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Yzerman Paid 6M and a 3rd to find out what the Canes knew

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Initial Creation Date: Jan. 25, 2023
Published: Jan. 25, 2023
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Remember when he chirped he didnt know why the Canes would have made the Ned trade for a 3rd?


And why Chiarot?
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  1. Voit, Ty
  2. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
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  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler ($2,350,000 retained)
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  1. Johnson, Erik
  2. 2025 2nd round pick (COL)
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  1. Sundqvist, Oskar ($1,350,000 retained)
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  1. Raanta, Antti
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (CAR)
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.
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Yzerman just isn't all that great of a GM.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:16 p.m.
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Raph lavoie on the nhl top 9 is never happening in his career
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Yzerman just isn't all that great of a GM.


Right he only took Tampa to 2 cup wins and one other cup final, But you're right he's not a great GM shakes head
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:21 p.m.
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Pretty sure the Canes accept that. Also pretty sure that the Canes will try to land Larkin at the deadline if they are able.

But yeah, Ned was definitely one of Yzerman’s mistakes. That being said, he is at least a good GM for not giving up more than he did for Ned, since a better return could have been argued with Ned being a Calder finalist that year.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:21 p.m.
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Yzerman has no interest in a 5'9" smallish winger in Voit.

Erik Johnson is a pending UFA. and the 2025 2nd which is 3 drafts away for Sunny isn't happening.

Erne and Maatta for a bunch of meh players and a late 2nd, Pretty sure Yzerman can do better.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Right he only took Tampa to 2 cup wins and one other cup final, But you're right he's not a great GM shakes head


He didn't actually take Tampa to any of these. He left before any of it.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:24 p.m.
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He didn't actually take Tampa to any of these. He left before any of it.


He put the pieces in place, That led Tampa in winning 2 cups and another cup final. Pretty sure without Yzerman being GM in Tampa they don't win back to back cups.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:24 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
He put the pieces in place, That led Tampa in winning 2 cups and another cup final. Pretty sure without Yzerman being GM in Tampa they don't win back to back cups.


It just says something that they couldn't get it done until he left.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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So love yzerman but he's not infallible. Ned was a miss, this year's been a disaster not that it's all Yzermans fault but he's the man in charge. I think these trades are fair I could see us doing any of them.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Right he only took Tampa to 2 cup wins and one other cup final, But you're right he's not a great GM shakes head


I think his scouts he had in Tampa did the heavy lifting. He gets all the credit for other people's work. Like when Chiarelli got credit for Boston's win. Or Stan Bowman for the team Tallon built.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
I think his scouts he had in Tampa did the heavy lifting. He gets all the credit for other people's work. Like when Chiarelli got credit for Boston's win. Or Stan Bowman for the team Tallon built.


Sure Yzerman had one of the best scouting staffs in the NHL, But it still comes down to him to make the final decisions. So he still is going to get credited with building a world class organization in Tampa. And he already had some pieces in place with Stamkos and Hedman before he got there. Unlike in Detroit where Holland left him with a brutal mess.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:44 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
I think his scouts he had in Tampa did the heavy lifting. He gets all the credit for other people's work. Like when Chiarelli got credit for Boston's win. Or Stan Bowman for the team Tallon built.


TOR also messed up his bluff to Stammer who took less money

Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Right he only took Tampa to 2 cup wins and one other cup final, But you're right he's not a great GM shakes head


Stammer/Hedman were 1/2 overalls while Yzerman drafted Drouin 3, Connelly 6 and Slater Koek 10. TB missed playoffs and had awful years while he was there.

Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Yzerman has no interest in a 5'9" smallish winger in Voit.

Erik Johnson is a pending UFA. and the 2025 2nd which is 3 drafts away for Sunny isn't happening.

Erne and Maatta for a bunch of meh players and a late 2nd, Pretty sure Yzerman can do better.


EJ is for COL cap, and Sunny has bottom 6 production and doesn't win FO's, what do you think he's worth??
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: OldBoisClubSandwich
TOR also messed up his bluff to Stammer who took less money



Stammer/Hedman were 1/2 overalls while Yzerman drafted Drouin 3, Connelly 6 and Slater Koek 10. TB missed playoffs and had awful years while he was there.



EJ is for COL cap, and Sunny has bottom 6 production and doesn't win FO's, what do you think he's worth??


Bottom line we're not moving Sunny for a pending UFA who probably doesn't waive for Detroit anyways. And a 2nd round pick that's 3 drafts away we wants picks for 2023 not beyond.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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Oh I remember. "You'll have to ask them why they are comfortable doing this". I don't think they were, actually. Mgmt's hand was forced. They were not going to qualify Ned and drag the negotiations out, and so he would have been a UFA within a week. The fact that it only took a 3rd told me other GM's had the same hesitation as the Canes.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 6:05 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Sure Yzerman had one of the best scouting staffs in the NHL, But it still comes down to him to make the final decisions. So he still is going to get credited with building a world class organization in Tampa. And he already had some pieces in place with Stamkos and Hedman before he got there. Unlike in Detroit where Holland left him with a brutal mess.


