the draft this year, that's malpractice. I more or less agree that they're not one piece away from being bulletproof. But I look at this team- especially their forward group- and I'm wondering how many more kicks at the can their core really has. Panarin at 31, Kreider at 31, Zibanejad at 29, Trocheck at 29. It just seems like, ready or not, you kinda gotta go for it now, because the likelihood of a drop off in fire power in the next two or three years seems pretty high. If you draft with those picks and hit, what's the team going to look like in two or three years when those picks are difference makers?

This is all doubly true considering they have two 1sts. They can spend one and pocket another for the draft and pretty much break-even no matter what happens in the playoffs.

VT and Breadman are bffs btw
VT almost made the blues sign Panarin before he chi did

I can given ROR is injured atm

ROR is playing like ass and is hurt atm

I agree Horvat returns more than this

I have to give it to you- you lay down a good argument as to why they should use at least 1 of their 1sts to improve chances in the playoff push…and yes- making no moves (while others do) does not improve chances. BUT….if this team were in a position to add a player for the Cup run who will be around at least for next year (albeit preferably even longer) then I am much less averse to moving 1 or even both 1sts. But a 2-3 month rental? I just see putting the eggs in one basket as too risky. And even though they have (2) 1sts- remember- one is the return from Nils, who is on his way to becoming very comfortable and productive in DAL. So I do not look at that pick as expendable.

Unfortunately, NYR are in the Cap position they are in and with the age of players you mention. While Mika, Pan, Kreider, and Trocheck clocks are ticking- that in itself doesn’t expedite when LaF, Kakko, Chytil, Schneider, or Krav or Gaut are ready. This is my main point to make small moves at TDL rather than a big splash. Because even with a big move involving Tarasenko, Meier, or Kane…too much of the team is still developing. If things progress (as all NYR fans hope) then maybe next year is the time for “all in mode” at TDL. Because this year they are still not there- that’s my aversion to burning one or two 1sts for a rental this year. And believe me- this very topic is a very big topic of debate among NYR fans…there is no consensus either way- and guess what? It really doesn’t matter! Drury’s gonna do what he’s gonna do whatever fans on either side of this debate say!

That’s certainly fair.

It’s just with the Rangers having such a large group of assets that they could move and having a good core and an elite goalie, enhancing the chances right now in my mind which could be wrong, is probably the best bet.

I don’t think that Lafreniere or Kakko are what they are right now. But the Rangers window certainly appears to be open right now. I know they’ll have a cap crunch soon and could use a few ELCs in the near future. But they have a lot of their core signed to term who are getting a bit older. I think they certainly have some good years still ahead but I don’t think that with some cap crunches probably coming soon that taking chances these next couple of years while they have assets to do so is a bad strategy at all.

Doesn't matter - you aren't getting a Tarasenko-like return for 2 mediocre players. ROR and Tank will always command more.

Currently:

19. Edmonton
24. New York Rangers
29. Toronto

Predicting playoff success/ failure is a fools errand.

There's no reasonable explanation for paying MORE for two mediocre players than the price of a recent playoff MVP. Especially when we know both guys will disappear in the playoffs.

Ludicrous.

ROR doesn’t is worse than barby atm so I feel he actually gets more

One of those guys won the Conn Smythe award recently, the other is known to disappear in the playoffs. Which one is more valuable again?!