Timo trades that actually fit SJ needs

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Created by: glarson17

Team: 2022-23 San Jose Sharks

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 25, 2023

Published: Jan. 25, 2023

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These are trades that I would like for Timo should he be moved. Timo is a high end asset with team control. Don’t care about your “but his qualifying offer” Bull. He’s worth it. Look up any player card and it shows.

He didn’t score a goal in his first 9 games this season. Since then he has been on a .70 goals per game pace or a 57 goal pace over 82 games since.

He is really good at hockey

Trades

SJS

Minten, Fraser
Niemelä, Topi
2023 1st round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

I don’t see Toronto being a realistic option for Timo, not sure they can afford him long term and sharks will try and maximize his return.

TOR

Meier

SJS

Jones, Zachary
Othmann, Brennan
2023 1st round pick (NYR)

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I don’t really see a trade that fits the sharks needs with the rangers that’s actually worth giving up Timo.

Maybe if a trade had Schneider or Chytil involved but I don’t see NYR moving either.

NYR

Meier

SJS

Johnson, Ryan [Reserve List]
Östlund, Noah
2023 1st round pick (BUF)

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Top 10 protected pick

Could be Savoie or Kulich as the prospect. Chose ostlund because he is the safest prospect of the three I think. Sharks are notoriously bad for developing players I chose the safe player.

Johnson is one of those players who may walk to ufa, would be useful for San Jose.

BUF

Meier

SJS

Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (CAR)
2024 3rd round pick (CAR)

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Has to be a high end player coming back, that 1st is likely very late.

Could be Nikishin; I’ve even seen Jarvis thrown out but I don’t see the canes giving him up and he doesn’t fit the sharks immediate needs.

CAR

Meier

SJS

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I see many agm showing sharangovich going back but I don’t see how they move a young player when in a buying state.

Could be so many different high end pieces coming back (Holtz, Nemec, Casey, Muk)

No miles wood is not a high end piece so don’t even start there. Neither is Bahl or Boqvist or Walsh

NJD

Meier
Reimer

SJS

Räty, Aatu
Salo, Robin
2023 1st round pick (NYI)

Additional Details:

I don’t think San Jose would be interested in Dufour. He’s an undersized winger which they already have a ton of. Center is what they need.

NYI

Meier

SJS

Heinola, Ville
McGroarty, Rutger [Reserve List]
2023 1st round pick (WPG)

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McGroarty seems like a Grier kind of guy. Tough, good leader, and of course plays ncaa hockey which he loves.

WPG

Meier

Buyouts

Martin Jones: $2,416,667
Rūdolfs Balcers: $8,334

Retained Salary Transactions

Brent Burns: $2,720,000 (34%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
34	$82,500,000	$86,181,669	$0	$1,545,000	-$3,681,669

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Meier, Timo $3,000,000$3,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Hertl, Tomas $6,750,000$6,750,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Labanc, Kevin $4,725,000$4,725,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Lindblom, Oskar $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Couture, Logan $8,000,000$8,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 5	Barabanov, Alexander $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Gregor, Noah $950,000$950,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Bonino, Nick $1,025,000$1,025,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Eyssimont, Michael $750,000$750,000 RW, C UFA - 1
Nieto, Matt $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Sturm, Nico $2,000,000$2,000,000 C UFA - 3	Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 3
Gadjovich, Jonah $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Lorentz, Steven $1,050,000$1,050,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2
Svechnikov, Evgeny $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Minten, Fraser $875,000$875,000 C, LW RFA - 4
Othmann, Brennan $894,167$894,167 LW RFA - 4	Östlund, Noah $950,000$950,000 C RFA - 4
	Räty, Aatu $836,667$836,667 ($82,500$82K) C RFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard $7,000,000$7,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Kähkönen, Kaapo $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 2
Ferraro, Mario $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD UFA - 4	Benning, Matthew $1,250,000$1,250,000 RD UFA - 4	Reimer, James $2,250,000$2,250,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Niemelä, Topi $856,667$856,667 RD RFA - 3		Blackwood, Mackenzie $2,800,000$2,800,000 G UFA - 1
Mukhamadullin, Shakir $894,167$894,167 ($400,000$400K) LD RFA - 3
Cicek, Nick $835,000$835,000 LD RFA - 2
Jones, Zachary $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 1
Salo, Robin $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2
Heinola, Ville $863,333$863,333 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 2
Megna, Jaycob $762,500$762,500 LD UFA - 2
Harrington, Scott $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Kunin, Luke $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, C RFA - 2	Nutivaara, Markus $1,500,000$1,500,000 ($250,000$250K) LD/RD UFA - 1
	Simek, Radim $2,250,000$2,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Knyzhov, Nikolai $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Jan. 25, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.