He also left Tampa with some bad contracts that where not easy to move. Johnson, Killorn, McDonagh to name a few. They worked out in the end but made things more difficult down the road. His cap management wasn't the best. I think it's a classic, he took over at the right time and gets the glory and that can go to a guys head. I am not a fan of his last off season. Chiarot, Copp and Perron signings, they don't make sense for where the team is at. Having one more bad year would get you further ahead than tying up big cap on guys who aren't going to be part of your core that leads the team to being contenders. If the wings were in the bottom 10 in the league with a real chance at Bedard would be so much better for the franchise. It's clear the wings are not that close to being a contender and patience would do Detroit better.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 6:16 p.m.
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Quoting: evelutions2
Pretty sure the Canes accept that. Also pretty sure that the Canes will try to land Larkin at the deadline if they are able.

But yeah, Ned was definitely one of Yzerman’s mistakes. That being said, he is at least a good GM for not giving up more than he did for Ned, since a better return could have been argued with Ned being a Calder finalist that year.


Quoting: InRodWeTrust
Oh I remember. "You'll have to ask them why they are comfortable doing this". I don't think they were, actually. Mgmt's hand was forced. They were not going to qualify Ned and drag the negotiations out, and so he would have been a UFA within a week. The fact that it only took a 3rd told me other GM's had the same hesitation as the Canes.


amazing the difference of perspective on the same 1 move

what shocked me was how bad Ned was in the playoffs and Yzermann must have seen his sv% and thought that's 2x3 + 3rd worthy.

Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Bottom line we're not moving Sunny for a pending UFA who probably doesn't waive for Detroit anyways. And a 2nd round pick that's 3 drafts away we wants picks for 2023 not beyond.


so no answer on his value? Det doesn't even have many picks stocked up. Kenny ruined the team like 6 years ago...
Jan. 25, 2023 at 6:24 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Yzerman just isn't all that great of a GM.


Correction Yzweman isn't doing any of that.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 6:26 p.m.
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Correction Yzweman isn't doing any of that.


y?
Jan. 25, 2023 at 6:26 p.m.
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EJ isn’t waiving and Sundqvist isn’t worth that.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 6:32 p.m.
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ned was worth the risk at the time. he hasn’t really panned out but it’s not like it’s totally messed up the window or anything. very low risk, high reward and it just didn’t end up working this year. the chiarot situation is way more confusing to me, dude makes seider way worse.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:18 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Yzerman has no interest in a 5'9" smallish winger in Voit.

Erik Johnson is a pending UFA. and the 2025 2nd which is 3 drafts away for Sunny isn't happening.

Erne and Maatta for a bunch of meh players and a late 2nd, Pretty sure Yzerman can do better.


Quoting: Byrr
He didn't actually take Tampa to any of these. He left before any of it.


Quoting: Jfstompers
So love yzerman but he's not infallible. Ned was a miss, this year's been a disaster not that it's all Yzermans fault but he's the man in charge. I think these trades are fair I could see us doing any of them.


Quoting: RipNasty
I think his scouts he had in Tampa did the heavy lifting. He gets all the credit for other people's work. Like when Chiarelli got credit for Boston's win. Or Stan Bowman for the team Tallon built.


Quoting: OldBoisClubSandwich
TOR also messed up his bluff to Stammer who took less money



Stammer/Hedman were 1/2 overalls while Yzerman drafted Drouin 3, Connelly 6 and Slater Koek 10. TB missed playoffs and had awful years while he was there.



EJ is for COL cap, and Sunny has bottom 6 production and doesn't win FO's, what do you think he's worth??


Quoting: InRodWeTrust
Oh I remember. "You'll have to ask them why they are comfortable doing this". I don't think they were, actually. Mgmt's hand was forced. They were not going to qualify Ned and drag the negotiations out, and so he would have been a UFA within a week. The fact that it only took a 3rd told me other GM's had the same hesitation as the Canes.


Quoting: aedoran
Correction Yzweman isn't doing any of that.


Quoting: bagelbob
ned was worth the risk at the time. he hasn’t really panned out but it’s not like it’s totally messed up the window or anything. very low risk, high reward and it just didn’t end up working this year. the chiarot situation is way more confusing to me, dude makes seider way worse.


Quoting: bagelbob
ned was worth the risk at the time. he hasn’t really panned out but it’s not like it’s totally messed up the window or anything. very low risk, high reward and it just didn’t end up working this year. the chiarot situation is way more confusing to me, dude makes seider way worse.


Ned was a great pick up, he played well last year, this year has been tough but that's goalies sometimes. The Chiarot signing was the biggest question mark.

Didn't mean to quote all these for this response.
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Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Ned was a great pick up, he played well last year, this year has been tough but that's goalies sometimes. The Chiarot signing was the biggest question mark.

Didn't mean to quote all these for this response.


Ned was a good try, it didn't really work but you have to try. It's not all gonna work.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Ned was a good try, it didn't really work but you have to try. It's not all gonna work.


Yeah. If you need a goalie, you need a goalie and you take the best opportunity available at the time. Sometimes that means taking a chance. A mid round pick is a small risk with potential for high reward.
Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Ned was a good try, it didn't really work but you have to try. It's not all gonna work.


I would say he worked out really well last season, they were in more games than that should have been thanks to him in my opinion.
 
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