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Created by: CapFriendlysFinest

Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 27, 2023

Published: Jan. 27, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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I think this is a deal that would benefit both teams.
Leaf fans will say its an overpay, Habs fans will say it isn't enough. In truth, I think it helps both teams.

Dovark clearly does not fit in the Habs system, he might get more mins now with all the injuries but the start of next year, he'll be playing the bottom pair again. He likely stays under 40 points again and makes too much to be that low. On the Leafs, you hope that Marner Dovark connection is still there from the OHL. He would be a perfect number two center will Matthew misses likely a month with this knee injury. After, you could try some lines like Dovark JT Maner which could make a splash. I just have a feeling it could be a good risk for the Leafs to take as Kerfoot doesn't fit on JT or Matthews line well.

Habs take a loss on the Dovark trade and try to recover. Kerfoot has the potential for 50 plus points and could be flipped again at the deadline. The player and pick coming back is not alot but it makes sense for the Habs to clear out the cap space and get picks because ... they can then take on more ugly contracts and more picks. Dovark, Kerfoot, Monahan could all be sold at the deadline to help the tank and rebuild.

Big risk for the Leafs if Dorvak doesn't pan out, 4.25 million for two years is a lot for a bottom six player. Big risk for Habs as Dovark could turn out to be that stud they originally traded for.

Lines after injury
Dovark Mattews Marner
Bunting JT Nylnader
Jarkork Kampf Engvall
or
Bunting Matthews Marner
Jarkork JT Nylander
Engvall Dvoark McMann

Trades

TOR

Dvorak, Christian

MTL

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$82,236,246	$212,500	$0	$263,754

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 3	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 2
Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 4	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 3
Bunting, Michael $950,000$950,000 LW UFA - 1	Kämpf, David $1,500,000$1,500,000 C UFA - 1	Engvall, Pierre $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Aston-Reese, Zach $840,630$840,630 LW, RW UFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus $827,500$827,500 C, LW RFA - 1	Simmonds, Wayne $900,000$900,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
McMann, Bobby $762,500$762,500 RW, LW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 2	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD UFA - 2	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 2	Samsonov, Ilya $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Timmins, Conor $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 2	Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 2
Anderson, Joey $750,000$750,000 RW RFA - 1		Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 2
Benn, Jordie $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Mete, Victor $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.

VladislavTretiak

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It will cost you much more to get Dvorak. If you think Kerfoot has value you are welcome to trade him to another team before acquiring Dvorak.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.

leafs101

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Please no, I don't care how little/big the price, he's a marginal upgrade at best over internal options and makes a difficult cap situation just that much more challenging over the next few years

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Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:04 p.m.

CapFriendlysFinest

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Quoting: VladislavTretiak

It will cost you much more to get Dvorak. If you think Kerfoot has value you are welcome to trade him to another team before acquiring Dvorak.

Will it though? He's 26 and has never had 40 points in a season making wayyyyy too much. Isn't sound defensively and not getting the mins on an awful Habs team. Kerfoot only moves due to cap and player back

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.

CapFriendlysFinest

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Quoting: leafs101

Please no, I don't care how little/big the price, he's a marginal upgrade at best over internal options and makes a difficult cap situation just that much more challenging over the next few years

I know, but just think of the 2015-2016 OHL season. That could be us! haha

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.

leafs101

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Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest

I know, but just think of the 2015-2016 OHL season. That could be us! haha

but it was the OHL like 7/8 years ago it's not a justifiable reason to screw your cap over for debatably zero upgrade

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.

JaredOfLondon

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if you dont like kerfoot at center, you're gonna hate dvorak at center

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Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.

habitantlecolon

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Counter : Minten, Toronto 2024 2nd and Kerfoot for Dvorak and une poutine !

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Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.

Burnout

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Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest

He's averaging 17 minutes a game for the Habs. That's around what Tavares averages for the Leafs. He's getting the minutes. He's also been far from the worst veteran on the team.

Montreal's also not trying to be better right now.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.

CapFriendlysFinest

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Quoting: habitantlecolon

Counter : Minten, Toronto 2024 2nd and Kerfoot for Dvorak and une poutine !

Sold only for the poutine! Extra gravy right??/

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Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.

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Quoting: leafs101

but it was the OHL like 7/8 years ago it's not a justifiable reason to screw your cap over for debatably zero upgrade

I know, this is clearly more of a post to gauge a discussion. It's a deal that likely never happens. Too much of a risk for the Leafs

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.