evelutions2

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Canes aren’t moving Morrow. Nikishin, maybe, but doubt he gets moved. With Nikishin’s ceiling, make it 2023 first, Nikishin, and someone like Suzuki for Meier half retained

Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:00 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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If I were Sharks, and they got these offers, I'd order them:

1. NJD: Blackwood, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st

2. WPG: Heinola, McGroarty, 1st
3. NYR: Jones, Othmann, 1st

4. TOR: Minten, Niemelä, 1st
5. CAR: Morrow, 1st, 3rd
6. BUF: Johnson, Östlund, 1st
7. NYI: Räty, Salo, 1st

But as Devils fan, I don't see it

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Sharks are not Notoriously bad at developing players! we've actually done fairly well, except D drafted int he 1st 2 rounds lol
and how is Dufour small? he's 6'2" 195! I know he isnt a highly touted prospect but if you watch him he plays a solid game and has upside.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.

eazy_duz_it

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I think all are good for each team except the toronto one, minten and niemala are quite good hockey players but I view mcgroarty, ostlund, raty, morrow, othmann, and holtz a much higher tier than them

Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.

glarson17

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Quoting: evelutions2

Canes aren’t moving Morrow. Nikishin, maybe, but doubt he gets moved. With Nikishin’s ceiling, make it 2023 first, Nikishin, and someone like Suzuki for Meier half retained

Well that’s just it, if the best prospects the canes have aren’t up for being moved, with how late that pick is I don’t see them winning a trade for Meier. I don’t even know if they are interested in him, these are just the teams I see on here most often.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:21 p.m.

glarson17

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I think the Jones, Othman one is too high on the list honestly. But I do see the devils trade being rich. Both the devils and rangers are supposedly interested in Meier and I wonder if they end up trying to outbid each other.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:22 p.m.

Smitty426

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Edited Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:45 p.m.

Quoting: NHLfan10506

I'm trying to understand the OP with some of these values. I'll use the team I follow NJ and the NYRs since probably know them due to distance from NJ

NJD: Blackwood, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st
NYR: Jones, Othmann, 1st

The 1sts cancel out, Holtz cancels out Othmam, Blackwood > Jones
Why the throw in of Muk?

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.

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Here are Corey Pronman's rankings for the best U23 players (includes NHLers)

68. Shakir Mukhamadullin (NJD)
72. Alexander Holtz (NJD)

85. Rutger McGroarty (WPG)
96. Aatu Raty (NYI)
116. Scott Morrow (CAR)
135. Brennan Othmann (NYR)
141. Noah Ostlund (BUF)
142. Topi Niemela (TOR)

Not listed
Ryan Johnson (BUF)
Robin Salo (NYI)
Zachary Jones (NYR)
Fraser Minten (TOR)
Ville Heinola (WPG)

(someone's getting overcharged here)

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: glarson17

I think the NJD deal is too much.
The NYR and WPG deals are probably close.
And each of the bottom-4 are worth asking for more.

Just spit-balling counters...

TOR: Knies, 1st
CAR: Blake, Morrow, 1st
BUF: Mittelstadt, Savoie, 1st
NYI: (they just don't have the assets)

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:46 p.m.

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Quoting: Smitty426

I'm trying to understand the OP with some of these values. I'll use the team I follow NJ abd the NYRs since probably know them due to dustsbce from NJ

NJD: Blackwood, Holtz, Mukhamadullin, 1st
NYR: Jones, Othmann, 1st

The 1sts cancel out, Holtz cancels out Othmam, Blackwood > Jones
Why the throw in of Muk?

There is one thing every is leaving out of these Meier synopses. Since everyone will want to extend him, and San Jose will want the higher return of trading him with term, the biggest variable in determining his value are Meier’s wishes for his next deal. Where does he want to play? How big of contract? Money? Location? Cups?

