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PLD Rumor

Created by: Campabee
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 24, 2023
Published: Jan. 24, 2023
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Used tonight's lineup and subbed in PLD
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  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
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So according to Nick Kypreos who was on the Tim & Friends show PLD will not re-sign in Winnipeg long-term and even winning a Stanley Cup with the Jets will not change his mind. He want to be in Montreal and he is going to do everything he can to get there this off-season. Now the question is does this tank his value in a trade if true? Would teams be willing to give up any assets for 1 year or less of PLD in the summer?
WPG
  1. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
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This is not the offer, just had to make a trade to abide by the rules. Used the 2024 1st just cause this is an off-season trade according to Kypreos. Remember this is not the offer or what I think he will return its just a trade to set up the discussion on whether this tanks his value or not.
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Jan. 24, 2023 at 11:50 p.m.
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Here the link to the segment

https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1615506883699154948?cxt=HHwWiICx8fG8t-ssAAAA

Edit*** I forgot to add if this rumor is true does that change how Hughes approaches the draft if he doesn't win one of the lotteries? Does he go after a Michkov, Benson, Sale or Cristall instead of a center and a Sandin-Pellikka with the Cats pick? Or does he still take the center?
Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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Dubois also said people blow his agents comments out of proportion and he didn’t ask out of Winnipeg.

Kypreos said he thinks a lot in the clip. He’s giving his opinion not really reporting an insider rumour
Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:07 a.m.
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Quoting: coga16
Dubois also said people blow his agents comments out of proportion and he didn’t ask out of Winnipeg.

Kypreos said he thinks a lot in the clip. He’s giving his opinion not really reporting an insider rumour


Not asking out and wanting to play somewhere else arent mutually exclusive.

There has been more than enough smoke to put two and two together that he wants to be a hab. Too many "coincidences" to be just be random
Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
Not asking out and wanting to play somewhere else arent mutually exclusive.

There has been more than enough smoke to put two and two together that he wants to be a hab. Too many "coincidences" to be just be random


Also Kypreos does say "there is nothing that can change his mind from what I am hearing" right at the beginning of the segment, yes he does say "I think a few times as well but right off the top He says from what I am hearing. Kyper is a pretty good and credible insider, I am not saying he is right just that he could be.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:13 a.m.
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Edited Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:21 a.m.
Quoting: Black61
Not asking out and wanting to play somewhere else arent mutually exclusive.

There has been more than enough smoke to put two and two together that he wants to be a hab. Too many "coincidences" to be just be random


He said people took all his agents comments and blew them out of proportions which includes the can he see him playing in Montreal one

If this was some sort of worse kept secret in hockey why wouldn’t Winnipeg just pull the bandage off and move him

It’s a lot of projection and wishful thinking and not a Done deal he’s going to play in Montreal. Could he end up playing there...of course, but this lock of him doing so now bc of a wild fire of a narrative surrounding him based on his agents comments, not even his own is a little too early to make these claims
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:15 a.m.
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Edited Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:22 a.m.
Quoting: Campabee
Also Kypreos does say "there is nothing that can change his mind from what I am hearing" right at the beginning of the segment, yes he does say "I think a few times as well but right off the top He says from what I am hearing. Kyper is a pretty good and credible insider, I am not saying he is right just that he could be.


And media guys also get bad information, or they are getting fed information to promote a story line. You have to realize insiders are not telling fans stuff bc they want people to be informed, they are making money off of story lines driving traffic and clicks to their segments. Take it with a grain of salt. Kypreos is not an insider, hes an tv personality for entertainment
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 12:54 a.m.
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laugh laugh Yeah the same Nick Kypreos who said that Zach Werenski was heading home to Detroit. Yeah sorry but anything he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:13 a.m.
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laugh laugh Yeah the same Nick Kypreos who said that Zach Werenski was heading home to Detroit. Yeah sorry but anything he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Kypreos was right about Weber injury, and about Trotz not coming back to Washington even if they won the cup, which they did.

He said he believes it's the same with Dubois, not signing with Winnipeg even if they won the cup.

He can be wrong like everybody, but he's actually one of the insiders not saying 100% BS all the time.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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Just my opinion, but there is Zero chance that PLD signs a 1 year deal at the end of this season. Injuries happen and having established a career high he should be looking at a 6-8 year deal. No way his agent let's him play 2 1-year deals in a row.

If the Habs want him it's this off-season or not at all. They have the assets to acquire him, but that rhetoric most Habs fans are spewing about how we're gonna get him for free is based on an insane scenario that will never come to pass.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
Not asking out and wanting to play somewhere else arent mutually exclusive.