#11

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Quoting: Burnout

I don't really care if its an overpay or not, Montreal's not getting a single thing they would want.

Kerfoot has somehow been less productive 5v5 than Dvorak despite playing with much better players. Der-Arguchintsev is an undersized prospect and Montreal has a number of better regarded undersized prospects. a late 3rd is whatever.

He's averaging 17 minutes a game for the Habs. That's around what Tavares averages for the Leafs. He's getting the minutes. He's also been far from the worst veteran on the team.

Montreal's also not trying to be better right now.

Don't think this deal makes them better but I understand not wanting to move him either/for these pieces. Having him playing 17 mins a night is great and ultimately could be what gets him going again too.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.

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mondo

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that's not henrique

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.

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Quoting: Burnout

I don't really care if its an overpay or not, Montreal's not getting a single thing they would want.

Kerfoot has somehow been less productive 5v5 than Dvorak despite playing with much better players. Der-Arguchintsev is an undersized prospect and Montreal has a number of better regarded undersized prospects. a late 3rd is whatever.

He's averaging 17 minutes a game for the Habs. That's around what Tavares averages for the Leafs. He's getting the minutes. He's also been far from the worst veteran on the team.

Montreal's also not trying to be better right now.

They are getting cap though.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.

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Quoting: Burnout

Dvorak and Kerfoot have the exact same points/60 rate while Kerfoot gets much heavier defensive zone starts and defensive numbers. Not saying Montreal wants him or anything but he's not less productive given the roles of each player

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:39 p.m.

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Not trying to be a dick here but outside of the 2 prospects you don't want to move (Neimela and Minton), the Leafs pool is pretty shallow. The next best thing the Leafs have is their 1st round picks, Montreal would want 2 of those and a cap offset. Now I am not saying on his own Dvorak is worth that just that that would be what the deal would be centered around from the Leafs. I think something like

Dvorak + 3rd for the Leafs 2023 1st and Minton or Neimela + the Leafs 2024 or 2025 1st would be a fair deal.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.

#16

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Quoting: GMBL

They are getting cap though.

Why do we need cap?

Jan. 27, 2023 at 3:55 p.m.

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Quoting: Campabee

Why do we need cap?

Even rebuilding teams don't mind having cap flexibility. I'm not saying that's going to be enough for Hughes to dump Dvorak but if he does decide to do something and he doesn't end up trading Edmundson or Anderson or someone else with term. Bergervin paid up to acquire Dvorak, so Hughes will try to bring back value but doesn't mean it will happen or that he won't just cut the loss.

Toronto can't even trade their 3rd since Arizona has an option on it if I'm not mistaken.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.

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Quoting: GMBL

We have 5 MIl deadline cap, 11 Mil cap space for next season and 29 Mil the year after and all of that is without making a single move. We have cap flexibility we don't need to be "paying" to make unnecessary moves

Jan. 27, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.

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Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest

Sold only for the poutine! Extra gravy right??/

yop extra as you wish!

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Jan. 27, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.

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Edited Jan. 27, 2023 at 5:11 p.m.

Quoting: Campabee

Yeah, I'm not saying they need to do it, but if they want to make a move to improve next year or sign guys to flip or take on expiring bad contracts for payment instead of waiting to recuperate a 1st+ for Dvorak. 11m isn't much considering Caufield needs to get signed, they will probably have 4-5m in cap.

All I'm saying is Dvorak getting dumped for less than a 1st+ isn't farfetched (or the 2 1st+ that you seem to expect from a contender). Not that he would get dumped to the Leafs. I don't think they would be looking to acquire him unless they move on from Bunting next year.

Jan. 27, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.

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VladislavTretiak

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Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest

Why do you want him then???

Jan. 27, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.

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Quoting: GMBL

Montreal went into last offseason with almost 90 million in contracts and still ended up being able to get a 1st to eat Monahan's contract. When you don't care about making the playoffs, there's always ways to create cap space if you want to.

That 11 million also includes Price's LTIRetired contract, their effective cap space is closer to 21 mil.

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Jan. 27, 2023 at 6:45 p.m.

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Quoting: Burnout

Yeah, my point was that they could choose to "dump" Dvorak to make space for a move, not because they need. I did forget to take into consideration Price's contract though, so chances are that they aren't going to benefit from "dumping" Dvorak.

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