For instance, if he says, “I will sign in Winnipeg for $5m but in New York for $10m”…the bids will be very different.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 8:53 p.m.

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Smitty426

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Ya think?
But what does Pronman know?

Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:30 p.m.

#12

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Quoting: Smitty426

Ya think?
But what does Pronman know?

He gets his lists from talking to scouts, as opposed to being a writer who tries to pretend he is a scout (Wheeler). But really just one input and his is the most recent list of prospects.

I don’t think others would show that much of a difference. Maybe Othmann and Morrow higher.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.

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Add Nikishin as 22nd and Jarvis as 24th on that list.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:33 p.m.

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Quoting: evelutions2

Canes aren’t moving Morrow. Nikishin, maybe, but doubt he gets moved. With Nikishin’s ceiling, make it 2023 first, Nikishin, and someone like Suzuki for Meier half retained

Nikishin has more value. Odd claim here

Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I agree it's just those disagreeing with all those in the know challenged by armchair gms

Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Nikishin has more value. Odd claim here

Just send them both. Then you guys don’t have to worry about it.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.

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ecupirate07

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Just send them both. Then you guys don’t have to worry about it.

This sounds like a trap

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.

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For money purposes I’d actually think Chytil would be more likely to get moved than Othmann. But to put it into perspective the odds of either getting moved at the deadline are about 1 in 100.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Quoting: Smitty426

I agree it's just those disagreeing with all those in the know challenged by armchair gms

LOL, I really like Pronman's list.
Seven of the top 52 are Sabres as well as 3 of the top 10.
I truly hope he is under rating Johnson (not ranked), Savoie and Levi (151st).
Savoie make no sense to rank him at 81st

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: Above NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

BTW @glarson17 if that was all it took to get Meier, he would wearing Blue and Gold now, and I do not think it is time to move assets, but that would be too good to pass up.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 10:51 p.m.

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

LOL, I really like Pronman's list.
Seven of the top 52 are Sabres as well as 3 of the top 10.
I truly hope he is under rating Johnson (not ranked), Savoie and Levi (151st).
Savoie make no sense to rank him at 81st

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: Above NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

BTW glarson17 if that was all it took to get Meier, he would wearing Blue and Gold now, and I do not think it is time to move assets, but that would be too good to pass up.

I agree, if Buff were to get and extend Timo, I would do that trade, or be fine with it. Also, we keep Kulich and Savoie.

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.

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None of these look like our real needs. Taking more assets instead of the best assets is a bad plan, but maybe what Grier will do.

Jan. 26, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.

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glarson17

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Quoting: papishark

None of these look like our real needs. Taking more assets instead of the best assets is a bad plan, but maybe what Grier will do.

Where are we not taking the best assets? Any of these prospects are basically top 3 in the sharks system I feel they are added to the organization

Jan. 26, 2023 at 12:37 a.m.

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glarson17

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

LOL, I really like Pronman's list.
Seven of the top 52 are Sabres as well as 3 of the top 10.
I truly hope he is under rating Johnson (not ranked), Savoie and Levi (151st).
Savoie make no sense to rank him at 81st

Skating: Above NHL average
Puck skills: NHL average
Hockey sense: Above NHL average
Compete: Above NHL average
Shot: Above NHL average

BTW glarson17 if that was all it took to get Meier, he would wearing Blue and Gold now, and I do not think it is time to move assets, but that would be too good to pass up.

Buffalo has so many good pieces, same with New Jersey, and it really could be any of their prospects. But after the trades Grier has been making, I’m afraid for a Timo trade to be nothing but depth scraps and a 1st. I’d love peterka but I highly doubt they move him.

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 12:38 a.m.

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glarson17

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Quoting: Masonh618

For money purposes I’d actually think Chytil would be more likely to get moved than Othmann. But to put it into perspective the odds of either getting moved at the deadline are about 1 in 100.

Fair enough, that’s why I don’t really see a Timo trade between the two even though they have had rumblings recently. But I’ve also heard Philly thrown out which is odd so who knows.

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Jan. 26, 2023 at 1:03 a.m.

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Quoting: glarson17

Fair enough, that’s why I don’t really see a Timo trade between the two even though they have had rumblings recently. But I’ve also heard Philly thrown out which is odd so who knows.

Completely agree

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