There has been more than enough smoke to put two and two together that he wants to be a hab. Too many "coincidences" to be just be random


Wanting to be a Hab and willing to risk losing 20-40 million dollars to be a Habs are 2 seperate things. He could want whatever but there is no chance he does not sign a big multi-year deal this offseason, be it with the Habs or some other organization. If the Habs want him they will need to pay the price to acquire his Wright's and the price to acquire his services.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.
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Wanting to be a Hab and willing to risk losing 20-40 million dollars to be a Habs are 2 seperate things. He could want whatever but there is no chance he does not sign a big multi-year deal this offseason, be it with the Habs or some other organization. If the Habs want him they will need to pay the price to acquire his Wright's and the price to acquire his services.


I don't think the cost to acquire his rights will be more than what the Wild got for Fiala's rights (2022 1st 19th OVA and Brock Faber) now given Dubois is a center and he is having a career year I could see something more along the lines of 2024 1st + Barron or Mailloux + 2nd after the 2023 draft.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:22 a.m.
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I don't think the cost to acquire his rights will be more than what the Wild got for Fiala's rights (2022 1st 19th OVA and Brock Faber) now given Dubois is a center and he is having a career year I could see something more along the lines of 2024 1st + Barron or Mailloux + 2nd after the 2023 draft.


I agree there are comparables like Fiala. This was mostly a comment about the fact that the Habs are NOT getting him for free in 2024
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:37 a.m.
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I agree there are comparables like Fiala. This was mostly a comment about the fact that the Habs are NOT getting him for free in 2024


Yeah, I am not so sure he signs a multi year deal. I know it is potentially leaving money on the table (1-3 mil) but he is not happy in Winnipeg and like Tavares everyone is saying he wants to go home. The one thing I can't see happening is the Jets not qualifying him and allowing him to hit FA this year. I could however see PLD holding out until the Dec 1st deadline in hopes that a trade can be worked out and it not sitting out a year if he had to, that being said I think that it is like a 0.01% chance he elects to sit out.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:40 a.m.
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Wanting to be a Hab and willing to risk losing 20-40 million dollars to be a Habs are 2 seperate things. He could want whatever but there is no chance he does not sign a big multi-year deal this offseason, be it with the Habs or some other organization. If the Habs want him they will need to pay the price to acquire his Wright's and the price to acquire his services.


I don't see how signing only a 1 year deal is leaving 20-40 mil on the table, more like 1-3 mil cause he will sign his multi year deal after next year for around what he is expected to this year. Pushing it back 1 year is not going to mean he won't get a multi year deal next year.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:44 a.m.
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I don't see how signing only a 1 year deal is leaving 20-40 mil on the table, more like 1-3 mil cause he will sign his multi year deal after next year for around what he is expected to this year. Pushing it back 1 year is not going to mean he won't get a multi year deal next year.


It's the risk of significant injury. What if he has a knee or back injury, or worse, a major concussion? He risks getting labelled as "damaged goods".
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:46 a.m.
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Wanting to be a Hab and willing to risk losing 20-40 million dollars to be a Habs are 2 seperate things. He could want whatever but there is no chance he does not sign a big multi-year deal this offseason, be it with the Habs or some other organization. If the Habs want him they will need to pay the price to acquire his Wright's and the price to acquire his services.


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Wanting to be a Hab and willing to risk losing 20-40 million dollars to be a Habs are 2 seperate things. He could want whatever but there is no chance he does not sign a big multi-year deal this offseason, be it with the Habs or some other organization. If the Habs want him they will need to pay the price to acquire his Wright's and the price to acquire his services.


You might want to check you math there. His QO is 6 million. The comparable YOU gave is Fiala who got 7.875 million long term. Even if he gets more than that he would be giving up at most 3ish million dollars over a career earnings of more than 80 million dollars. 1 year to free agency and a 7 year deal then is the same term as a 8 year deal this offseason.

And you are also blatantly ignoring that the 2024 offseason is when the cap jump happens. The likelyhood of getting a bigger aav deal when the market is flush with cap is way higher then than this offseason.

The logic of him not being willing to wait another year to sign a long term deal when he literally did that this offseason lacks merit.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
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It's the risk of significant injury. What if he has a knee or back injury, or worse, a major concussion? He risks getting labelled as "damaged goods".


And the habs could trade for him and he gets hit by a car on his way to the airport which means they would have traded for damaged goods.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:58 a.m.
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It's the risk of significant injury. What if he has a knee or back injury, or worse, a major concussion? He risks getting labelled as "damaged goods".


That is such a small risk that it won't affect his decision much and I can't see his agent being that concerned either
Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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You might want to check you math there. His QO is 6 million. The comparable YOU gave is Fiala who got 7.875 million long term. Even if he gets more than that he would be giving up at most 3ish million dollars over a career earnings of more than 80 million dollars. 1 year to free agency and a 7 year deal then is the same term as a 8 year deal this offseason.

And you are also blatantly ignoring that the 2024 offseason is when the cap jump happens. The likelyhood of getting a bigger aav deal when the market is flush with cap is way higher then than this offseason.

The logic of him not being willing to wait another year to sign a long term deal when he literally did that this offseason lacks merit.


