No need to add Holl and Engvall to the Canucks deal

So to get better we significantly reduce our depth for an unknown goalie, an overrated LD we don't need, an unproven LW and a 33 year old 7/8th defenceman? Terrible

Truly woeful

Take Vejmelka and Murray out of the deal and it's about right.

Troll

Yes, that is what this post is.

No, these trades make the team deeper and better in key positions.

You took two of the best members of our bottom 6 and replaced them with Joey Anderson and McMann who have 1 point between them. So much deeper

You're talking about Kerfoot and Engvall? They have no future on the Leafs, so might as well dump them at the trade deadline and let the young guys get crucial playoff experience which will make them better. It's not like Kerfoot and Engvall tip the scale for the Leafs. Their loss wouldn't be felt all that much.

Engvall consistently gets the puck from his zone to the offensive zone. And is on pace for nearly 20 goals and 40 points. That's pretty great depth, who cares if he likely leaves in the off season, he's better than McMann or Anderson by a very wide margin right now. Same with Kerfoot. And Jarnkrock has looked good next to JT, been on a 60+ point pace since moving up there. So how does taking 38 points from Kerfoot and Engvall and replacing that with 1 point from Anderson and McMann make TO better? Is it because of Kuzmenko who's feasting on the #1 PP for Vancouver, he won't get that in TO. This is just the classic grass is always greener scenario. That or you just play too much video games and think replacing depth guys with AHL players automatically make you better some how.

Regular season stats mean nothing. In the playoffs the Leafs will need a Kuzmenko or his equivalent in the top six to contribute because Kerfoot and Engvall and Jarnkrok won't be able to. Forget how much he's on pace to score, did you watch Jarnkrok on the Flames last season in the playoffs? He was invisible, as were Kerf and Vall.

How many points does Kuzmenko have in his NHL playoff career? You just hate your own, or are a troll.

It's not hate, just rational analysis.

You are trading for a below average goalie for no clear reason.

While Chycrun is a great d man, he really isn't what the Leafs need. I'd love to have him but I wouldn't pay the asking price as he's more a bonus for the Leafs.

You've traded kerfoot and engvall both solid third liners and two firsts and our best prospect? Pass

Murray is a below average goalie making way too much. So the intention is to save money in that back up position considering Samsonov is running away with the net.

There is nothing "solid" about Kerfoot and Engvall. They are not playoff pieces on a championship roster.

And, yes, two firsts and Knies walk out the door, but the Leafs get back Chychrun to replace Muzzin in the top 4 and a cheap ppg sniper.

You sure you don't want to give vancouver kerfoot also. Your sending all your ufas. I dont hate it but you probably have to send a decent ( but not top) prospect since it's not this year's 1st and paying your ufas.

Rational? How can you possibly say a 3rd of our bottom 6 with AHLer's is rational? Have you seen any of your "massive improvements" do an end to end rush for a huge goal? Engvall did that what 5 games ago? Kerfoot is a very good PK guy and he's also had playoff success as well. This isn't rational analysis, it's either trolling or it's just the classic "grass is greener" attitude too many people have. It doesn't make sense otherwise. You can easily add Kuzmenko without moving anyone.

Come on dude; you complain about playoff prod’n and then tout the guy (Kuz) with literally ZERO playoff experience.
You’re entitled to your opinion, which I respect but couldn’t disagree more with your takes. These trades are really bad

Playoff experience is overrated. Kuzmenko can snipe it. He will score an important goal for whichever playoff team trades for him. I hope it's the Leafs.

Read your first line from each post; you’re starting to contradict yourself . Sure sign you should give this up; at least we can agree on ‘go Leafs go’ 💪

???

There's nothing contradictory about either statement. Both are true. For guys like Kerfoot and Engvall, their stats in the season mean nothing because they have shown in the past to go invisible against a team like Tampa or Boston in the playoffs. Their playoff experience is getting run over and taking stupid penalties. The Leafs need snipers and cold blood goal scorers who can score in crunch time.

Nothing contradictory - Kuz is a lethal sniper and would be great in playoffs for any team but has zero playoff experience. Clearly you’re basing that conclusion on his reg season stats which you stated are meaningless 🧐. You got yourself in a box there.
And blaming leaf playoff failures on engvall & Kerfoot is lame; they weren’t great but they weren’t terrible either. They both contribute - not enough offensively - defensively and are fine for bottom 6 role. Big boys need to step it up and we need a goalie that can make a save at critical - both game 7 winning goals were soft

I don't judge Kuzmenko based on his stats, but at how he controls play, his playmaking, and his nose for the net. He's done very well for being in a new country on a crappy team in his first year. That's hard to do. He's elite.

Engvall and Kerfoot are not "fine" for the bottom six because when the Leafs come up against Tampa or Boston they will get eaten alive, so why waste 5.5 million on them? It makes no sense.

Dude you are too much . I watched the series vs Tampa last year - not sure you did? No one got eaten alive , it was about as close a series as you can have; we outscored Tampa & arguably outplayed them. But they are a great team (3 straight finals); and they got the big goal & save when they needed it. Kuzmenko scores half his goals on PP (he’s not cracking into our PP1) and his shoot % is ridiculously high @ ~25%. No playoff experience but your eye test says he’s good to go. You’re a beaut

Over the last two years (ie since Vejmelka joined the NHL)

Vejmelka 0.901 save percentage 3.51 gaa and he has saved 16.4 LESS goals than an average goalie would in his situation (as per hockey reference)
Murray 0.908 save percentage 2.9 gaa and he has saved 2.5 goals ABOVE what an average goalie would have.

So the downgrade seems pretty clear. You do save 2 million but you get a ****ty goaltender.

Engvall is essentially a typical replaceable 3rd liner. He's good defensively. He is good for about 10-14 goals and 30ish points (or playing at such a pace over 82) and he can play all three forward positions. I and everyone else would love if he were more physical but that's why he's meh not good. But he's not bad

The hate on kerfoot I always just find hilarious. Over the last 3 years kerfoot is 139th in points by a forward (https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20202021&seasonTo=20222023&gameType=2&position=F&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=1&pageSize=100) with 95 pts in 186 gp. Which when you remember there are 32 teams or 96 first liners puts him at low end second liner offense...

His 186 gp/95 pts are similar to
Jeff Carter 174/94
J Staal 176/96
Backlund 184/98
Stastny 172/88
Lehkonen 163/84

By the way if you look at even strength he jumps to 90th (ie a crappy first liner) with 74 pts in 186 gp

We all know kerfoot is super fast. Is a good PKer and is good defensively.

But maybe you're going to want to claim his issue is he doesn't produce in the playoffs?

Since he joined the team 4 years ago kerfoot has 11 pts in 19 playoff gp. 3rd on the team (Tavares has 9 in 13 gp as he had that injury 2 years ago)

Kerfoot is no super star and he's not a particularly good 2nd liner. But he is a good 3rd liner and can play up and down the line up. Good player to have. The hate on him is just stuoid