My Meier package take it or leave it

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Created by: Skyraider112

Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 25, 2023

Published: Jan. 25, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Would Meier make us better both now and in the future? Undeniably so. However, his large QO is a cause for caution. Personally I would not pull the trigger on a trade unless terms were agreed to with Meier beforehand as to an extension in the 6-7 years and 8-8.5 mil range. Sure the Sabres have the cap space now to hand out more money and term too. However, we need to be wise and continue to be prudent with cap management as we do not want to lose any of our young players due to being too generous with salaries. Forward is not our position of need, however Meier is a legit top line forward that would give us even greater scoring depth and add some much needed edge and physicality.

Here is my offer for Timo, you are all more than welcome to provide input. Any greater price on either the trade value or contract dollars and I would have to say "not worth it" for the future of the Sabres.

Trades

BUF

Meier, Timo

SJS

Mittelstadt, Casey
Östlund, Noah
Portillo, Erik [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (BUF)
2023 2nd round pick (PHI)

Additional Details:

2023 1st is top 5 protected. 2nd round pick is the best of the 3 (which looks to be Philly's).

Grade A prospect in Ostlund
Mitts is a middle six forward, can play center but is better at wing imo. He's signed cheap and will still be RFA.
Portillo could be a good addition to the SJS pipeline, I could swap for Johnson instead but then I'd downgrade the 2nd to be Vegas' pick (as Johnson returns a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign)

BUF

Murphy, Connor

CHI

Hinostroza, Vinnie ($800,000 retained)
Poltapov, Prokhor [Reserve List]
2024 2nd round pick (BUF)

Additional Details:

Vinnie retained so that Chicago could retain further and flip him to get max value. Poltapov is a B prospect, playing against men in the KHL.

If this isn't enough for Chicago, then I'd simply roll with the D we have or try and get a cheaper option

Buyouts

Cody Hodgson: $791,667
Christian Ehrhoff: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Vinnie Hinostroza: $800,000 (47.06%)

Buried

Anders Bjork: $475,000 ($1,600,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$65,801,667	$0	$3,620,000	$16,698,333

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Skinner, Jeff $9,000,000$9,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 5	Thompson, Tage $1,400,000$1,400,000 C UFA - 1	Tuch, Alex $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Meier, Timo $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Cozens, Dylan $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) C, LW UFA - 1	Quinn, Jack $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 3
Peterka, John-Jason $855,833$855,833 ($82,500$82K) LW, RW RFA - 3	Jost, Tyson $2,000,000$2,000,000 C UFA - 1	Olofsson, Victor $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Girgensons, Zemgus $2,200,000$2,200,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Krebs, Peyton $863,333$863,333 ($412,500$412K) C, LW RFA - 2
		Okposo, Kyle $6,000,000$6,000,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Samuelsson, Mattias $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Dahlin, Rasmus $6,000,000$6,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka $837,500$837,500 G RFA - 2
Power, Owen $916,667$916,667 ($925,000$925K) LD/RD UFA - 2	Murphy, Connor $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Anderson, Craig $1,500,000$1,500,000 ($500,000$500K) G UFA - 1
Jokiharju, Henri $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD RFA - 2	Lyubushkin, Ilya $687,500$687,500 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Bryson, Jacob $1,850,000$1,850,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Bishop, Ben $4,916,667$4,916,667 G M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Asplund, Rasmus $825,000$825,000 LW, C RFA - 1
Comrie, Eric $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 2

Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:00 p.m.

SlickWilly

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Yeah, I think Connor Murphy is just worth more to us than he will be to another team, and retaining for 3 years isnt realistic, so we will probably just end up keeping him and are better off trading McCabe

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.

Skyraider112

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Quoting: SlickWilly

There is no retention on Murphy... I retained on Hinostroza so that Chicago can flip him for more value

Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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I think it would be a solid offer. But Ostlund may not be as enticing as he had been at start of season. And Portillo is a candidate to become NCAA free agent.

Maybe add Savoie in place of those two?

Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:06 p.m.

SlickWilly

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Quoting: Skyraider112

There is no retention on Murphy... I retained on Hinostroza so that Chicago can flip him for more value

No I know, Im saying he won't get a return we would be happy with unless we retain on him, which probably won't happen

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.

NotDougWilson

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The 1st and 2nd round picks are what's important in this trade for Meier. Ostlund is going to be a decent top 6 player in the near future. He already has a relationship with Eklund as well. Portillo is kind of a funny case since we already have another Michigan goaltender with Strauss Mann. I guess the more the merrier

If I'm the sharks, I would accept.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.

Hawksguy81

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I think if the pick in the Murphy trade was the Buffalo '23 instead of the '24, the Hawks would consider this. Really depends on what Davidson thinks of Poltapov as a prospect.

And that's a really strong offer for Meier. Sharks would have to take that I'd think

Jan. 25, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.

Skyraider112

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Quoting: SlickWilly

No I know, Im saying he won't get a return we would be happy with unless we retain on him, which probably won't happen

I understand now, thanks for clarifying. Not sure McCabe would want to return to Buffalo. I'm unsure about how the relationship between him and the organization ended when he left. We also need a RHD with term, which Murphy fits into. But I understand your points.

Quoting: NotDougWilson

If I'm the sharks, I would accept.

Thanks for the input man. The trade doesn't cost anything that hurts too much for the Sabres and their build, but the Sharks get some real quality pieces to help them along their path of rebuilding. Its a win-win as I see it.

Quoting: Hawksguy81

Yes I think the trade value depends on how Poltapov is seen. When he was drafted there was hopes of a middle-6 goal scorer who plays with grit. Hard to gauge his development as a causal observer of his stats in the KHL. However, I would be willing to part with any similar wing prospect (Cederqvist, Kisakov etc.).

Thanks for your input!

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