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Maximum rebuild

Created by: justaBoss
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 24, 2023
Published: Jan. 24, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
2$795,000
2$795,000
3$795,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$3,000,000
2$787,500
3$783,333
1$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$6,000,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Firkus, Jagger [Reserve List]
  2. Robertson, Tucker [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (SEA)
  4. 2023 6th round pick (WSH)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (SEA)
Additional Details:
F Joonas Donskoi
SEA
  1. Bear, Ethan [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 7th round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
F Bo Horvat ($2,750,000 retained)

2022-23 Trade deadline deal
2.
VAN
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2023 6th round pick (EDM)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
F Justin Bailey
EDM
  1. Dries, Sheldon
Additional Details:
F Andrei Kuzmenko
D Luke Schenn

2022-23 Trade deadline deal
3.
VAN
  1. Bryson, Jacob
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Garland, Conor
  2. Lockhart, Connor [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
2022-23 Trade deadline deal
4.
VAN
  1. 2023 4th round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  2. Pederson, Lane [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
2022-23 Trade deadline deal
5.
VAN
  1. Roslovic, Jack
  2. Sillinger, Cole
  3. Svozil, Stanislav
  4. 2023 1st round pick (CBJ)
  5. 2024 4th round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
Trade only happens under two assumptions

1: CBJ does not win the lottery, the pick is in the 3rd to 5th range

2: CBJ has managed to acquire another 2023 1st round pick during the 2022-23 Trade deadline
CBJ
  1. Pettersson, Elias
  2. Thiessen, Matthew [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
2023 NHL Entry Draft blockbuster
6.
VAN
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Primeau, Cayden
  3. Struble, Jayden [Reserve List]
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  5. 2024 5th round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Rathbone, Jack
Additional Details:
2023 NHL Entry Draft deal
7.
VAN
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Nemec, Simon
  3. Vilén, Topias
  4. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
  5. 2025 3rd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Hughes, Quinn
  2. Stillman, Riley
Additional Details:
2023 Offseason blockbuster
8.
LAK
  1. Demko, Thatcher
  2. Joshua, Dakota
Additional Details:
2023 Offseason Blockbuster
9.
VAN
  1. Järventie, Roby
  2. Zaitsev, Nikita
  3. 2024 6th round pick (OTT)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
    Future considerations

    2023 Offseason cap dump
    10.
    VAN
    1. 2024 3rd round pick (NSH)
    NSH
    1. Höglander, Nils [RFA Rights]
    Additional Details:
    2023 Offseason deal
    11.
    VAN
    DAL
      VAN will also deal...

      - F Jack Roslovic
      - F Tanner Pearson
      - D Tyler Myers
      - D Shayne Gostisbehere (which they sign for one year deal as a free agent with high cap hit, similar to what ANA is doing with Klingberg.)

      ...by the 2023-24 deadline. Typically rental assets gather more value at the end of the season compared to the beginning, as we have better knowledge of which teams are competitive and willing to buy, and which are not.
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2023
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      2024
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      2025
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$83,500,000$62,889,583$850,000$5,800,000$20,610,417
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      RW, LW
      RFA - 1
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      $8,000,000$8,000,000
      C, LW, RW
      NMC
      UFA - 7
      Logo of the New Jersey Devils
      $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      RW, LW
      RFA - 2
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $4,750,000$4,750,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      C
      RFA - 1
      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $3,250,000$3,250,000
      LW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
      $2,000,000$2,000,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $1,000,000$1,000,000
      RW, C
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $3,400,000$3,400,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $883,750$883,750
      C
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $783,333$783,333
      RW
      UFA - 2
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the New Jersey Devils
      $918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$3,250,000$3M)
      RD
      RFA - 3
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $762,500$762,500
      G
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      LD
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      G
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
      $1,850,000$1,850,000
      LD/RD
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Ottawa Senators
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
      $890,000$890,000
      G
      RFA - 2
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $2,500,000$2,500,000
      RD
      UFA - 2
      $795,000$795,000
      LD
      RFA - 2
      Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
      $762,500$762,500
      RW, C
      RFA - 1