Let's see if we can find some common ground, yeah?

If he agreed to sign in Winnipeg the absolute lowest amount he signs for is 8 x 8, agreed? So 64 million. Let's say he signs for 1 year at 6M again next offseason in order to open himself up to a signing by the Habs in 2024. Here are the possible scenarios that can happen:

1) He plays the entire season replicating/beating his career best production and signs in Montreal or elsewhere on a 7 year deal at fair market value

2) He plays the entire season but his production drops 20 points back to his 2021 totals. Now he's a UFA as a 0.75 PPG center and he gets closer to second line money by Montreal or other

3) He plays part of the season and has a season ending injury keeping him out for months and possibly requiring surgery (Just like Guhle, Slafkovsky, Caufield this season). Now he needs a new contract but he's maybe getting 1-3 years because no GM wants to lose his job signing a guy he's not sure about and it's a lot worse than Caufield because he's at least signing with the same team who was able to do all the medical evaluations before and after the surgery. So in this scenario he maybe gets 3 x 7 and probably not in Montreal anyway.

4) He has a career-ending injury. Achilles tendon, Concussion, major back or hip issue, neck/spine, eye issue. Now he can basically begin interviewing at the News networks and hopefully get a job at BPM before it implodes.

So as it turns out, you are right. I DO need to check my Math! 64 Million - 6 Million: He's betting 58 Million on the fact that he stays healthy just so he can get low-balled by the Habs. Makes perfect sense for the most respected agent in the NHL to let him do that for the 2nd consecutive season!
Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.
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That is such a small risk that it won't affect his decision much and I can't see his agent being that concerned either


The risk is major and you do yourself, PLD, his agent, and all Habs fans who disagree with you on this site a dis-service by suggesting otherwise. This is life-changing once in a lifetime money and if he really risks it to come play for the Habs it will be the biggest risk anyone ever took to play for the Canadiens.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.
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The risk is major and you do yourself, PLD, his agent, and all Habs fans who disagree with you on this site a dis-service by suggesting otherwise. This is life-changing once in a lifetime money and if he really risks it to come play for the Habs it will be the biggest risk anyone ever took to play for the Canadiens.


Then why didnt he do it last offseason and risk this season. That line of thinking is dubious at best
Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
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Then why didnt he do it last offseason and risk this season. That line of thinking is dubious at best


Maybe he was betting on himself to get more money. He also had 2 years left, he was not in his final RFA season.

He already did what almost no players have done in the past 10 years once. He's not gonna do it again. The risk is too high.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.
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Let's see if we can find some common ground, yeah?

If he agreed to sign in Winnipeg the absolute lowest amount he signs for is 8 x 8, agreed? So 64 million. Let's say he signs for 1 year at 6M again next offseason in order to open himself up to a signing by the Habs in 2024. Here are the possible scenarios that can happen:

1) He plays the entire season replicating/beating his career best production and signs in Montreal or elsewhere on a 7 year deal at fair market value

2) He plays the entire season but his production drops 20 points back to his 2021 totals. Now he's a UFA as a 0.75 PPG center and he gets closer to second line money by Montreal or other

3) He plays part of the season and has a season ending injury keeping him out for months and possibly requiring surgery (Just like Guhle, Slafkovsky, Caufield this season). Now he needs a new contract but he's maybe getting 1-3 years because no GM wants to lose his job signing a guy he's not sure about and it's a lot worse than Caufield because he's at least signing with the same team who was able to do all the medical evaluations before and after the surgery. So in this scenario he maybe gets 3 x 7 and probably not in Montreal anyway.

4) He has a career-ending injury. Achilles tendon, Concussion, major back or hip issue, neck/spine, eye issue. Now he can basically begin interviewing at the News networks and hopefully get a job at BPM before it implodes.

So as it turns out, you are right. I DO need to check my Math! 64 Million - 6 Million: He's betting 58 Million on the fact that he stays healthy just so he can get low-balled by the Habs. Makes perfect sense for the most respected agent in the NHL to let him do that for the 2nd consecutive season!


1) he would get way more than 8 million

2) he would still get 8 million easily. Cap will be jumping and thats what a fringe 1st liner at his age on the ufa market would get.

3. He has 0 injury history so even a season long injury wont be a deterrent.

4. This point is just stupid because you literally can flip it to why should the habs mortgage the future for him to potentially have a career ending injury game 1 next season. It COULD happen.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
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Maybe he was betting on himself to get more money. He also had 2 years left, he was not in his final RFA season.

He already did what almost no players have done in the past 10 years once. He's not gonna do it again. The risk is too high.


You must be Pat Brisson's burner account because you are very confident despite no evidence supporting this and by NHL standards a boatload of evidence against it.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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You must be Pat Brisson's burner account because you are very confident despite no evidence supporting this and by NHL standards a boatload of evidence against it.


Oh man. My life would be so sweet. I wish I was sir!
 
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