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      Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:39 p.m.
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      No way Van would put any conditions on picks in a Petey deal. Canucks would want more. Sillinger is also the hometown kid so by the time Van asks for 3 1sts and Cole it's a no go for CBJ.
      Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:43 p.m.
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      Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
      No way Van would put any conditions on picks in a Petey deal. Canucks would want more. Sillinger is also the hometown kid so by the time Van asks for 3 1sts and Cole it's a no go for CBJ.


      VAN is not putting any conditions there. CBJ is. They won't deal potential 3rd overall without having another first on their name, but the rumor is they might get one by trading Gavrikov at the deadline.

      Naturally they won't deal a lottery winning pick.
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      Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      VAN is not putting any conditions there. CBJ is. They won't deal potential 3rd overall without having another first on their name. Nor will they deal a lottery winning pick.


      Then there is zero chance Van would do that.
      Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
      Then there is zero chance Van would do that.


      It doesn't hurt VAN at all though...they will get a 3rd-5th overall pick in the deal regardless.
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:49 a.m.
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      Really bad rater of value I must say.
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 1:35 a.m.
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      Quoting: bogdown
      Really bad rater of value I must say.


      Do elaborate
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:05 a.m.
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      Do elaborate


      Pettersson is untouchable, he is a top 10 centre in the league and a superstar right now. I wouldn't trade him away unless you are absolutely sure that he won't sign or whatever BS.

      Kuzmenko and Schenn are the most undervalued players I've ever seen on this website. Kuzmenko is a guy making league minimum scoring at Panarin's and Kaprizov's rookie season pace, not to mention he loves Vancouver and wants to re-sign. If you do trade him, you at least get back more than Jesse Puljujarvi who probably won't even be in the league next year and a late first. Schenn too is another guy making league minimum with championship pedigree. Edmonton paid a second, a seventh, and Lagesson for Kulak, Schenn is much better than Kulak, let alone Chariot. Plus they already turned down Schenn for a second at last year's deadline.

      The Hughes to NJ trades are so strange. There is no reason to trade a top 5 offensive defenseman in the league just to "unite" the Hughes brothers.

      Demko trade is meh I guess, but Cal Petersen in brutal. The Canucks have lost half of their games this year because of bad goaltending, they don't need another bad goalie.

      Horvat trade is brutal, and you managed to sneak Ethan Bear in, who is currently our best young RHD. To trade Bo to a divisional rival just down the road would return a much larger package than that.

      And why are we selling so low on Hoglander. The guy is one of two players from the second round that year to even play 100 games in the NHL and he's thriving in Abbotsford. Why the hell would we trade him for a mid third?
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:50 a.m.
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      Quoting: bogdown
      Pettersson is untouchable, he is a top 10 centre in the league and a superstar right now. I wouldn't trade him away unless you are absolutely sure that he won't sign or whatever BS.

      Kuzmenko and Schenn are the most undervalued players I've ever seen on this website. Kuzmenko is a guy making league minimum scoring at Panarin's and Kaprizov's rookie season pace, not to mention he loves Vancouver and wants to re-sign. If you do trade him, you at least get back more than Jesse Puljujarvi who probably won't even be in the league next year and a late first. Schenn too is another guy making league minimum with championship pedigree. Edmonton paid a second, a seventh, and Lagesson for Kulak, Schenn is much better than Kulak, let alone Chariot. Plus they already turned down Schenn for a second at last year's deadline.

      The Hughes to NJ trades are so strange. There is no reason to trade a top 5 offensive defenseman in the league just to "unite" the Hughes brothers.

      Demko trade is meh I guess, but Cal Petersen in brutal. The Canucks have lost half of their games this year because of bad goaltending, they don't need another bad goalie.

      Horvat trade is brutal, and you managed to sneak Ethan Bear in, who is currently our best young RHD. To trade Bo to a divisional rival just down the road would return a much larger package than that.

      And why are we selling so low on Hoglander. The guy is one of two players from the second round that year to even play 100 games in the NHL and he's thriving in Abbotsford. Why the hell would we trade him for a mid third?


      Well the whole premise of this post is that VAN starts on a completely new slate, and trading Pettersson would be a starter in this regard. I don't know about you, but imo for a rebuilder gaining a 3rd-5th overall pick in one of the deepest drafts ever is enticing, as well as getting two really good prospects, and a pending UFA center that can be traded for picks later down the line.

      The notion of Schenn being "one of the most undervalued players" on this site is subjective, you could also argue that he's one of the most overvalued guy around by Nucks fans. It's only been a matter of year and a half when he was the 7D in Tampa's cup winning team, not even consistently making it into the lineup. Just because he does relatively well in VAN in comparison to their bottom-3 defense league wide doesn't mean he's anything special - he's a career bottom pair D-man. The value he provides is mostly due to his very affordable cap hit. I just have to wonder that if teams were willing to offer only a 2nd round pick for him when he had two years left, why would he have any more value as a rental now?

      Now all that aside, the comparison to Kulak is rather fair. And I don't think I've really missed the mark on that regard either. Schenn for 2nd+6th. Lagesson was worth nothing, he was included simply to even out the contract slots.

      Kuzmenko's value is rather tough to distinguish, we're talking about a 27 year old playing his first year in the league, although putting really good results. Comparison to Panarin and Kaprizov doesn't really work since the two of them were 24 and 23 respectively when making their NHL debuts. His contract status bring no leverage, he's a rare case of a player that becomes UFA right after his first year. I think netting a first for him, all things considered, is quite fair. They can opt to keep him of course if he wants to commit in Vancouver long-term, but once again it doesn't really follow the premise of this post, which is about rebuilding. Still, I'd argue Pulju+1st is enough for a guy like this.

      Hughes trade is also made under the premise that VAN blows up. Should Hughes become available, I don't doubt for second that NJ is interested, specifically for the concept of uniting all Hughes brothers. As well as the Demko trade, if they plan to rebuild. Kings offers here two prospects and a first in order to swap Demko and Petersen, because as you said, Petersen is brutal. However, if VAN is at the rebuilding state, it doesn't really matter that much who they'll go with, as they're not competing anyway, meanwhile the Kings do need a goalie, and Demko prior to this year has been solid. They have good enough prospect pool to take a chance with goalie swap.

      Horvat trade is brutal? That'd be one of the largest package to be moved for a rental in last five years, if not the largest. And VAN literally just acquired Bear for a 5th round pick, he's not exactly a groundbreaking asset, but brings Kraken depth for their playoff run. Also calling Bear a "young RHD" is a bit much...he's turning 26 this year.

      Höglander can be kept if necessary. Just thought that a 22 year old circling between NHL and AHL in a relatively bad team doesn't inspire huge amount of confidence. At least to me. I'd prefer swapping such asset to something that will have value later down the line, as there's a risk Höglander will lose his.
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      Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:45 a.m.
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      Vancouver says no to every single one of these
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:21 a.m.
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      Do elaborate
      As a Sabre fan I would make that if you could include Bear or Schenn and Buffalo send a comparable to Lockhart.
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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      That's a lot for the Devils to give up.
      Especially for a LHD they don't really have a need for.
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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      Petterson is represented by one of Pat Brisson's subordinates - and given our past history with contract negotiations with same, I don't want to pursue him. Certainly not for that price.
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      Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
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      Quoting: Tintin
      That's a lot for the Devils to give up.
      Especially for a LHD they don't really have a need for.


      Hughes trio though
      Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: justaBoss
      Hughes trio though


      stop it boosman
       
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